Smith & Wesson M&P15T? Opinons? Optics?
Have any of you used one? And would you care to post your experience with it, good or bad?
I recently picked up a clean one at a good price, and intend to keep it as a patrol/fun rifle. I know it is made by STAG, not Smith & Wesson. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but it has a good trigger for an AR.
What optical sight would you install, if any? Lots of people like the Eotech, but I am leaning toward the C-More.
I recently picked up a clean one at a good price, and intend to keep it as a patrol/fun rifle. I know it is made by STAG, not Smith & Wesson. I haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, but it has a good trigger for an AR.
What optical sight would you install, if any? Lots of people like the Eotech, but I am leaning toward the C-More.
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I think S&W products are the best bar none. I wish everyone would buy several new S&Ws per year.
Did I mention that I am a stockholder?0 -
David:
I bought one in September, and put a Bushnell Holosight XP (53-0021) on it. The height of the Bushnell allows for the flip-up iron sights to be used through the reticle if necessary.
I have put about 300 rounds through it to date, and have had no real problems.
Bushnell link.
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Man that is a sharp looking sight. I first saw the Holosight when it first came out in 1996 and it looked a lot like the current Eotech. I think L-3 bought or stole Bushnell's technology to produce their sight.
I have looked at some of the Eotech sights in use at the PD and am not impressed. The reticle was unclear and grainy looking.
All these reflex sights are just modern adaptations of some really old technology. Remember the Nydar? I believe it dates back to WWII, and looked a lot like the current C-More. Maybe that's why I lean toward the C-More. Anyhow, the Nydar used a mirror and relied on ambient light for the light source, so it would have been useless in the dark, but it was the same principle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I first saw the Holosight when it first came out in 1996 and it looked a lot like the current Eotech. I think L-3 bought or stole Bushnell's technology to produce their sight.It's actually EOTech's stuff being sold under the Bushnell name. Bushnell doesn't manufacture the HoloSight, they just market EOTech's sporting line for them while they handle the LE/military line themselves.
EOTech designed and manufactured the laser created holographic HUD systems for military aircraft back in the 70's. They eventually minituarized the components to the point where these systems could be mounted on small arms in the mid 90's, which is where Bushnell came into the picture. EOTech had experience in selling gear to the military but contracted with Bushnell to tap their established civilian market. They continued refining the design until it was ruggedized enough for U.S. military acceptance several years later, then also started selling them on the LE market under their own company name.
The bottom line is that a Bushnell HoloSight is just an earlier generation EOTech that has fewer available options and isn't built near as tough.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I first saw the Holosight when it first came out in 1996 and it looked a lot like the current Eotech. I think L-3 bought or stole Bushnell's technology to produce their sight.It's actually EOTech's stuff being sold under the Bushnell name. Bushnell doesn't manufacture the HoloSight, they just market EOTech's sporting line for them while they handle the LE/military line themselves.
EOTech designed and manufactured the laser created holographic HUD systems for military aircraft back in the 70's. They eventually minituarized the components to the point where these systems could be mounted on small arms in the mid 90's, which is where Bushnell came into the picture. EOTech had experience in selling gear to the military but contracted with Bushnell to tap their established civilian market. They continued refining the design until it was ruggedized enough for U.S. military acceptance several years later, then also started selling them on the LE market under their own company name.
The bottom line is that a Bushnell HoloSight is just an earlier generation EOTech that has fewer available options and isn't built near as tough.
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EOTech makes an awesome sight...the Bushnell sights are substandard in comparison. For close quarters combat, the EOTech is hard to beat...IMO.
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No comments about the C-More? 0 -
Ive shot them and they are smoothe shooting guns, as far as optics I would put a Red Dot scope on it and a Beamshot 1000s Laser on it, as well as a very good Surefire lite. Just make sure it doesnt interfere with your open sites. Mine has the scope on the carry handle a surefire light on the right Weaver Rail and the Laser on the left of the gun beside the Surefire light. Works great site aquisition is far much quicker. I put a set of grups from Bushmaster on mine yesterday and their a must, you would not believe how much better the bigger finger grips feel plus they have a latch to carry things inside. Safe Shooting!!!! 0 -
No laser and no light. If I want a flashlight, I will use a flashlight, and laser sights are gimmicks. 0 -
Did you ever check out who makes that Smith? 0 -
Stag makes it. 0 -
quote:It's actually EOTech's stuff being sold under the Bushnell name. Bushnell doesn't manufacture the HoloSight, they just market EOTech's sporting line for them while they handle the LE/military line themselves.
Others do it, too. MPH, for instance, makes a hand-held radar with a blue housing for sale through sporting outlets for clocking the speed of a baseball. It costs a couple hundred bucks. They make THE EXACT SAME RADAR, but in black housing, for sale to LE agencies for a traffic radar, and it is over a grand.
Same with sound-amplifying automatic shut-off ear protection. In red, they are about $60, but if you make them black or OD green and call them "tactical," they are three times that.
Knowing what I know, I would buy a Bushnell over an Eotech, but will still probably get a C-More. At least C-More only makes one line of stuff for everybody.0 -
Apparently there are significant differences in construction of the EOTech and Bushnell because it took another several years before they came up with one that was acceptable to their original target market. They built military targeting systems and didn't set out to design a hunting scope.
The Bushnell is a decent sight for sporting or playing around purposes, but isn't built to withstand being dragged around day in and day out like their LE/military models. I'm not clear on what HoloSights actually change hands for these days, but personally I'd rather pay a bit more and have the tougher built one as duty equipment.
I like the HUGE field of view on the EOTech, with both eyes open shooting being a snap. This large area also allows for either true co-witnessing of the iron sights with the dot or aligned in the lower portion of the scope if you don't like the clutter.
At first I also didn't like the slight graininess of the reticle you refer to, but it quickly becomes a non-issue.
EOTech has a 1 minute dot surrounded by a 65 minute ring, which gives both rapid close range acquisition and longer range precision. A friend of mine routinely trains with his shooting steel at 300 yds. The best C-More has to offer is a 2 minute dot, which is a bit large for my tastes. Beyond 100 yds. it becomes pretty rough.
I've heard complaints from users about the adjustments on the C-More. Supposedly they're a bear to get dialed in due to a lack of defined increments. Once sighted in, people dread ever having to remove these two piece units (electronic unit/sight unit) for cleaning/maintenance.
C-More battery replacement is also said to be pretty tedious. Note too that they only use the more expensive Lithium types. EOTech makes AA models that now have 600-700 hr. battery life. If battery cost isn't an issue they also make Lithium models which have an 1100 hr. life.
When the EOTech is powered up it conducts a remaining power test. It's brightness remains constant no matter what the battery level, but if during use it begins to run low it has a system to alert you well before it becomes too low for use. I've continued using one for hours with no discernible difference even after it says the battery level is low.
If you wish, the EOTech can also be viewed through a piggy-back mounted swing away scope with it's reticle still well defined. This is impossible with any of the standard type red dot scopes.0
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