What is this #ed canary asses?
Is this the next best thing since the NeoJedi clan that departed a few years ago?
Just curious because I really don't know.
Council of the canary asses? Is it a secret militia movement?
It will be answered here-
Just curious because I really don't know.
Council of the canary asses? Is it a secret militia movement?
It will be answered here-
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HB,
I don't know where you live, but where I live our rights have been very much infringed on. I would like to come where you are if things are so great there!!![;)]
I feel a need to change this, fight these infringements. I personally have not excepted this infringement as you have.[:(]
Just out of curiosity, what exactly have you done to try and get some relief from these infringements in your live time?????[?](other than rant and insult those who are on your side)
You have truly lost touch with reality and/or are not paying attention to what is going on on this site if you think myself and Obama would get along.
You can insult me all you want and make false accusations about me all you want. It won't change a thing in my life or yours. But, as usual, it is very entertaining.[;)]0 -
Done whining yet ?
Heard me insult or castigate the Canary Asses ? Nope..and you won't.
These are men that have faced their inner demons..and whipped them. These are men willing to...and DO..every DAY..spit in the eye of the Beast. They do it on these forums...they do it as individuals..standing firm against those they interact with daily.
As, Sir, do I. We do not preach a false doctrine..we do not advocate compromise to to some false 'reality' that we are supposed to march to.
We do not go in front of school children and teach that the Second Amendment has limits set by government FOR government. You never mention that loudly to those ignorant young minds..yet it is implied EVERY TIME you speak on the subject.
Better you and yours keep SILENT concerning the Constitution...for you teach out of a tortured version of it.
Sad...so VERY sad.0 -
You nailed that one HB. What you are doing is truly SAD! I would expect more from someone of your life experience and vintage, other than this constant complaining about everyone, and everything!!![V] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
You nailed that one HB. What you are doing is truly SAD! I would expect more from someone of your life experience and vintage, other than this constant complaining about everyone, and everything!!![V]
There is a difference between "complaining" and pointing out the truth.
You don't like the truth, so be it. That fact doesn't make your "opinion" correct. Those words of the second amendment are written in stone. At least until the amendment is struck from the BOR's through the AMENDMENT process. They can pass all the laws they like, they are STILL unconstitutional. Your preference to see such laws, doesn't magically make them constitutional.
Jimmy boy, IMO, you are JUST as "liberal" as president elect "O".0 -
Free,
You just don't get it do you. I AGREE WITH HB AS TO THE CURRENT STATE OF AFAIRS!!! I don't agree with the way he is dealing with it. To rant, rave, and insult all those who do not say 'Yes sir, you are totally right sir' to him is BS.
Stop the BS and do something about it. HB has said he is not going to do anything but wait for things to go the hell in a hand bag and then pick up the pieces. Well I for one am totally fed up with this attitude. We need to do everything we can to fight this erosion of our rights with in our legal means FIRST. HB has said he is not willing to do this, and apparently his 'followers' believe the same.
If so, set back, SHUT UP, and let us try to save this mess. If we fail, then you step in and do what you feel is necessary. If we fail, believe me there will be many who will be need to fight back.
In other words 'LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY'![:(!]
By the way if you consider me a liberal you have truly lose touch with reality, and have NO credibility with anyone other than others who have also lost touch with reality![V]0 -
Jim,
I personally have never said "yes sir, I agree with everything you say sir" to Highball.
Highball is not a god figure to any of us as far as I know.
The only thing I have ever said personally expressing admiration, was to acknowledge Highball, LT496, Pickenup, and a couple others for taking me that remaining 10% of the way that I had to go to see the full truth.
I actually was somewhat like you in how I went about things before.
I figured the mantra of holding them off for as long as possible was a legitimate way of doing things.
It is not. With every new unconstitutional regulation that is passed,.....it further erodes the true meaning of the Constitution in the majorities minds.
Little by little, our rights are being whittled away at, and being turned into "privileges."
People are beginning to feel that these intrusions are legitimate, and fair.
So often these laws are fronted with the infamous saying. "if it saves the life of just one child, it is worth it!"
What a lead in! No normal person wants to see an innocent child killed.
Over and over it has been demonstrated that these illegal measures do not even accomplish what they are intended to do.
They simply add another hoop to the obstacle course that free American citizens must jump through to be able to have their "rights."
At this point your rights have been taken away and turned into a privilege once more,......most just don't realize it.
In a nutshell, that is what the plan is.
Make us forget that we had the rights in the first place, and now consider them privileges that can be modified at the whim of the elitist politicos.
That is NOT the way it was meant to work.0 -
Marc,
You seen to have forget one of the 'steps'. In many places the 'right' was completely taken away, it was not even to the status of a 'privilege'. It was completely outlawed (CCW, even possession of a gun). Enter those who said this is not acceptable. (Quit literly everyone who owns a gun or wants to own/carry a gun). Now to you and your 'associates' you think these laws should be completely repealed and there should be NO restrictions on the 'right'. Well I have news for you, I agree with you!! But I am a realist! The 'ideal' you are 'demanding' WILL NOT HAPPEN in one step. BUT if you move from total denial of the right to a 'privilege' (permits), again I agree with you is still a violation of the 'right', it is a step in the RIGHT direction. None of us are Superman (Except For HB[}:)]) so we have to proceed up this 'hill' a step at a time. We can't do it in one big leap!!
So if we wish to accomplish any of our goals, to have the 'right' recognized as a 'right' we have to convince MANY people to see it our way. These 'steps' I see us taking (and you do not) are part and parcel of an education process we MUST under take to get a majority of the people, of whom most are idiots, to see thing our way.
If you thing your way is the ONLY way to you are wrong. As the saying goes 'There is more than one way to skin a cat'.
You and your 'associates' taking this ridged stance remind me many other organizations who have no creditability except with other members of the organization, I will not name them, but I think you can figure it out!!![;)]
PS: Marc, yes you have said it, maybe not in those exact words, but you said it![}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Jim,
I actually was somewhat like you in how I went about things before.
I figured the mantra of holding them off for as long as possible was a legitimate way of doing things.
It is not. With every new unconstitutional regulation that is passed,.....it further erodes the true meaning of the Constitution in the majorities minds.
Little by little, our rights are being whittled away at, and being turned into "privileges."
People are beginning to feel that these intrusions are legitimate, and fair.
So often these laws are fronted with the infamous saying. "if it saves the life of just one child, it is worth it!"
What a lead in! No normal person wants to see an innocent child killed.
Over and over it has been demonstrated that these illegal measures do not even accomplish what they are intended to do.
They simply add another hoop to the obstacle course that free American citizens must jump through to be able to have their "rights."
At this point your rights have been taken away and turned into a privilege once more,......most just don't realize it.
In a nutshell, that is what the plan is.
Make us forget that we had the rights in the first place, and now consider them privileges that can be modified at the whim of the elitist politicos.
That is NOT the way it was meant to work.
In blue above - perfectly stated, marc. In a couple of generations at the current rate, the few that understand the difference between privilege and right will no longer exist. Every new liberalized CCW law further entrenches that mentality. The only true victory in the battle for our rights is the elimination, not the modification of laws. Any other goal is simply a delaying action.0 -
Don,
If you think you will see this 'victory' you want you are going to be very disappointed!! You are thinking in 'ideal' terms, not 'real' terms. In the real world it just is not going to come to pass as long as you refuse to work with others to accomplish this goal/'victory'!!![V]
As long as you and your associates stay in complete denial you will help no one. But I guess this is a fact of human nature we can't deny.
FACT: To survive in this world we MUST evolve. Improvise, adapt, and OVERCOME! You will not OVERCOME the problems we are encountering if you refuse to work at it. Your ridged, non bending stance prevents this, thus you will lose your battle. Just look at history, don't take my word for it!!![V]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Don,
If you think you will see this 'victory' you want you are going to be very disappointed!! You are thinking in 'ideal' terms, not 'real' terms. In the real world it just is not going to come to pass as long as you refuse to work with others to accomplish this goal/'victory'!!![V]
As long as you and your associates stay in complete denial you will help no one. But I guess this is a fact of human nature we can't deny.
FACT: To survive in this world we MUST evolve. Improvise, adapt, and OVERCOME! You will not OVERCOME the problems we are encountering if you refuse to work at it. Your ridged, non bending stance prevents this, thus you will lose your battle. Just look at history, don't take my word for it!!![V]
Jim:
When they take their eyes off the true goal, people tend to lose sight of it.
Accepting restrictions simply because they are reality today will ensure that they are reality tomorrow as well. I know damn well I will not live to see the day of what I believe to be ideal. If that ideal is not kept alive, however, no generation of Americans will ever see it come to pass.
What could possibly be wrong with criticizing the NRA and its apologists for heralding the Heller case as a great victory? It is a victory on one front, but a total defeat at the flanks. It did, as has been stated endlessly (and will be endlessly stated until corrected) codify licensing, registration, and type ban 'regulations'. This is exactly to what marc refers. The Heller decision simply reworded the 2nd to state that the RTKABA can not be denied in totality. It went on to say that it can be legislated out the wazzoo, thus the right has become a privilege, regardless of how Kennedy decided it should be written.
The best response of the court, given the end product, would have been to refuse the case. The D.C. ban would have been revoked as written by the appelate court, and these new 'Constitutional' legislative tools would not have been invented.
This is the perfect example of how a compromised solution sets back the cause. That, my friend, is reality, and way too many gun owners have refused to recognize it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Don,
If you think you will see this 'victory' you want you are going to be very disappointed!! You are thinking in 'ideal' terms, not 'real' terms. In the real world it just is not going to come to pass as long as you refuse to work with others to accomplish this goal/'victory'!!![V]
As long as you and your associates stay in complete denial you will help no one. But I guess this is a fact of human nature we can't deny.
FACT: To survive in this world we MUST evolve. Improvise, adapt, and OVERCOME! You will not OVERCOME the problems we are encountering if you refuse to work at it. Your ridged, non bending stance prevents this, thus you will lose your battle. Just look at history, don't take my word for it!!![V]
Jim:
When they take their eyes off the true goal, people tend to lose sight of it.
Accepting restrictions simply because they are reality today will ensure that they are reality tomorrow as well. I know damn well I will not live to see the day of what I believe to be ideal. If that ideal is not kept alive, however, no generation of Americans will ever see it come to pass.
What could possibly be wrong with criticizing the NRA and its apologists for heralding the Heller case as a great victory? It is a victory on one front, but a total defeat at the flanks. It did, as has been stated endlessly (and will be endlessly stated until corrected) codify licensing, registration, and type ban 'regulations'. This is exactly to what marc refers. The Heller decision simply reworded the 2nd to state that the RTKABA can not be denied in totality. It went on to say that it can be legislated out the wazzoo, thus the right has become a privilege, regardless of how Kennedy decided it should be written.
The best response of the court, given the end product, would have been to refuse the case. The D.C. ban would have been revoked as written by the appelate court, and these new 'Constitutional' legislative tools would not have been invented.
This is the perfect example of how a compromised solution sets back the cause. That, my friend, is reality, and way too many gun owners have refused to recognize it.
Actually there is a whole lot of sense, especially in the last two paragraphs above. Howeever, as so often happens, the logic isn't taken far enough. Had the Heller case not made it to the Supreme Court, another gun rights case would have. And since it is now likely that the Supreme Court will soon be packed by liberals thanks to Obama, it is a sure bet that we gun people would have been even more unhappy with the SCOTUS decision because we would not have gotten the decision that firearm ownership was indeed an indivdual right.. Under the circumstances, that single fact may be what saves gun rights in America. That simple fact put a major roadblock in the was for any politicians or political groups wanting to totally ban firearms. LIke it on not, argue about it all day, that roadblock was/is a major win for gun rights; especially considering how badly we gun people would have fared in another couple of years before the Supreme Court and a gun rights case.0 -
Don,
I have NEVER lost sight of the goal!! But I did learn it will take MANY people of the same beliefs to achieve any thing close to this goal. And you will not win people over to your way of thinking by acting like a flaming AH, and treating others as AH's and as your 'inferior subordinate' as many do here![V]
1. I don't 'except' the restrictions. I keep working to lessen them. Hopefully to eliminate them.
2. The Heller decision is not a set back. Granted it did not go far enough. But the court can only rule on the SPECIFIC issues in the case they are considering. It will REQUIRE much more litigation to resolve these issues, which sucks, but this is reality![:(]
Don, reference the above. I am not referring to 'you' as an individual when I was referring to the flaming AH, but to the conduct of some here.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Don,
I have NEVER lost sight of the goal!! But I did learn it will take MANY people of the same beliefs to achieve any thing close to this goal. And you will not win people over to your way of thinking by acting like a flaming AH, and treating others as AH's and as your 'inferior subordinate' as many do here![V]
1. I don't 'except' the restrictions. I keep working to lessen them. Hopefully to eliminate them.
2. The Heller decision is not a set back. Granted it did not go far enough. But the court can only rule on the SPECIFIC issues in the case they are considering. It will REQUIRE much more litigation to resolve these issues, which sucks, but this is reality![:(]
That's, "accept" no?
You're only inferior because you choose to be; Keep your back straight and your eyes open only open your mouth half as much as your ears.
I do not 'reject?' your spoken "reality" of course we must obey laws to a degree if only to sleep at home.
I am beginning to see a pattern between you and tr, I believe there is a similar display in marrow density which is next to null.0 -
plumber,
If you think so little of me why do you care what I think or say?
Do you just like being an Internet bully because you are somewhat inadequate in person??[;)]
For your comments to have any effect what so ever on me would require me to have some respect for you and your opinion, which I do not. If you can't act like a responsible intelligent mature adult why do you even try and participate in a discussion with those who are mature responsible and intelligent??[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
plumber,
If you think so little of me why do you care what I think or say?
Do you just like being an Internet bully because you are somewhat inadequate in person??[;)]
For your comments to have any effect what so ever on me would require me to have some respect for you and your opinion, which I do not. If you can't act like a responsible intelligent mature adult why do you even try and participate in a discussion with those who are mature responsible and intelligent??[:)]
Sad truth is jim, you're in a lot better position by my account than 70% of most Americans. Simple reason being that at least you are fed by something other than msnbc, abc, pbs, cnn, nbc, fox, you are competent enough to reach out or to be reached out to on this here dandy forum and others I would assume. This here neu fangled internets is a very powerful tool, much more powerful than any steel weapon. I never said I didn't like you, I have in fact demonstrated that I see your views as being wrong. I don't know why you would conclude I am a bully, I have overcome my inadequacy by riding a cr500
sorry I aint intelluhjent enuff for ya LOL!111
Keep it real jim + stay informed. I suggest www.blacklistednews.com as a start.0 -
plumber,
Well maybe because 'bullies' resort to insults and name calling to try and intimate those whom they disagree with. I do believe this the behavior you demonstrated above, is it not??
(My edit)
NOT singling you out Jim, just happens to be your post.
Name calling reference has been removed.
Discuss intelligently, or not at all.
This applies to ALL.0 -
STOP the name calling.
This applies to EVERYONE!!!
Thread locked because of it.0
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