Supreme court divided over lethal injection
This is the biggest load of BS. I say let them suffer when they die. Give them the lethal injection but make it a lethal dose of something bad. Their victims did not die with dignity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_lethal_injection
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court justices indicated Monday they are deeply divided over a challenge to the way most states execute prisoners by lethal injection, which critics say creates an avoidable risk of excruciating pain.
With executions in the United States halted since late September, the court heard arguments in a case from Kentucky that calls into question the mix of three drugs used in most executions.
Justice Antonin Scalia was among several conservatives on the court who suggested he would uphold Kentucky's method of execution and allow capital punishment to resume.
States have been careful to adopt procedures that do not seek to inflict pain and should not be barred from carrying out executions even if prison officials sometimes make mistakes in administering drugs, Scalia said. "There is no painless requirement" in the Constitution, Scalia said.
But other justices said they are troubled by the procedure in which three drugs are administered in succession to knock out, paralyze and kill prisoners. The argument against the three-drug protocol is that if the initial anesthetic does not take hold, a third drug that stops the heart can cause excruciating pain. The second drug, meanwhile, paralyzes the prisoner, rendering him unable to express his discomfort.
"I'm terribly troubled by the fact that the second drug seems to cause all risk of excruciating pain," Justice John Paul Stevens said.
Both sides in the case said they are bothered by the seemingly endless series of death penalty cases that come to the court.
Justice David Souter urged his colleagues to take the time necessary to issue a definitive decision about the three-drug method in this case, even if it means sending the case back to Kentucky for more study by courts there.
Scalia, however, said such a move would mean "a national cessation of executions. We're looking at years. We wouldn't want that to happen."
Kentucky, backed by the Bush administration, says it works hard to execute inmates humanely, countering claims that its procedure violates the 8th Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.
But Donald Verrilli, a Washington lawyer who is a veteran of capital cases, told the justices that problems with executions in California, North Carolina and other states show that the three-drug procedure should be scrapped or thoroughly revamped.
"The risk here is real. That is why it is unlawful to euthanize animals the way Kentucky executes inmates," Verrilli said. Kentucky bars the use of the paralytic on animals. An overdose of barbiturates is commonly used on animals.
Verrilli suggested a similar method be adopted in Kentucky.
But Roy Englert, arguing for the state, said a single drug has never been used in executions.
By contrast, he said, Kentucky regularly trains its execution team and employs an experienced worker to insert the intravenous lines through which the drugs are administered.
Recent executions in Florida and Ohio took much longer than usual, with strong indications that the prisoners suffered severe pain in the process. Workers had trouble inserting the IV lines that are used to deliver the drugs.
Lined up in front of the court waiting to attend the arguments, college students Jeremy Sperling and Gira Joshi said they oppose the death penalty, but regard making executions less painful and more humane as a worthy goal.
"You have the right to die with dignity," said Joshi, a political science and religion major at New Jersey's Rutgers University. Sperling, a psychology and religion major at New York University, said serving a life prison term is the appropriate alternative to the death penalty.
The case is Baze v. Rees, 07-5439.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080107/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_lethal_injection
WASHINGTON - Supreme Court justices indicated Monday they are deeply divided over a challenge to the way most states execute prisoners by lethal injection, which critics say creates an avoidable risk of excruciating pain.
With executions in the United States halted since late September, the court heard arguments in a case from Kentucky that calls into question the mix of three drugs used in most executions.
Justice Antonin Scalia was among several conservatives on the court who suggested he would uphold Kentucky's method of execution and allow capital punishment to resume.
States have been careful to adopt procedures that do not seek to inflict pain and should not be barred from carrying out executions even if prison officials sometimes make mistakes in administering drugs, Scalia said. "There is no painless requirement" in the Constitution, Scalia said.
But other justices said they are troubled by the procedure in which three drugs are administered in succession to knock out, paralyze and kill prisoners. The argument against the three-drug protocol is that if the initial anesthetic does not take hold, a third drug that stops the heart can cause excruciating pain. The second drug, meanwhile, paralyzes the prisoner, rendering him unable to express his discomfort.
"I'm terribly troubled by the fact that the second drug seems to cause all risk of excruciating pain," Justice John Paul Stevens said.
Both sides in the case said they are bothered by the seemingly endless series of death penalty cases that come to the court.
Justice David Souter urged his colleagues to take the time necessary to issue a definitive decision about the three-drug method in this case, even if it means sending the case back to Kentucky for more study by courts there.
Scalia, however, said such a move would mean "a national cessation of executions. We're looking at years. We wouldn't want that to happen."
Kentucky, backed by the Bush administration, says it works hard to execute inmates humanely, countering claims that its procedure violates the 8th Amendment ban on cruel and unusual punishment.
But Donald Verrilli, a Washington lawyer who is a veteran of capital cases, told the justices that problems with executions in California, North Carolina and other states show that the three-drug procedure should be scrapped or thoroughly revamped.
"The risk here is real. That is why it is unlawful to euthanize animals the way Kentucky executes inmates," Verrilli said. Kentucky bars the use of the paralytic on animals. An overdose of barbiturates is commonly used on animals.
Verrilli suggested a similar method be adopted in Kentucky.
But Roy Englert, arguing for the state, said a single drug has never been used in executions.
By contrast, he said, Kentucky regularly trains its execution team and employs an experienced worker to insert the intravenous lines through which the drugs are administered.
Recent executions in Florida and Ohio took much longer than usual, with strong indications that the prisoners suffered severe pain in the process. Workers had trouble inserting the IV lines that are used to deliver the drugs.
Lined up in front of the court waiting to attend the arguments, college students Jeremy Sperling and Gira Joshi said they oppose the death penalty, but regard making executions less painful and more humane as a worthy goal.
"You have the right to die with dignity," said Joshi, a political science and religion major at New Jersey's Rutgers University. Sperling, a psychology and religion major at New York University, said serving a life prison term is the appropriate alternative to the death penalty.
The case is Baze v. Rees, 07-5439.
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If they want a quick and painless method of execution, then we need to go to .50 caliber headshots! 0 -
Perhaps we need to change to a guillotine and let them try to debate how there could be pain with that form of execution. 0 -
Up for your State's use is "TarterSauce's Prison Press".....you just put a prisoner in this here room and walk out. Next pull a lever and it releases the 250 ton block which the prisoner thinks is merely his roof.
The prison press pipes easily into sewer systems to put criminals where they belong. With our crap.
For a limited time only we will offer 2 Prison Press's for the price of 1 if you call now.
Note- Reaction time for the prison press is 1/3rd of a second which would not be considered cruel as no pain would be felt by the prisoner. This process is not considered unusual punishment but is a green alternative to process's that consume global resources.
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quote:Originally posted by Old-Colts
Perhaps we need to change to a guillotine and let them try to debate how there could be pain with that form of execution.
No pain there for sure.[:0][;)]
It's all a crock to do away with the death penalty.
I laugh at the attorneys that bring these cases.
They feel this way while it's bringing money into their wallets, but when one of their own family members is the victim of a brutal murder, many of them "apologize" for their seeming lack of concern for the "victim".
The ones that don't,......well, they're just attorneys!0 -
All of this crap is crazy, they feel pain from a the needle, boo hoo, they got to that point for a reason, who cares if they feel pain. The way I see it is that we should drown each one, hen bring them back to life, then drown them again. One drowning for each life they ruined, then we'll finially give them a reason to die by the end of their punishment. Maybe I should stop giving blood, after all that is an unusual punishment to get stuck by a needle. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
All of this crap is crazy, they feel pain from a the needle, boo hoo, they got to that point for a reason, who cares if they feel pain. The way I see it is that we should drown each one, hen bring them back to life, then drown them again. One drowning for each life they ruined, then we'll finially give them a reason to die by the end of their punishment. Maybe I should stop giving blood, after all that is an unusual punishment to get stuck by a needle.
Good point!
How many older folks have bad veins, and have to be "probed" multiple times at the hospital, or doctors offices to find a vein for an IV, or a syringe?
That ain't a problem though,.......they're not criminals.
This country is so f'ed up it is beyond belief, by the liberal "bleeding hearts".[xx(]0 -
yep, just another excuse to abolish the death penalty!we dont have it here, and every time there is a real nasty murder or pack rape people screm out to be allowed to vote on bringing it back....and do you know what the answer is from our stinking politicians? ..".no we wont let you vote on re-instating the death penalty because we know you would vote for it, and we dont believe in it"....again, just another example of what a great democracy australia is!! ----NOT!!! 0 -
I agree with most of you who think we are coddling the felons. One way to deal with is to put them to ddeath in the same way they killed someone else. Or..list two or three methods to die and give em a choice (too soft for my of thinking). 0 -
I am against the death penalty, and not because of "pain."
To many mistakes, too much of a chance the State could kill an innocent man. The State need not be in the God business of ending life.
Stick them in an 8 x 8 and let them rot without parole. For me that would be worse than death anyway.0 -
How about this -
Life without parole, but the prisoner is given a cyanide capsule that he can eat at any time, or not.
Most would likely kill themselves...0 -
lets go back to hangin 0 -
again an easy answer is to this problem
KILL THEM THE WAY THEY KILLED THE PERSON THAT GOT THEM ON DEATH ROW
the victim didnt get a choice did they[?]0 -
quote:Originally posted by CHEVELLE427
again an easy answer is to this problem
KILL THEM THE WAY THEY KILLED THE PERSON THAT GOT THEM ON DEATH ROW
the victim didnt get a choice did they[?]
That could never work. It's far too logical.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
How about this -
Life without parole, but the prisoner is given a cyanide capsule that he can eat at any time, or not.
Most would likely kill themselves...
Matt,.....I could possibly agree with you on that proposal.
I do not think enough "innocent" folks are actually executed to warrant doing away with the death penalty.
I COULD live with your idea, as I know the figures economically to imprison one for life, or to allow all the appeals, and how they stack up.
All I am saying is I have no remorse for some murderer feeling a "stick" in his arm, or a bit of pain, during execution.0 -
Why the 'ell not solve the problem ?
Put Dr. Death on the public payroll. Send him around to the various 'customers'.
Kevorkien seems to have worked it out well to send them over the divide easily...and by allowing him to take care of THIS little problem..he may be too busy to administer to the general public...0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
Stick them in an 8 x 8 and let them rot without parole. For me that would be worse than death anyway.
Nope Solitary is cruel and unusual punishment. Look at the Supermax, people said that was too harsh. [:(]0 -
I KNOW LETs JUST GIVE THEM A TIME OUT
im sure all they need is a hug
that will teach them not to be bad boys and girls!!!!!!
N O T
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I am all for the death penalty, and couldn't care less about these losers having a painful death. However, allowing a form of execution that is known to possibly cause excruciating, can be a nasty slippery slope. If you give a little on one right, they'll take alot on the next. 0 -
japan hangs 'em.
no known date of execution.
criminal's family find out when they given the body.
victim's family has foreknowledge.
small wood lined closet and the floor drops out.
few witnesses.
very discrete.
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I like the idea of a few 30.06's aimed at the heart and the head. No pain there, no draggin it out, and best of all they would not have to be stabbed by a tiny needle. Either that or hanging... but people in this country do not have the stomach for hangings anymore. 0 -
quote:but people in this country do not have the stomach for hangings anymore.
Can we get an AMEN, here ?
They ALSO don't have the guts to DEMAND an end to corrupt courts, prosecutors, and lawyers.
Every innocent man found on Death Row OUGHT to be replaced by the judges/lawyers that put him there...generally by withholding evidence or disallowing evidence that would tend to exonerate the accused.0
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