Navy SEAL's
Just saw a neat documentary on the Military Channel(On Demand) that was all about the SEALS. Those guys are some tough customers for sure. Also learned some neat things on the show--Hiram Maxim who invented the machine gun & the modern mousetrap and his son invented the silencer. They also talked about Eugene Stoners other weapon that I didn't even know existed the 63-kinda like the modern SAW. Also a new thing for me was seeing a pump action giant "shotgun" version of the M79 and there is even a buckshot round for it! Nice to learn something new everyday.
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The Seals are about the toughest special forces out there. They have high dollar Navy training and finish the mission Marine mind set. Good combination for a great special force![;)] 0 -
Just out of curiosity, what other special forces (foreign and domestic) are in the same league as the SEALs? And I mean that in the broadest terms possible since I want to avoid the usual "no one's in the same class" jingoistic hyperbole. 0 -
Rangers, Delta Force, Green Beret, Recon, Seals, ect... are all excellent. Each will tell you they are the best, but they are all world class and all have their specialties. 0 -
SAS USED TO BE UNTIL THE namby pamby bleeding heart GOVERNMENT CUT THE GUTS OUT OF THEM![:(!] 0 -
quote:ElMuertoMonkey Posted - 02/04/2008 : 12:10:42 AM
Just out of curiosity, what other special forces (foreign and domestic) are in the same league as the SEALs? And I mean that in the broadest terms possible since I want to avoid the usual "no one's in the same class" jingoistic hyperbole.
Fame- is not the only attribute that would put a "special forces" (in your words EMM) group in the same league.
I would consider Marine Recon, some U.S. Army SOCOM units (that you have probably never heard of), Delta, S.A.S., the Israelli S.F. units.
There are around 2700 or 2,800 SEALS these days. In numbers they are larger than many other Special Operations groups out there. They are some tough guys, but there are many others out there that are on the same type of operational level that would never get the same recognition because a unit of 50 guys just won't ever get the press that 2,800 SEALS do, or have through the years.0 -
My hat is off for all of our special forces types. Last 40mm buckshot round I saw was way underpowered. Oh and I think all our servicepeople are heros. My dad and all his 4 brothers served in ww2 + his sister was a nurse. 3 of 5 of his kids are vets ( the other was turned down due to bad eyes, + the 4 is a nurse. All 4 of his grandchilden are serving now or vets. 0 -
I have extreme respect for all of our military people-they do a job that I cannot even imagine being easy or fun. Because my uncle was given the CMH posthumously during Viet Nam I was allowed a tour into the Pentagon with a friend of mine who is in the Army. They have an actual museum in the building! Many items from all branches of service-including many firearms-even some belonging to MacArthur. They also have a Hall of Heroes that lists all the CMH honored vets from all the wars since that medal was given. Here is my uncles' details of his CMH
*MOLNAR, FRANKIE ZOLY
Rank and organization: Staff Sergeant, U.S. Army, Company B, 1st Battalion, 8th Infantry, 4th Infantry Division. place and date: Kontum Province, Republic of Vietnam, 20 May 1967. Entered service at: Fresno, Calif. Born: 14 February 1943, Logan, W. Va. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. S/Sgt. Molnar distinguished himself while serving as a squad leader with Company B, during combat operations. Shortly after the battalion's defensive perimeter was established, it was hit by intense mortar fire as the prelude to a massive enemy night attack. S/Sgt. Molnar immediately left his sheltered location to insure the readiness of his squad to meet the attack. As he crawled through the position, he discovered a group of enemy soldiers closing in on his squad area. His accurate rifle fire killed 5 of the enemy and forced the remainder to flee. When the mortar fire stopped, the enemy attacked in a human wave supported by grenades, rockets, automatic weapons, and small-arms fire. After assisting to repel the first enemy assault, S/Sgt. Molnar found that his squad's ammunition and grenade supply was nearly expended. Again leaving the relative safety of his position, he crawled through intense enemy fire to secure additional ammunition and distribute it to his squad. He rejoined his men to beat back the renewed enemy onslaught, and he moved about his area providing medical aid and assisting in the evacuation of the wounded. With the help of several men, he was preparing to move a severely wounded soldier when an enemy hand grenade was thrown into the group. The first to see the grenade, S/Sgt. Molnar threw himself on it and absorbed the deadly blast to save his comrades. His demonstrated selflessness and inspirational leadership on the battlefield were a major factor in the successful defense of the American position and are in keeping with the finest traditions of the U.S. Army. S/Sgt. Molnar's actions reflect great credit upon himself, his unit, and the U.S. Army.
this website has all the the soliders who have been CMH recipients and the stories behind each one.
http://www.history.army.mil/moh.html0 -
Seals are tuff stuff that's for sure.
Proud to call a couple of them friends ....0 -
Ruger: givette here. I questioned (in Vietnam) an MG ammo belt. It had M-60 style links, the ones you could break apart with a twist, and the SF sgt. showed me the gun. Called it a "Stoner". Looks like a scaled-down M-60. Fired linked 5.56. That must be the MG you saw in the show. Best, Joe 0 -
ya it was really cool--it could be configured different ways-you could even take the buttstock off and add a short barrel and have almost a machine pistol. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Just out of curiosity, what other special forces (foreign and domestic) are in the same league as the SEALs? And I mean that in the broadest terms possible since I want to avoid the usual "no one's in the same class" jingoistic hyperbole.
ROK special forces are tough hombres. They don't have the budget but they do have the attitude.0 -
SEALS. tuff stuff. right. something my SEAL CO said during his change of command ceremony back in the 90's i'll never forget:
"being a SEAL isnt what makes you special, its the type of mission we are called to perform that requires special people to do special things." Cdr d.loowe. usn, (spelled wrong to fool google.)
and if i may add, the type of training and funds allocated to a special mission is whats suppose to make SPECOPS special.
in my opinion, special forces over the decades has lost its 'special' status, in the sense that they lost their cover and clandetine means. its like telling the whole world how to fly a B2 bomber. its hard to hide when you got so many of them and you have hollywood movies made up about you. its gotten to a point where inside specops you now have the 'other' specops to do the real specops missions. heck, might as well call regular seal teams just another boat command. [8]
maybe its me, but for years i heard about disneyland. when finally got to go, it was a letdown. all the hype didnt match the true experience. seemed they all wore their pants just like me and had their problems like all of us. there were good ones and bad ones and even they had capt mast. heck, even washouts, but you never hear about that now do we? only difference between reg navy is they had the extra money to pay for gear, binges, fast cars, ran a lot, did PT, and the girls swarmed them...for their bucks. but put a rig in front of them or ask them to charge a dive bottle or load a plane without mixing non compatable in flight hazmat, and they pulled the 'im a seal, you do it' thing to cover the fact that they were stupid and forgot how.[:I] they forgot how because they were required to be quailfied in everything, but not nessessarily good at anything. it got to a point where certain seals got good at one or two things and they became the 'go to' guy. heck, wasnt that what TECHS were for? afterall the extra pay was to be special, wasnt it?[:o)] maybe its changed in 10 years, but it was sure gloomy back then. i was glad to leave. TV never shows the real life. remember that. one of my parting briefs at retirement to my CO was that... you can 'appear' trained and be 'really' trained. its one thing to be qualified, but its more important to be current and proficient. most seals i knew left the command with 11 jumps in 5 years. 5 of which came from the army at benning basic. i hope he listened and i hope he passed it on to the next generation of specops. i can talk. i was there.
in closing, i cant say its the same now, so as a tribute to our men fighting i will say this, it would be better to call specops 'extra-ordinary,' instead of following the so called ora of what mainstream has painted them as tuff stuff, and leave it at that. afterall, it does take a 'special person' to breathe helium and swim for 8 hours in his own sh** and pi** stuck inside his drysuit, crawl in sand for 8 hours, make a kill with NVG, get out alive, and enjoy it enough to do it again......for YOUR national security.[^]0 -
The most "special" of all of the special forces probably don't have a name, and are multinational.
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Gotta go with Fisherman Ben re. the multi-national aspect. In Vietnam I saw, what they called themselves "PRU"'s. Came and went. (I was in an outpost on the border). They asked me to accompany them. The group in question (there were several) never came back, [exfiltrated through the same point as insertion] so I never went. And they all had a thick scottish brogue. And they all had service time in. No youngsters there.
I've been with RVN Aussies, and the accent of the PRUs was decidedly "off". Brit SAS?
Oh, and PRU stands for (or stood for) "Provincial Reconnaisance Unit". Who were they? I'll never know. Just another dark force committed to the dirty-deed task. Best, Joe
EDIT: Thanks to KEVD18 for the correction in red. Joe0 -
pru stood for provincial reconnaissance unit
http://www.groups.sfahq.com/pru_rvn.htm0 -
We've all seen the movies. Do you really think that we have SEAL teams retrieving satellites in enemy territory and sneaking into China to set up surveillance?? 0 -
we got people in places youd never dream......
ever hear on news reports that they heard it from a 'reliable source?'[;)]0
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