what do you do when deadbeat bidders.....
email you and want to just pay the auction fees and get good feedback or pay the fees to keep from getting neg. fb? I used to go along with that but I finally came to the conclusion that they need to learn a lesson and straighen there butt up so I give neg. fb regardless of whether or not they will get pissy and give me neg. fb.
what do you other sellers do?
what do you other sellers do?
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I think it makes almost 0 difference what feedback a bidder has, only what the seller has. I don't think sellers should even be able to leave feedback for buyers. Auction sites should require 2 accounts, one for buying and one for selling.
I do feel bad for you in this situation though, but nevertheless.0 -
Leave feedback for what they are.
They screw up -- you tell the world.0 -
I hold them to their bid. They punched in the bid, confirmed it, and I hold them to it. If they still do not want to pony up and make good, I threaten them with legal action. I've only had to do this 3 times, in my years on ebay (since '98), and years on gunbroker.com (since '02).
One particular one I remember ... gal bought an item, then changed her mind. I would have been flexible if she found something wrong with the auction or product, but just to change her mind, and for me to eat the cost, and duration, not.
So, I told her, since she bought it from me, I could file a small claims suit, and that would require her to travel to my location to appear in court, (since she bought from me, in my state). Her lawyer husband made her realize I was right, and she forwarded the funds, neither of us left feedback for the other.
You as the buyer, buying from someone in another state, are bound by the sellers states laws.
I have no patience for people that place a bid then flake out, I've got time invested running the auction, and that is time I can't get back.
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quote:to eat the cost
Eat the cost? of what?
GB will refund fees, so what are you out?...
I cant help but think are there only sellers in the world?...are you guys the only ones that matter?...You keep saying deadbeat bidders, no good bidders...yadda yadda yadda...
How bout the freaking lousy sellers?...deadbeat sellers?..
Ones that overcharge shipping fees?..
Ones that demand payment within 5 days...some even 3 days and it doesnt matter if that includes an FFL...who cares, if the payment isnt there within the time allowed, you get bad feedback...who cares if your dealer hasnt gotten the FFL to you yet....Doesnt matter that the post office takes a week to get anywhere anymore...nooooo way, seller MUST have the money in his hands in the time allowed..
Ones that tell you "the ding/dent/mark/whatever must have happened in shipping or on your end"
There are good and bad on BOTH sides...stop trying to sound as if sellers are the gift to the world and are doing everyone a big service....
At least the guy offered to pay the fees, even though you can have them refunded....Sellers often forget that things come up at the last minute...accidents happen, cars break down, kids get sick...and yes it happens quick....0 -
Blackroses, without sellers, there would be no auctions, and no buyers.
As a buyer, it is up to you to either bid, or not. It is up to you to research your seller a bit.
Us, as sellers, don't get that option, we don't get to pick and choose our buyers.
Keep in mind, with no sellers there would be no auctions, so, we are a little bit valuable.
As for shipping, mines always a bit high, to cover auction costs, shipping supplies cost, as well as to cover any possible fluctuation in actual shipping costs. I've taken too many losses over the years, because I charged too little, never again.
As a buyer, I add the shipping to the price of the item, and that is my total, then I compare sellers by total price. So, I may lose sales because my shipping is a tad higher, but it allows me to post items without fear of taking a loss. One time, I started an auction at .99 and no reserve ... estimated shipping too low, and took a $2 digger. The item sold for .99, and shipping was an extra $2, so I paid that buyer $1 to take my item. At that time, I swore, never again.0 -
just like having a baby it takes both 0 -
hunterws..
Remember, without buyers there are NO sellers....YOu can research the buyer, the feedback says a lot...you can also block certain bidders from bidding on your item...
quote:One time, I started an auction at .99 and no reserve ... estimated shipping too low, and took a $2 digger. The item sold for .99, and shipping was an extra $2, so I paid that buyer $1 to take my item. At that time, I swore, never again.
That is YOUR problem ..not the buyers.....you listed the item without a reserve, etc, so YOU blew it...not the bidder...
We are on both ends, as buyers and sellers...have had one or two bidders that present a problem, and as a seller?....we will and have lost on an item, but when the over all picture is looked at, we have made a large profit...In other words, we look at the monthly pic, not the individual item picture....0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
quote:to eat the cost
Eat the cost? of what?
GB will refund fees, so what are you out?...
Are you like the shoemaker in the fairy tale? Do you have little elves that take pictures of your items, crop/fix the photos, upload them to the web for you, write the auction copy, and so forth?0 -
You are out time...big flippin deal....
SO now you want an hourly wage from the buyer as well?.
A lot of sellers do nothing but list on here and ebay, have the standard description written, already have photos done, so what are they out?...0 -
Some days, I go up to my friend's shop and work. He pays me. I shoot pictures of guns, describe them, and list them on the auctions. Time = money. 0 -
David, that is a bit different than what was first described....
But again, you take you chances...same as a store...you get the item, stock it, clean it etc and if it doesnt sell, you put it on sale, etc..and if it does sell, you dont tell the purchaser,
"well now, lets see, it didnt sell the first go round, so now I have to tack on my time of dusting it, showing it, bagging it etc....
Sometimes I think sellers want buyers to kiss their freaking butts just for "letting the person buy it"0 -
When in doubt, making an honest effort to follow the rules and guide lines is always the best policy. Add a blurb in you descriptions about retracted bids and negative feedback being left for non-payers. 0 -
How about reading the rules? Are GB's rules to which buyers and sellers agree absolutely meaningless? Last time I checked, using GB is not a right but a priviledge. If you're on GB then you are in someone else's house. If you don't want to play by the rules (regardless of whether you are a buyer or a seller) then don't play. It's pretty simple actually. A strict set of rules by which all must abide in order to participate keeps the process enjoyable. How hard is it?
BTW, I've run across 2 loser sellers. I didn't realize that if a high bidder's account is revoked the second highest bidder becomes the high bidder. However, the "rules" state that you are no longer legally obligated to an auction once you are outbid. This happened to me. I was outbid so I went and bought the same gun locally after which the high bidder's account was revoked. The seller tried to pin the auction on me and decided to leave neg. feedback even though I showed him the rules. I wasn't obligated anymore.
I bid on another pistol once and was the high bidder. I received confirmation after the auction was over and made contact with the seller to make payment. The seller simply decided that he wasn't going to sell me the gun anymore because he listed it as "stainless" and that it was actually "nickel". He simply didn't want to sell it to me for the highest bid that I placed. Misrepresentation of the finish is the fault of the seller and not the bidder.0 -
Anyone who wins then asks to back out by paying auction fee, is buying positive feedbak. They are building a false positive auction reputation. Might be working towards a scam down the road or maybe they just want a shortcut to a high number of positive feedbacks.
Either way I don't go along with it. If you win an auction of mine I expect you to buy the item.0 -
SP--It's interesting. I've never been told I couldn't purchase an item I've bid on even when I had no rating. I don't understand this obsession with collecting feedbacks. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
David, that is a bit different than what was first described....
But again, you take you chances...same as a store...you get the item, stock it, clean it etc and if it doesnt sell, you put it on sale, etc..and if it does sell, you dont tell the purchaser,
"well now, lets see, it didnt sell the first go round, so now I have to tack on my time of dusting it, showing it, bagging it etc....
Sometimes I think sellers want buyers to kiss their freaking butts just for "letting the person buy it"
I agree with you. I've done thousands of buys and sales. I don't add extra for handling, wrapping,picture taking, etc. It is just part of doing the business. And I do go the extra mile on packaging and all etc. My shipping always is determined by your zip code. Try to keep shipping close to exact as I can. On all my buys I really expect the same but it doesn't happen often enough. If your shipping and HANDLING is high then I just don't bid on your auctions.0 -
Yes, but how is entering into an agreement which you confirm--an agreement in which all terms are clear before giving your WORD--a form of kissing a seller's butt? How is expecting someone to live up to their end of a 2-way deal a form of butt-kissing? 0 -
Point being, things happen that can prevent people from following through with the deal. This doesnt mean they are deadbeats. I had a guy that was supposed to pick up a gun I had for 700.00 bucks, the day before he was scheduled to get it he called and had to back out of the deal, His house got hit by lightning, I went and saw it. His Insurance covered it all but 3000.00 dollars which he had to fork out to fix his home.. No big Deal. I didnt lose anyting.
And I am with IDS on the Feedback thing, too much imphases put on it.. I say no feed back given unless it is negative.. If no negatives on a seller then he would be good to go.. I dont need a pat on the back just because I sold someone something and everything went the way they wanted it to.. If The deal went sour and was my fault then leave negative feed back..0 -
BlackRoses said "Eat the cost? of what?"
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BlackRoses said "SO now you want an hourly wage from the buyer as well?."
If a person bids and dosn't intend to pay they are not a buyer they are a aggravation. There are buyers that sometimes, rarely, make a mistake and want to terminate a purchase. Then there are other people that have some sort of shoping complex/disorder. They will latch on to a salesperson and run them around forever then either buy and return or not buy. These tire kickers not only are a pain to the seller but a pain to other buyers that legimately want to purchase a item and lose it because it ends up in tire kicker purgatory. The tire kicker can bid as much as they want since they are not going to pay any way.
Do these buyers bother me on the auctions. No. I have a relative that has been doing this for decades. I know how to deal with it. I believe most sellers don't want to waste time and do not want to be paid a hourly wage from the buyer. They want to avoid or at least minimize the aggragation.0 -
Actually, out of the tens of millions of people in these internet auctions, what are the percentages of "DeadBeats"? I worked Ebay for 5 years and had one (1) yes, one deadbeat, and one, yes one negative feedback.. Remember, you cant please em all no matter what ya do, take it in stride and move on...[;)] 0 -
I won't let anyone bid in my eBay auctions if they have only negative or no feedback unless they contact me before they place a bid. If they have zero feedback this lets me know they really exist and if they have negative feedback only I want to know why. In one of my first auctions on eBay the high bidder on an expensive guitar I was selling turned out to not exist so I had to go through the week+ long process with eBay before I could relist the item. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Henry0Reilly
Are you like the shoemaker in the fairy tale? Do you have little elves that take pictures of your items, crop/fix the photos, upload them to the web for you, write the auction copy, and so forth?
that's a one time thing, if the item does not sell all you have to do is click the relist botton.0 -
Rambo, Roses, et al, I only have this observation on this topic - I have been a buyer and a seller on GB, EB and AA - I have never failed to buy as agreed, BUT on each of those three sites, I have had lots removed by sellers after I have entered a bid. As a seller I have had one buyer who discovered the magazine he was high bidder on did not fit his rifle - he explained the problem and mailed me a buck (unsolicited) for my trouble. I relisted the mag and neither of us left feedback of any kind. My experience has shown there to be more problem sellers than buyers and I believe that to be the case on all the sites. 0 -
quote:If a person bids and dosn't intend to pay they are not a buyer they are a aggravation. There are buyers that sometimes, rarely, make a mistake and want to terminate a purchase. Then there are other people that have some sort of shoping complex/disorder. They will latch on to a salesperson and run them around forever then either buy and return or not buy. These tire kickers not only are a pain to the seller but a pain to other buyers that legimately want to purchase a item and lose it because it ends up in tire kicker purgatory. The tire kicker can bid as much as they want since they are not going to pay any way.
The same can be said for a seller...there are sellers out there, and yes I have known them--wont tell you if the item is 10,14k gold, whata magazine fits, its a pic that has been taken out of a catalog of the item, not the actual item, so you have no clue as to the condition of the one you are bidding on ...etc....THen you get the seller that wont answer the emails you send AFTER you win the auction...and I have even had 3, yes 3 who "no longer have the item in stock"....Now these "tire kickers" dont care if they sell or not, they dont care about the customer...
SO before you start complaining about the bidders, take a good long hard look at the seller, and if the seller is you, look harder...find out what you may be doing to turn a bidder off....
And this is BR....not classic...0 -
Bottom line is this, the seller starts an auction and lists their shipping and terms. If the shipping is too high, or the terms too harsh, move on.
If a seller states more rules than description, I move on .. that's not a person I want to do business with, (just my personal experience).
As a buyer, you get to pick and choose. If I want to charge you for handling, that is my right ... it's also your right not to bid.
have a nice day.0 -
quote:Originally posted by hunterws
I hold them to their bid. They punched in the bid, confirmed it, and I hold them to it. If they still do not want to pony up and make good, I threaten them with legal action. I've only had to do this 3 times, in my years on ebay (since '98), and years on gunbroker.com (since '02).
One particular one I remember ... gal bought an item, then changed her mind. I would have been flexible if she found something wrong with the auction or product, but just to change her mind, and for me to eat the cost, and duration, not.
So, I told her, since she bought it from me, I could file a small claims suit, and that would require her to travel to my location to appear in court, (since she bought from me, in my state). Her lawyer husband made her realize I was right, and she forwarded the funds, neither of us left feedback for the other.
You as the buyer, buying from someone in another state, are bound by the sellers states laws.
I have no patience for people that place a bid then flake out, I've got time invested running the auction, and that is time I can't get back.
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if your time is that valuable why waste it selling on the 'net?
problem one with this country too many lawyers talking us into whining about the little stuff! I have relatives like that " sue for this sue for that sue for anything!"[xx(]0 -
It was a threat ... it worked.
If I was that type, that is how the law works (buyer has to travel to where they bought it)
As well, I'm not sue happy, I know those types, this is business ... not like looking for ice to slip on.
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quote:Originally posted by hunterws
It was a threat ... it worked.
If I was that type, that is how the law works (buyer has to travel to where they bought it)
As well, I'm not sue happy, I know those types, this is business ... not like looking for ice to slip on.
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understood but, maybe they did fall on hard times, just come up with a dollar amount to compensate for your time and listing fees without promising good feedback, but if they cannot convince you that they have a very good reason not to complete it's your ball, they have to play by your rules!0 -
Agree Hunter .. 0 -
yep, dude was a lawyer, so they sure weren't on hard times.
If I remember right, after winning the bid, she just changed her mind and even admitted she found a better deal. THAT I have no patience for... shop around before you commit.0
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