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Attacks on Obama hit his church
E-mails spread falsehoods about Trinity United Church of Christ.
By ANGIE DROBNIC HOLAN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 12, 2008
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Anonymous e-mails ricocheting around the Internet say U.S. Sen. Barack Obama shouldn't hold the presidency because the church he belongs to is anti-American and "scary."
It is not the first time Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has been a focal point of controversy for Obama, whose presidential aspirations soared when he won the Iowa caucus last week.
But questions about the teachings of this church, with more than 8,000 members, have risen again as e-mails hit in-boxes all over the country this week.
"If you look at the first page of their Web-site," an e-mail declares "you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mention. Notice too, what color you need to be if you should want to join Obama's church ... B-L-A-C-K!!!"
Some of the e-mails opine that the church is racist and so is Obama. A few claim he is a covert worshiper of Islam and that his middle name is Mohammed.
It's the latest salvo in the e-mail wars - anonymous missives launched into cyberspace seeking to frighten voters away from candidates in the guise of friendly warnings. Typically they use kernels of truth, then launch into falsehood.
"There's no question this is a distortion," said Martin Marty, a retired Chicago-based historian of religion and public life, who is white and has attended services at Trinity several times.
PolitiFact received multiple versions of the e-mail from readers asking about its veracity. Let's sort out the claims:
- Yes, Obama belongs to Trinity United Church of Christ, which is considered among the larger black megachurches in the United States. The presidential race has kept him away from the church recently, but he typically attends when he's in Chicago, according to his campaign.
- Yes, Trinity preaches a Bible-based message of black self-reliance. Its motto is "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." And, the church does have a "non-negotiable commitment to Africa."
- No, you do not have to be black to join Trinity. The church, which has been overwhelmed with media inquiries, said in a statement that it welcomes people of all races and has white members.
- No, Obama is not Muslim. He is a Christian.
- No, Obama's middle name is not Mohammed. He is named Barack Hussein Obama after his father, a Kenyan who came to the United States from Africa as a student.
The main target of the e-mails is the church and its philosophy, formulated by senior pastor Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., a minister known for his passionate sermons and what he calls black liberation theology.
Inspiring preachings
According to Obama's memoir, it was Wright's preaching that inspired him to convert from a secular agnosticism to Christianity during the 1980s. At the time, Obama was working as a community organizer in Chicago's south side, an African-American neighborhood that includes poverty-stricken areas with pockets of affluence.
Obama borrowed the title of his book The Audacity of Hopefrom one of Wright's sermons. The pastor, who is expected to retire this year, built Trinity from a small number of families in 1972 to the largest congregation of the United Church of Christ, a denomination known for a diversity of views among its nearly 6,000 congregations.
Trinity's commitment to Africa appears to be more a statement of philosophical orientation than of political support for any particular African country. The church offers classes about the continent and sponsors trips there. Its Web-site, www.tucc.org, says it seeks to represent the concerns of Africa in the United States and compares its allegiance with other mainstream immigrant groups:
"Just as those of Jewish heritage advocate on behalf of the state of Israel, and those of Irish heritage advocate on behalf of Ireland, and those of Polish descent for Poland, so must we of African descent care about the land of our heritage - the Continent of Africa."
Dwight Hopkins, a professor of divinity at the University of Chicago who attends Trinity and is black, describes the church as "highly evangelical and Bible-based." People who don't bring a Bible to services so they can look up passages are likely to be teased good-naturedly from the pulpit, he said.
The church combines gospel singing and modern dance with Southern-style hand-shaking, hugging and kissing, Hopkins said. He said the preaching tends to be "common-sense folk wisdom laced with theological sophistication."
"There's singing and shouting and people get happy. It's an old fashioned, mainstream down-home church that somehow is captured in this 8,000-person congregation," he said.
John C. Green, a professor of political science and a senior fellow with the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, said scholars do not consider black liberation theology to be racist. But it can appear that way to outsiders.
"A black empowerment theology could be seen as having a racist element because it isn't neutral in regards to race," he said. "The person who wrote this e-mail obviously has very strong feelings about this."
Obama responded to criticism about the church's tenets in a February 2007 interview with the Chicago Tribune.
"Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect," Obama said. "Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement. So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help."
Invitation rescinded
Nevertheless, Obama had invited Wright to give the invocation when he announced his candidacy for president, but rescinded the invitation at the last minute. The campaign has said that decision was made to avoid putting Trinity under a microscope.
"Sen. Obama is proud of his pastor and his church," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said at the time. "But because of the type of attention it was receiving on blogs and conservative talk shows, he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context and forcing the entire church to defend itself."
Conservatives have questioned the church's teachings and some of Wright's opinions criticizing U.S. foreign policy. Sean Hannity of the Fox News show Hannity and Colmes called the church's teaching "divisive." Wright appeared on the show in March; the two men had a spirited debate.
Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative-leaning think tank that studies the role of religion in public life, said he also thinks Wright's teachings are divisive.
"It's too strong to call it racist but at the same time, it is a form of identity politics or identity theology, which insists you white people can come to this church, but you won't get it," he said.
A fuss over religion
Trinity defended its teachings in a statement responding to the recent attacks:
"There is no anti-American sentiment in the theology or the practice of Trinity United Church of Christ. To be sure, there is prophetic preaching against oppression, racism and other evils that would deny the American ideal," it said.
Marty, the retired historian, said, "Whites are highly accepted. They don't make a fuss over you, but you're very much welcomed."
Nationwide, the United Church of Christ is predominantly white and encourages diversity and autonomy among its congregations. It should not be confused with the Church of Christ, a denomination that is significantly more conservative.
Voter interest in candidates' religion is high again after a period of low interest in the 1970s and 1980s, said Green of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. The decades when candidates weren't critiqued for their religious beliefs might be considered the aberration rather than the norm, he said.
"This kind of highly negative portrayal of other people's churches and faiths is actually very common in American history," he said, citing as a recent example anti-Catholic invective aimed at John F. Kennedy when he ran for president in 1960.
"But we didn't have the Internet back then. This kind of communication has always gone on, but it moves much faster now."
Angie Drobnic Holan can be reached at aholan@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8573.
Statement
The church Barack Obama belongs to only admits black people. From a chain e-mail
Ruling
Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is mostly black, but the church does not have a policy, as the statement suggests, against admitting nonblacks, and it has a few white members. "Whites are highly accepted," says Martin Marty, a retired Chicago-based historian of religion and public life, who is white and has attended services there several times. "They don't make a fuss over you, but you're very much welcomed."
For more rulings on this chain e-mail, go to politifact.com
[Last modified January 12, 2008, 01:36:14]
Politics
Attacks on Obama hit his church
E-mails spread falsehoods about Trinity United Church of Christ.
By ANGIE DROBNIC HOLAN, Times Staff Writer
Published January 12, 2008
ADVERTISEMENT
Breaking News Video
Anonymous e-mails ricocheting around the Internet say U.S. Sen. Barack Obama shouldn't hold the presidency because the church he belongs to is anti-American and "scary."
It is not the first time Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has been a focal point of controversy for Obama, whose presidential aspirations soared when he won the Iowa caucus last week.
But questions about the teachings of this church, with more than 8,000 members, have risen again as e-mails hit in-boxes all over the country this week.
"If you look at the first page of their Web-site," an e-mail declares "you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mention. Notice too, what color you need to be if you should want to join Obama's church ... B-L-A-C-K!!!"
Some of the e-mails opine that the church is racist and so is Obama. A few claim he is a covert worshiper of Islam and that his middle name is Mohammed.
It's the latest salvo in the e-mail wars - anonymous missives launched into cyberspace seeking to frighten voters away from candidates in the guise of friendly warnings. Typically they use kernels of truth, then launch into falsehood.
"There's no question this is a distortion," said Martin Marty, a retired Chicago-based historian of religion and public life, who is white and has attended services at Trinity several times.
PolitiFact received multiple versions of the e-mail from readers asking about its veracity. Let's sort out the claims:
- Yes, Obama belongs to Trinity United Church of Christ, which is considered among the larger black megachurches in the United States. The presidential race has kept him away from the church recently, but he typically attends when he's in Chicago, according to his campaign.
- Yes, Trinity preaches a Bible-based message of black self-reliance. Its motto is "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian." And, the church does have a "non-negotiable commitment to Africa."
- No, you do not have to be black to join Trinity. The church, which has been overwhelmed with media inquiries, said in a statement that it welcomes people of all races and has white members.
- No, Obama is not Muslim. He is a Christian.
- No, Obama's middle name is not Mohammed. He is named Barack Hussein Obama after his father, a Kenyan who came to the United States from Africa as a student.
The main target of the e-mails is the church and its philosophy, formulated by senior pastor Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., a minister known for his passionate sermons and what he calls black liberation theology.
Inspiring preachings
According to Obama's memoir, it was Wright's preaching that inspired him to convert from a secular agnosticism to Christianity during the 1980s. At the time, Obama was working as a community organizer in Chicago's south side, an African-American neighborhood that includes poverty-stricken areas with pockets of affluence.
Obama borrowed the title of his book The Audacity of Hopefrom one of Wright's sermons. The pastor, who is expected to retire this year, built Trinity from a small number of families in 1972 to the largest congregation of the United Church of Christ, a denomination known for a diversity of views among its nearly 6,000 congregations.
Trinity's commitment to Africa appears to be more a statement of philosophical orientation than of political support for any particular African country. The church offers classes about the continent and sponsors trips there. Its Web-site, www.tucc.org, says it seeks to represent the concerns of Africa in the United States and compares its allegiance with other mainstream immigrant groups:
"Just as those of Jewish heritage advocate on behalf of the state of Israel, and those of Irish heritage advocate on behalf of Ireland, and those of Polish descent for Poland, so must we of African descent care about the land of our heritage - the Continent of Africa."
Dwight Hopkins, a professor of divinity at the University of Chicago who attends Trinity and is black, describes the church as "highly evangelical and Bible-based." People who don't bring a Bible to services so they can look up passages are likely to be teased good-naturedly from the pulpit, he said.
The church combines gospel singing and modern dance with Southern-style hand-shaking, hugging and kissing, Hopkins said. He said the preaching tends to be "common-sense folk wisdom laced with theological sophistication."
"There's singing and shouting and people get happy. It's an old fashioned, mainstream down-home church that somehow is captured in this 8,000-person congregation," he said.
John C. Green, a professor of political science and a senior fellow with the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, said scholars do not consider black liberation theology to be racist. But it can appear that way to outsiders.
"A black empowerment theology could be seen as having a racist element because it isn't neutral in regards to race," he said. "The person who wrote this e-mail obviously has very strong feelings about this."
Obama responded to criticism about the church's tenets in a February 2007 interview with the Chicago Tribune.
"Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect," Obama said. "Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement. So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help."
Invitation rescinded
Nevertheless, Obama had invited Wright to give the invocation when he announced his candidacy for president, but rescinded the invitation at the last minute. The campaign has said that decision was made to avoid putting Trinity under a microscope.
"Sen. Obama is proud of his pastor and his church," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said at the time. "But because of the type of attention it was receiving on blogs and conservative talk shows, he decided to avoid having statements and beliefs being used out of context and forcing the entire church to defend itself."
Conservatives have questioned the church's teachings and some of Wright's opinions criticizing U.S. foreign policy. Sean Hannity of the Fox News show Hannity and Colmes called the church's teaching "divisive." Wright appeared on the show in March; the two men had a spirited debate.
Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative-leaning think tank that studies the role of religion in public life, said he also thinks Wright's teachings are divisive.
"It's too strong to call it racist but at the same time, it is a form of identity politics or identity theology, which insists you white people can come to this church, but you won't get it," he said.
A fuss over religion
Trinity defended its teachings in a statement responding to the recent attacks:
"There is no anti-American sentiment in the theology or the practice of Trinity United Church of Christ. To be sure, there is prophetic preaching against oppression, racism and other evils that would deny the American ideal," it said.
Marty, the retired historian, said, "Whites are highly accepted. They don't make a fuss over you, but you're very much welcomed."
Nationwide, the United Church of Christ is predominantly white and encourages diversity and autonomy among its congregations. It should not be confused with the Church of Christ, a denomination that is significantly more conservative.
Voter interest in candidates' religion is high again after a period of low interest in the 1970s and 1980s, said Green of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. The decades when candidates weren't critiqued for their religious beliefs might be considered the aberration rather than the norm, he said.
"This kind of highly negative portrayal of other people's churches and faiths is actually very common in American history," he said, citing as a recent example anti-Catholic invective aimed at John F. Kennedy when he ran for president in 1960.
"But we didn't have the Internet back then. This kind of communication has always gone on, but it moves much faster now."
Angie Drobnic Holan can be reached at aholan@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8573.
Statement
The church Barack Obama belongs to only admits black people. From a chain e-mail
Ruling
Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is mostly black, but the church does not have a policy, as the statement suggests, against admitting nonblacks, and it has a few white members. "Whites are highly accepted," says Martin Marty, a retired Chicago-based historian of religion and public life, who is white and has attended services there several times. "They don't make a fuss over you, but you're very much welcomed."
For more rulings on this chain e-mail, go to politifact.com
[Last modified January 12, 2008, 01:36:14]
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Well, he has my vote. 0 -
This was printed in the St. Pete Times as well as the Tampa paper...and how many others I dont know....We have posted and provided links to the fact it is false but it goes on deaf ears and blind eyes... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
This was printed in the St. Pete Times as well as the Tampa paper...and how many others I dont know....We have posted and provided links to the fact it is false but it goes on deaf ears and blind eyes...
That what is false?
Don0 -
Beth...it may have something to do with the fact that he was raised in a radical muslim school and this form of Islam teaches that it's OK to lie to further their cause...as a matter of fact, it's their duty to do so. Deception is one of their most used tools. Obama found his "new faith" when it became politically expedient for him to do so. I do not know the man personally, but his actions lead me to believe he is still a muslim. 0 -
What would you call a caucasian who went to a church that:
Commitment to God, caucasian community, commitment to the caucasian family, the caucasian work ethic?????????0 -
oh they'd call him a racist[;)][:(!] 0 -
ECC...
Just like the all the other religions?...Tell me what is the diff?....and remember ECC, I was raised in the church, the so called christian church...0 -
It is a Racist Black Church.
I've read enough of their website.
In the Bulletin they ask for Black Christians.
http://www.tucc.org/bulletin.cfm0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
ECC...
Just like the all the other religions?...Tell me what is the diff?....and remember ECC, I was raised in the church, the so called christian church...
So did you start this just to bash christians?0 -
RugerNiner...
And most churches are not racist white churches?...0 -
I can ALMOST understand rooting for the underdog,but,believing in ANYONE THAT EVER TURNS THEIR BACK ON THE STARS AND BARS, is a fuggin COMMIE TOO!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
RugerNiner...
And most churches are not racist white churches?...
Not for years.
When was the last time to were in a church?0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
RugerNiner...
And most churches are not racist white churches?...
Does it make it ok that obamas is a black racist church?0 -
quote:So did you start this just to bash christians?
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quote:ANYONE THAT EVER TURNS THEIR BACK ON THE STARS AND BARS, is a fuggin COMMIE TOO!!!
The flag was BEHIND them in the pic...and it wasnt only Obama in the pic....
My ex husband was very high up in the church,...my grandparents built a church...my uncle and cousin were ministers ....last time I was in a church??...attended a funeral 2 years ago and all one has to do is turn on the tv to find out just how racist churches are...
dongizmo..
I did not post this to "bash christians" as you put it... I posted it because it was in the paper and most are getting the email stating a bunch of crap about him and his church...it has been on the news that the emails are false but it seems most dont even want to listen...they see one thing and one thing only....0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
quote:ANYONE THAT EVER TURNS THEIR BACK ON THE STARS AND BARS, is a fuggin COMMIE TOO!!!
The flag was BEHIND them in the pic...and it wasnt only Obama in the pic....
My ex husband was very high up in the church,...my grandparents built a church...my uncle and cousin were ministers ....last time I was in a church??...attended a funeral 2 years ago and all one has to do is turn on the tv to find out just how racist churches are...
dongizmo..
I did not post this to "bash christians" as you put it... I posted it because it was in the paper and most are getting the email stating a bunch of crap about him and his church...it has been on the news that the emails are false but it seems most dont even want to listen...they see one thing and one thing only....
quote:Originally posted by Obama
"Commitment to God, black community, commitment to the black family, the black work ethic, self-discipline and self-respect," Obama said. "Those are values that the conservative movement in particular has suggested are necessary for black advancement. So I would be puzzled that they would object or quibble with the bulk of a document that basically espouses profoundly conservative values of self-reliance and self-help."
But the fact he is a racist is ok ??????0 -
quote:But the fact he is a racist is ok ??????
Prove to me that none of the other candidates arent racist, prove the president isnt, along with any other president....0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
quote:But the fact he is a racist is ok ??????
Prove to me that none of the other candidates arent racist, prove the president isnt, along with any other president....
Please show me a quote like YOU posted proving they are.......0 -
quote:My ex husband was very high up in the church
And there lies the rub right there folks!0 -
BlackRoses you must remember small minds don't want to be confussed with the truth. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mcaso
BlackRoses you must remember small minds don't want to be confussed with the truth.
And your refering to?????0
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