AR 10 vs AK 47
I am looking for some feedback about the AR 10 compared to the AK.
Good points and bad points on both of these.
Thanks again folks for your input.
Good points and bad points on both of these.
Thanks again folks for your input.
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It'll be about 15 pages long. 0 -
A 10 if you live somewhere other than Compton cally..ak47 if you live in compton cally..thats what i say[:p] 0 -
The AR10 is a more powerful round fired from a more accurate platform ... for starters!
On the down side, 308 is more expensive than 762x39 ...
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Oh yeah ... the AK is a commie gun0 -
The AR-10 shoots the .308, so, it has better ballistics, more accuracy and better choices of ammo. The AK, while the accuracy is good enough for military purposes, won't give you the match grade accuracy one could get from the AR. Plus, the ammo choices are usually military surplus or "decent" commercial, such as Wolf, Remington and some others, nothing in "match" grade. However, the AK does have it's strong points in that it will easily digest just about any ammo you run through it and will fire even caked in mud, dirt, snow, etc. Accesories are abundant for both, but the AR has a better optics platform. 0 -
I'm glad to hear what I am so far. I am leaning towards the 10 because I do not generally like foreign guns. All I hear about is ak this and ak that. probably because they are so inexpensive. This will be my first black gun and I didn't know they were available in .308 until earlier this evening from a friend telling me about the 10. I am knowlegable with hand guns and this will be my first step into the world of rifles.
I do appreciate all of this info from you again.
Thanks.0 -
I have heard better things about the DPMS .308 over the AR10. Most of the major AR makers have one in .308 now. DPMS, Bushmaster, Armalite, and RRA, I am sure there are more.
Like the others have said you are comparing 2 very different systems with very different prices. AK's start about $350, .308 AR's start at about $1000.0 -
I have a lot of learning to do. I was thinking that the 7.62 and .308 were of comparable size and liking American made much better I started looking at the ar style rifle. 0 -
DPMS has 4 variants
the basic LR-308 with 24" bull barrel $1149.00
the LR-308B with 18" bull barrel, $1149.00
the LR-308T Tactical version with 16" barrel, $1149.00
and the LR-308AP4 with A3-style flat-top, $1249.95
All these prices are MSRP and could probably be purchased for less.
All these would be a fine rifle, you just have to find the one that fits your needs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by knucklehead14
I have a lot of learning to do. I was thinking that the 7.62 and .308 were of comparable size and liking American made much better I started looking at the ar style rifle.
AK's main caliber (yes they come in many calibers too) is the .30 caliber 7.62x39. The AR10 is .308 (.30 cal) which is 7.62x51.
There are US made AK's but they run in about $1000 as well. While I do like and have many AR's the reliability of the AK is unsurpassed. The AR was designed to be used and maintained by trained professional soldiers. The AK was made to be reliable under any condition with minimal maintance by untrained people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by knucklehead14
I have a lot of learning to do. I was thinking that the 7.62 and .308 were of comparable size and liking American made much better I started looking at the ar style rifle.
The 7.62x39 (AK) and the .308 does use the same size bullet, the casings are different. The .308 uses a longer casing, thus providing more powder, thus more power and longer ranges.0 -
To my knowledge the AR10 has never seen other than incidental combat and has only been fielded by one second-world military (Portugal) and one third-world military (Sudan). The AK47 on the other hand has been kicking major ass for over 60 years.
BTW, what is sold today as an "AR10" ain't an AR10; it is a marketing exercise capitalizing on a name.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wartiger
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The 7.62x39 (AK) and the .308 does use the same size bullet, the casings are different. The .308 uses a longer casing, thus providing more powder, thus more power and longer ranges.
The do NOT use the same bullets. While they are both considered .30 caliber the 7.62x51 uses a bullet that is .308" in diameter and usually in weights from 140gr to 180gr.
The 7.62x39 uses a bullet that is .311" in diameter and usually weigh in the 120gr range depending on the maker.
There is some more info about this at the bottom of this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_mm_caliber
You will have to click on each link to read about each one.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
To my knowledge the AR10 has never seen other than incidental combat and has only been fielded by one second-world military (Portugal) and one third-world military (Sudan). The AK47 on the other hand has been kicking major ass for over 60 years.
BTW, what is sold today as an "AR10" ain't an AR10; it is a marketing exercise capitalizing on a name.
Yep, he's right on that. Less than 10,000 AR10's were ever made. It was a gun before it's time. The US went with the M14 since it only weighed 5 lbs more and couldn't hit a thing in full auto mode. 2500 went to Portugal where they were scrapped to make Vespa parts. Another 5000 went to Sudan and were used in that civil war for 20 years. Most were destroyed. Of the few thousand that were salvaged a good number ended up in Austalia where they were eventually confiscated and melted down by the enlightened government. Still a few remained and were repatriated. The Springfield Ohio milled receiver Sudanese stopped production at 59 rifles courtesy of the ATF. I just happen to have serial #0003. Even at 50 years old it is a fine shooting rifle. The newer AR10's are just beefed up AR15's with adapted M14 mags.0 -
just to add to your confusion the ar is also available in -
22,223,5.56,204,243,260,6.8 ,308 and 450 bushmaster (i think )
there mite be more ,i am not an expert on the subject but have been looking .0 -
O.K, let me re-phrase that, they use similiar size bullets, that being .30 caliber. I didn't mean to say that they use the same exact bullet. I knew there was a difference, just didn't know the specs.[:I] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by hdwrench
just to add to your confusion the ar is also available in -
22,223,5.56,204,243,260,6.8 ,308 and 450 bushmaster (i think )
there mite be more ,i am not an expert on the subject but have been looking .
and 9mm and .458!0 -
I think if you are comparing a 7.62x51 battle rifle to the AK you MUST include the FAL. Right arm of the free world, 93 countries, almost including the US (instead of M14) if it weren't for "buy american" ... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
I think if you are comparing a 7.62x51 battle rifle...
Uh, what's a "battle rifle"?0 -
quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
quote:Originally posted by hdwrench
just to add to your confusion the ar is also available in -
22,223,5.56,204,243,260,6.8 ,308 and 450 bushmaster (i think )
there mite be more ,i am not an expert on the subject but have been looking .
and 9mm and .458! You can use the 458 upper with an AR15 lower and use the same AR15 30rd mags.0 -
quote:Originally posted by hdwrench
just to add to your confusion the ar is also available in -
22,223,5.56,204,243,260,6.8 ,308 and 450 bushmaster (i think )
there mite be more ,i am not an expert on the subject but have been looking .
There are at LEAST 40 different calibers that AR's are made in these days. They can be had from .22 all the way up to .50 BMG. If you can think of a semi common round you can most likely get an AR chambered for it. I know people have tried to run a list a few times. I will start a new thread on the subject, sounds fun to do it again. Here is a link to the new thread, http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2883440 -
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
I think if you are comparing a 7.62x51 battle rifle...
Uh, what's a "battle rifle"?
Boy you gotta tell a Marine every little thing. Ok a Battle Rifle is one used in atleast three major motion pictures by either John Wayne , Lee Marvin or Telly Savalas.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
I think if you are comparing a 7.62x51 battle rifle...
Uh, what's a "battle rifle"?
Oh hell, here we go.....[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by wartiger
O.K, let me re-phrase that, they use similiar size bullets, that being .30 caliber. I didn't mean to say that they use the same exact bullet. I knew there was a difference, just didn't know the specs.[:I]another big difference in ammo is the x51 almost always uses boat tail bullets, but the x39 has flat bottom. you already know that for soft tissue damage, most rifle ammo relies on fragmentation or expansion but military 7.62x39 FMJ relies on staying in one peice and turning sideways, which iirc, it couldn't do without the flat bottom. if there's enough distance through soft material it will do a 180 and travel backwards.0 -
The biggest difference between the two is that:
A AK is a AK and will always be a AK
A AR can be whatever your heart desires with the change of an upper0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
A AR can be whatever your heart desires with the change of an upper.
Same with my blowup doll. What is your point?0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigdaddyjunior
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
To my knowledge the AR10 has never seen other than incidental combat and has only been fielded by one second-world military (Portugal) and one third-world military (Sudan). The AK47 on the other hand has been kicking major ass for over 60 years.
BTW, what is sold today as an "AR10" ain't an AR10; it is a marketing exercise capitalizing on a name.
Yep, he's right on that. Less than 10,000 AR10's were ever made. It was a gun before it's time. The US went with the M14 since it only weighed 5 lbs more and couldn't hit a thing in full auto mode. 2500 went to Portugal where they were scrapped to make Vespa parts. Another 5000 went to Sudan and were used in that civil war for 20 years. Most were destroyed. Of the few thousand that were salvaged a good number ended up in Austalia where they were eventually confiscated and melted down by the enlightened government. Still a few remained and were repatriated. The Springfield Ohio milled receiver Sudanese stopped production at 59 rifles courtesy of the ATF. I just happen to have serial #0003. Even at 50 years old it is a fine shooting rifle. The newer AR10's are just beefed up AR15's with adapted M14 mags.
Just to be clear ... only the current AR10 uses the modified M14 mags, and since 9/2004 when the ban died they make their own ... the Bushmaster uses the FAL, as does the RRA version I believe ...
Only the Stoner SR25 and the DPMS use the original (1950-60's) AR10 mags0 -
quote:Originally posted by DancesWithSheep
quote:Originally posted by iwannausername
I think if you are comparing a 7.62x51 battle rifle...
Uh, what's a "battle rifle"?
Aw come on DWS, surely a man with your historic weapons knowledge knows the battle rifle is a direct line decendant of the battle axe....0
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