NRA: good or bad?
my father just paid for a membership for me to the NRA as a gift. i've seen some negative comments on here about the NRA, can anyone tell me what they're about or post links to some info so i can see what they've been up to that seems to be so negative. thanks in advance.
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well I see it didnt take me long to piss off the anti NRA people. Just like any forum, look we must agree to disagree on this one. I will continue to pay my NRA dues regardless.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
but they are still making compromises that allows me to own my firearms so until that changes I will pay my dues.
LMAO!!!!
Really?
Let me 'splain something about "comprimise" as it relates to the Second Amendment.
Pro(NRA) and Anti(Brady bunch) go to the table. Anti tells Pro "We want the banning of ALL arms". Pro tells Anti"No, we have rights. Just take a little. Here is what WE will give away."
End of conversation. Pro (NRA) "comprimises" or gives up what we allready have. The Anti gains all and GIVES UP NOTHING. See why that view you have is foolish? As long as the NRA or ANYONE else GIVES AWAY rights, WE are the ONLY ones loosing.
Why is this so hard for people to understand?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
well I see it didnt take me long to piss off the anti NRA people. Just like any forum, look we must agree to disagree on this one. I will continue to pay my NRA dues regardless.
You think it honked me off? Wrong.
Yet you FAIL to tell me WHERE I am wrong with my statement.
So either correct me, or please admit that you just don't care about YOUR rights and the rights of all U.S. citizens. Buying a membership to a club doesn't make you a patriot. Paying someone else to care about your rights, doesn't protect them either.0 -
I can agree with you post but I agree to continue to pay my NRA dues. Maybe I am misred about the NRA who truly knows on the internet, I respect your opinion. I am just saying I will continue to support gun rights and gun owners and if you are willing to show me another org. I will be a happy supportive member of such. I am glad I found this thread on the forum because we can all argue and to each other, but I hope you understand that I have already seen that regardless of how we feel about the NRA we all are gun owners and I would like to think we all stand for the same thing.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
well I see it didnt take me long to piss off the anti NRA people. Just like any forum, look we must agree to disagree on this one. I will continue to pay my NRA dues regardless.
You think it honked me off? Wrong.
Yet you FAIL to tell me WHERE I am wrong with my statement.
So either correct me, or please admit that you just don't care about YOUR rights and the rights of all U.S. citizens. Buying a membership to a club doesn't make you a patriot. Paying someone else to care about your rights, doesn't protect them either.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
I can agree with you post but I agree to continue to pay my NRA dues. Maybe I am misred about the NRA who truly knows on the internet, I respect your opinion. I am just saying I will continue to support gun rights and gun owners and if you are willing to show me another org. I will be a happy supportive member of such. I am glad I found this thread on the forum because we can all argue and to each other, but I hope you understand that I have already seen that regardless of how we feel about the NRA we all are gun owners and I would like to think we all stand for the same thing.
Great, how about this proposal. You stop sending money to the NRA. Then you pick another organization to send your money to instead.
Like www.goa.org or www.jfpo.org or www.firearmscolition.org ? See, I don't mind so much a man/woman supports an organization to SUPPORT our rights (an UNCOMPRIMISING organization), but sending money to the NRA equates to sending money to handgun control. You really WANT to support Sarah Brady? The internet may be a place for information/misinformation, BUT if you do the research, you can separate FACT from fiction.0 -
quote:Originally posted by moonshine
quote:How about being complicit in turning a God-given, fundamental right into a government granted, thus government revocable privilege?
and just where do you find that statement.
I didn't "find" it anywhere. I expressed what the NRA is complicit in.
Pick your favorite NRA "compromise of the day" and apply the statement to it. Hold up "background checks", "bans" on imports of certain ammo, "CCW laws" and many others to the statement and see how it fits.
When government is granted, or acknowledged, to have the power to "permit" a citizen to exercise what is a fundamental Constitutionally guaranteed right, then government has been given the power to revoke that "act"(formerly a fundamental right).
Take a moment and tell me about all the fundamental "freedoms" you have to keep and bear arms, that the government has no control of, or has no veto over, or has no regulation over and/or the ability to remove it from you by the stroke of a pen, or some bureaucratic decision.
Take another moment then, to explain how it is preferable and/or recommended that we support the NRA. Do this after your eyes are open to the cold hard reality.
Finally, explain to me what is "good" for America and for the RTKBA, about the NRA's support, facilitation, compromise, or their assistance in the drafting of such infringements.....how these actions are somehow "good" for America and how these action reconcile with Amendment II of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.
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quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
I can agree with you post but I agree to continue to pay my NRA dues. Maybe I am misred about the NRA who truly knows on the internet, I respect your opinion. I am just saying I will continue to support gun rights and gun ownersand if you are willing to show me another org. I will be a happy supportive member of such. I am glad I found this thread on the forum because we can all argue and to each other, but I hope you understand that I have already seen that regardless of how we feel about the NRA we all are gun owners and I would like to think we all stand for the same thing.
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If you support the NRA you support continual loss of gun-rights. There is no other way to put it.
We may all be gun owners, but we sure as hell do NOT stand for the same thing.
Not personal to you sir and not intended as an individual slam, but to those who either fail to see what the NRA is doing and/or those who can see, but who willfully ignore or disregard it....well sir, we don't stand for the same thing at all.
Many of us stand for freedom, harsh and "fanatic" as that "loonie-fringe" position may seem to many here. Those who knowingly ride the NRA Bandwagon stand opposite to those in my camp and opposite to the Constitution and its Bill of Rights, particularly Amendment II.
It is that simple.
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
well I see it didnt take me long to piss off the anti NRA people. Just like any forum, look we must agree to disagree on this one. I will continue to pay my NRA dues regardless.
You think it honked me off? Wrong.
Yet you FAIL to tell me WHERE I am wrong with my statement.
So either correct me, or please admit that you just don't care about YOUR rights and the rights of all U.S. citizens. Buying a membership to a club doesn't make you a patriot. Paying someone else to care about your rights, doesn't protect them either.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
Look I am new to the fourm
Being new here, you may not have read the link below.
At least the first page.
This is for the OP as well.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2637950 -
Captain;
That post of yours is a classic...the reply to Fideau.
Covers ALL the bases..and uses words as a sword to cut off ANY debate from a reasoning man.
Naturally, you will get lots of guff from those who don't....in fact, you are in FINE form throughout the entire exchange on this thread.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time to compose your responses.
I have been simmering over here...debating with myself to do my typical 'thing' about this subject.....and indeed you have done it SOO much better then I ever could.
People, go back and read and REREAD the long post in red above...and the later one. You will hear the ring of truth as resoundingly as the ring of a pure ANVIL..one that is alive and responding to the blacksmiths' hammer.
That hammer is nailing the coffin shut on the myth of the NRAs' "Defending the Second Amendment' bullsnit....0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Captain;
That post of yours is a classic...the reply to Fideau.
Covers ALL the bases..and uses words as a sword to cut off ANY debate from a reasoning man.
Naturally, you will get lots of guff from those who don't....in fact, you are in FINE form throughout the entire exchange on this thread.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking the time to compose your responses.
I have been simmering over here...debating with myself to do my typical 'thing' about this subject.....and indeed you have done it SOO much better then I ever could.
People, go back and read and REREAD the long post in red above...and the later one. You will hear the ring of truth as resoundingly as the ring of a pure ANVIL..one that is alive and responding to the blacksmiths' hammer.
That hammer is nailing the coffin shut on the myth of the NRAs' "Defending the Second Amendment' bullsnit....
Thank you for the kind critique Highball my friend.
Feedback like this from you is always welcome, since you give such feedback sparingly, it carries that much more weight.
I know that the individuals I am replying to are probably set so far in their ways as to be a lost cause, but those who happen to read OUR replies may be prompted to think about things a bit. If so, it is worth it.
On a lighter note, crank up and jump in on this. I like nothing better than reading your direct, often brutal, yet delightfully scathing posts. No one and I mean NO ONE, can cut to the heart of the matter like you do.
It is a beautiful thing to see.[;)]
Frankly, I am about out of gas on this thread, unless something new jumps out to get me going again.0 -
Wow. Lot went on while I was gone. Expected it. Vitriol attacks are about all some people can do and then smugly think they are defenders of freedom. I think ripping the NRA is about all they care about doing. Fact is, the NRA didn't form its Legislative Affairs Division until 1934. It was to INFORM members of attacks on the 2nd Amendment that was going on at the time so that THEY (the MEMBERS) could take action. The NRA did not directly lobby for legislation until 1975 when the Institute for Legislative Action was formed. Whatever has happened since would have been far worse without them. Actually I had not even read the respondent's comments and was not directing anything at him personally. I appreciate other's opinions, I see no reason to be obnoxious about it. But I'm so happy I could bring some folks together by my little opinions so they could hug and snuggle each other in their dark little caves. 0 -
Fideau;
Think your reply was 'cute' ? That somehow you scored points with its dazzling brilliance ?
Let me clue you .it wasn't and didn't.
The good Captain treated you as a gentleman would.with kindness, given your position.
See ..any time a free man communicates with a subject, he tries to handle it delicately.until the subject attempts to impress the uninformed about the rightness of chains.
Now ..every time you and yours DO score points ..we free men lose more of our Rights ..and the more secure you folks feel.
The Real ENEMY isn't over in Washington, attempting to pass more gun laws.Nosir.
The real snake in the grass is the gun-owners out here that agree with most gun laws.
That is the real reason the NRA is still in existence ..the dirty secret being that most all the 4 million that the NRA brags about are gun-owners that have no problem what-so-ever wearing chains.
Cave..? Wish I lived in that cave. Then I wouldn't have to witness my fellow gun-owners selling out my Rights as an American ..and more importantly ..selling our AMERICA ..as they continue to support those that actively do so.0 -
And as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwodk with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came.0 -
Thanks for the link, duly noted
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
quote:Originally posted by Flowtom
Look I am new to the fourm
Being new here, you may not have read the link below.
At least the first page.
This is for the OP as well.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2637950 -
To no one in particular: When someone constantly rips the NRA, and openly declares the NRA is their enemy, have they not become the friend of the anti 2nd Amendment gerbils, who , like it or not, see the NRA as THEIR main enemy? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." And so they aid the Bradys, etc. with their vehement condemnations. Better to support your choice and keep it to yourself than give comfort to the enemy.
SLFN-YOYO0 -
The NRA is a lot like McCain: not my favorite pick, but the only one to get behind for the Big Fight. Better than nothing by far, and I realize it's easy for others to find fault with any political organization. 0 -
Make your own informed decision.
HR. 2640 AKA: THE VETERAN'S DISARMAMENT ACT 2008
In an unrecorded voice vote the gun grabbing bill once known at HR
297, HR 2640 also known as "The Veteran's Disarmament Act" by Pro 2nd
Amendment grass roots organizations across America, passed, and will
soon be on the way to President Bush for signature or veto.
The bill calls for a guilty before being proven innocent program of
separating which Americans may realize the 2nd amendment and which may not. According to the bill any past, present, or future "thought
crime" may threaten your right to purchase or own a firearm. Without a trial!
The core of the bill's problems is section 101(c)(1)(C), which makes
you a "prohibited person" on the basis of a "medical finding of
disability," so long as a citizen or veteran had an "opportunity" for
some sort of "hearing" before some "lawful authority" (other than a
court). Presumably, this "lawful authority" could even be the
psychiatrist himself.
*Note that unlike with an accused murderer, the hearing doesn't have
to occur. The "lawful authority" doesn't have to be unbiased. The
citizen or veteran is not necessarily entitled to an attorney - much
less an attorney financed by the government. Children with past
diagnosis for ADHD, People diagnosed with Alzheimer's, veterans
dealing with PTSD and who seek psychiatric help, men and woman who are charged or suspected of domestic violence, and anyone currently under medication for psychiatric reasons what so ever. Are targets of HR 2640.
We are forcing people choose between what may be essential mental help and counseling, or their 2nd amendment rights.
Funding for implementation on a state level is based on a "secret
formula" set by the US Attorney General in order for the states to
obtain the funding necessary to pay for this very expensive data base.
We have alerted the public to the nascent no fly lists, the coming no
work lists, now we must alert you to the no gun list. We have in
effect become a nation of lists, in the order of Stalin's Russia,
Hitler's Germany, or Mao's China. Unless we want to realize the
communism, socialism, or fascism of these failed prison states, we
must act NOW or lose everything the United States of America and its
constitution stands for.
So where is the NRA in all of this? It was in fact the NRA that helped legislate this bill all along. They own this lock stock and barrel!
Here is what NRA spokesperson Rachel Parsons had to say about
supporting HR 2640 with Ted Kennedy, Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein,
Frank Lautenberg, and Carolyn McCarthy: "We want a clean bill. If this becomes a Christmas tree of gun control, we will absolutely remove support from this bill" Three months later they did NOT remove
support.
And this is exactly what we ended up with. A Rockefeller Center style
Christmas tree lit up with more gun CONTROL than all previous gun
control bills combined. Like thieves in the night, in a secret vote,
with NO PUBLIC debate, with no mention by all but one of the
Republican presidential candidates (that one is Ron Paul) with no
coverage by the big 5 media companies, without a care for liberty and
the Constitution. Our 2nd amendment rights have been put in the hands
of George W. Bush.0 -
quote:To no one in particular: When someone constantly rips the NRA, and openly declares the NRA is their enemy, have they not become the friend of the anti 2nd Amendment gerbils, who , like it or not, see the NRA as THEIR main enemy? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." And so they aid the Bradys, etc. with their vehement condemnations. Better to support your choice and keep it to yourself than give comfort to the enemy.
Sorry..wrong again.
Better by FAR the enemy within be revealed for ALL to see..then to clasp the asp in a warm embrace, and allow others to think that ALL we gun owners are comfortable with gun laws...and eager for more, yet...
Allowing the gun-owning anti-gunners free reign to expound their anti-gun tripe without redress is deadly dangerous to the Republic.
I kept silent about the NRA for many years..until I gained enough wisdom to see the error of my ways. It is NEVER a bad thing to call out the snake in the grass for others to take warnings about.0 -
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves,
Did ghyre and gimble in the wabe,
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.0 -
I purely LOVE it when an opponent is reduced to baby gabbling. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fideau
Wow. Lot went on while I was gone. Expected it.
Does this make you "The Prognosticator", or just someone who got called on a post he made?
Vitriol attacks are about all some people can do and then smugly think they are defenders of freedom.
"Vitriol" (probably meant "vitriolic") attacks on a misguided point of view AND on a point of view with no meaningful or cogent response from "The Prognosticator".
The "attacks" you refer to were simply direct and harsh information about the NRA's actions in support of gun-control.
Focus on this point sir....It is about the NRA and what they have done and continue to do to ensure government regulation (read infringement) of the RTKBA.
I think ripping the NRA is about all they care about doing. Fact is, the NRA didn't form its Legislative Affairs Division until 1934. It was to INFORM members of attacks on the 2nd Amendment that was going on at the time so that THEY (the MEMBERS) could take action. The NRA did not directly lobby for legislation until 1975 when the Institute for Legislative Action was formed.
Don't recall anyone saying that the NRA lobbied back in the early days.
I do seem to recall postings about historical NRA "support" for gun-control, this goes back to at least the 30's where the organization took a position that imposing government infringements on full-autos was acceptable and I presume Constitutional.
After all, how could the vaunted NRA, the "staunch defenders of "your" Second Amendment Rights", support or accept any government action restricting the RTKBA, unless it was Constitutional?
I am quite sure that with the NRA on-board and supportive of this unconstitutional government infringement, the agreement/support from the NRA inevitably led to increased "citizen acceptance" and an increased confidence from the government that such unconstitutional infringements could be made and would be swallowed, IF the NRA's blessing was obtained.
Thus an unholy marriage was born and there has been no divorce, only a closer and more intimate relationship and increased cooperation.
It works like a well-oiled machine.
The comments on the NRA's escalating and continuing facilitation, support, compromise and relatively recent drafting of legislation, follow the early days of "support".
Whatever has happened since would have been far worse without them.
Really? You can offer some empirical, or other data to support this claim, or at least some direct and believable argument to that effect?
I'll wait with baited breath sir.
Actually I had not even read the respondent's comments and was not directing anything at him personally. I appreciate other's opinions, I see no reason to be obnoxious about it.
But I'm so happy I could bring some folks together by my little opinions so they could hug and snuggle each other in their dark little caves.
Really?
I very much like your slickly crafted and extremely sly inference, that those stepping up and arguing for individual liberty and for adherence to the US Constitution and its Bill of Rights are what....paranoid miscreants who are separate and apart from "civilized" and enlightened society?
Ouch, that really hurt. Particularly when accompanied with such pointed and hard-hitting factual information. All that "refuting" of the information posted about actual NRA actions sure puts me and my message in my place, huh?0 -
quote:Originally posted by fideau
To no one in particular: When someone constantly rips the NRA, and openly declares the NRA is their enemy, have they not become the friend of the anti 2nd Amendment gerbils, who , like it or not, see the NRA as THEIR main enemy?
Oooooh, THAT was profound.
Can you at least step up and have an educated, or at least an opinionated debate on the subject of the NRA's continuing COMPROMISE, SUPPORT, FACILITATION, and actual DRAFTING/ASSISTING in the DRAFTING of UNCONSTITUTIONAL GUN-CONTROL?????
Can we just do that, huh? Do you have anything, or is it a situation where your position related to the NRA is indefensible?
Let me ask you a serious question or two, so I can get a grip on where you are coming from.
Does Amendment II of the US Constitution's Bill of Rights restrict and restrain government from infringing on an American Citizens ability to purchase, own, carry and/or use firearms?
Does Amendment II provide for any government regulation/infringement of the above?
If so, what power does the the US Constitution and particularly Amendment II grant the government to regulate firearms, where is that government authority and/or power derived from and how far does that power go?
Most importantly, does Amendment II provide for the Citizens of America to take up arms against a tyrannical government?
If it does, how do you reconcile the NRA's actions and what appear to be your own positions, with Amendment II?
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." And so they aid the Bradys, etc. with their vehement condemnations. Better to support your choice and keep it to yourself than give comfort to the enemy.
SLFN-YOYO
Better to reveal the hidden enemy and to confront and vocalize the threat, than to strut around purporting to be a supporter and defender of the Constitution, all the while bending over for the anti-freedom crowd; all the while facilitating the sell-out of our basic freedoms.
That seems to be more in-line with "giving comfort to the enemy", but hey, what do I know.0 -
Capt'n;
You have taken the jaw of a Philistein and slew a thousand asses...ehrrrr..something like that...
In FINE form again tonight. Certainly a pleasure witnessing the straw men going up in flames again and again..but they just never tire of puting them back together.
I cannot understand WHY there is no understanding of what is clear as daylight to a discerning man...or even one that isn't.
WHY in Gods' name do people think that allowing governmental control over Libertys' Teeth is a GOOD thing ??????0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Capt'n;
You have taken the jaw of a Philistein and slew a thousand asses...ehrrrr..something like that...
[:D][:D]Highball, THAT was classic!
In FINE form again tonight. Certainly a pleasure witnessing the straw men going up in flames again and again..but they just never tire of puting them back together.
I cannot understand WHY there is no understanding of what is clear as daylight to a discerning man...or even one that isn't.
WHY in Gods' name do people think that allowing governmental control over Libertys' Teeth is a GOOD thing ??????
I wish that we could find the answer to that question.
Is it fear of having to truly be responsible for yourself, without the "safety-net" of government?
Is it the discomfort and/or fear that "someone" may do "something" bad if the government wasn't regulating access to things, behavior and thought?
Is it the though of free people running rampant through society, causing untold mayhem because there is no government restraint on their activity?
Is it the understanding that if an individual fails in life, that there is nobody to blame it on but themselves?
Regardless, such thought is certain to be the ultimate death of the Republic.0 -
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I'm sorry, Jabberwocky is a poem of nonsense written by Lewis Carrol. I really admire your dedication to your beliefs. However, ranting at anyone who doesn't think exactly as you is getting a little, well, irrational. I'm worried that so much hate and emotional display may lead to some serious health condition, or heaven forbid that you be HR 2640'd. Damn that NRA. Calm down. I made a real effort to not direct anything at any particular person. I only stated my opinion. I respect other's opinions. I think it presumptuous for someone to bend my words to their own prejudiced opinion. And don't worry, people who read your replies will certainly recognize you for what you are. I sincerely have enjoyed your critiques and your enlightened explanations of what I thought I meant. Thank you for your support of our 2nd. Amendment rights. Sorry for the lateness of getting this done but I do not sit by waiting for a chance to wax philosophic all the time, I just check in now and then. Thanks again for mentioning the NRA so much, it helps to remind people it is GUN BROKER supported also. 0 -
Regardless of how you armchair generals feel about how the NRA screwed you or everyone you know; there is STILL an NRA-titled place out there that has ZERO political/financial ties to the NRA and demands your support; the NRA Whittington Center!
It is the largest, most beautiful, well-organized, spacious group of ranges you've ever dreamed about. 33,000 acres of private land with over 25 ranges for all disciplines, housing for competitors, gunsmithing services nearby, an airport 2 miles down the road, and ALL OF IT FUNDED BY REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
This year's events include the FCSA matches, FAL FEST in May/June, ISSA Regional Schutzenfest, STC Spring Regionals, Rocky Mt. Palma, NRA Creedmore Nationals, Wyoming Schutzen Championships, NRA BPCR Nationals, World Creedmore, Rocky Mt. 3-gun, Spirit of America World Match, and Jeff Cooper's Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Shoot, along with hunting opportunities and camraderie.
They receive ZERO FUNDING from NRA and depend on dedicated shooting enthusiasts to meet their financial obligations.
So please, regardless of how you feel about the NRA, GOA, SAF, or any other organization; pony up some fundage for this fantastic facility now, or let the kids play with the gangbangers tomorrow.
Their web addy is http://www.nrawc.org0 -
quote:Originally posted by fideau
I'm sorry, Jabberwocky is a poem of nonsense written by Lewis Carrol. I really admire your dedication to your beliefs. However, ranting at anyone who doesn't think exactly as you is getting a little, well, irrational. I'm worried that so much hate and emotional display may lead to some serious health condition, or heaven forbid that you be HR 2640'd. Damn that NRA. Calm down. I made a real effort to not direct anything at any particular person. I only stated my opinion. I respect other's opinions. I think it presumptuous for someone to bend my words to their own prejudiced opinion. And don't worry, people who read your replies will certainly recognize you for what you are. I sincerely have enjoyed your critiques and your enlightened explanations of what I thought I meant. Thank you for your support of our 2nd. Amendment rights. Sorry for the lateness of getting this done but I do not sit by waiting for a chance to wax philosophic all the time, I just check in now and then. Thanks again for mentioning the NRA so much, it helps to remind people it is GUN BROKER supported also.
Still no substantive response on the "ISSUE".
Go figure.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gunnut505
Regardless of how you armchair generals feel about how the NRA screwed you or everyone you know; there is STILL an NRA-titled place out there that has ZERO political/financial ties to the NRA and demands your support; the NRA Whittington Center!
It is the largest, most beautiful, well-organized, spacious group of ranges you've ever dreamed about. 33,000 acres of private land with over 25 ranges for all disciplines, housing for competitors, gunsmithing services nearby, an airport 2 miles down the road, and ALL OF IT FUNDED BY REGULAR PEOPLE LIKE ME.
This year's events include the FCSA matches, FAL FEST in May/June, ISSA Regional Schutzenfest, STC Spring Regionals, Rocky Mt. Palma, NRA Creedmore Nationals, Wyoming Schutzen Championships, NRA BPCR Nationals, World Creedmore, Rocky Mt. 3-gun, Spirit of America World Match, and Jeff Cooper's Theodore Roosevelt Memorial Shoot, along with hunting opportunities and camraderie.
They receive ZERO FUNDING from NRA and depend on dedicated shooting enthusiasts to meet their financial obligations.
So please, regardless of how you feel about the NRA, GOA, SAF, or any other organization; pony up some fundage for this fantastic facility now, or let the kids play with the gangbangers tomorrow.
Their web addy is http://www.nrawc.org
I will address the bold and underlined statement first. You guys just don't get it, or you choose NOT to get it.
This isn't about how the NRA "screwed" me or how the NRA "screwed" everyone I know. It is about their consistent compromise, facilitation, support and sometimes drafting of anti-Constitution firearms laws and legislation. It is ABOUT the erosion of our Constitution and our Individual Freedoms...this includes you too sir.....get it?
Now, off to the Whittington Center. I've never been there. As a member, can I just go and enjoy the amenities and/or hunt on it, or is it reserved for fancy shooting professionals and shooting-teams and for Chris, Wayne, John and their big-money chums to use and hunt on?
This type range activity is the NRA doing what it does reasonably well, but it doesn't detract from their other, insidious gun-control activities.
I just attended our local "Friends of NRA" Committee banquet/event last weekend. That foundation raises money for range development and youth firearms education programs. None of that money goes to other (legislative) sections of the NRA either. In fact most of it stays in the respective state for its direct use in the above areas.
I was a local committee member for years, but dropped out when I saw that most of the stuff that the national "Friends of NRA" Organization bought for the silent and live auctions and for the various prizes, was cheap crap made in China. Yeah, even stuff representing important American Freedoms....made in China. The Sponsor Statues....made in China.
I still go an have a nice dinner and play the raffles and games for firearms though.
So, now that we acknowledged that the NRA has some functions that are separate from the active gun-control wing and do some "good" things. Does this cancel out their support, facilitation, compromise and other actions that erode Amendment II?
What now?0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Is it fear of having to truly be responsible for yourself, without the "safety-net" of government?
I think you nailed it right here Captain.0
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