Whatchagonna DO ?
Well ..the subject continues to grow. Perhaps it is time to advance another step.
Scenario;
The country has sunk into a deep depression. There are roving bands of criminals and assorted thugs ..plundering and killing and burning nearly at will. The government has retreated to the bigger cities ..lack of manpower compelling them to limit their areas of control.
The police are outgunned and out manned ..and many on the take. There are none within 30 miles of your retreat...and they won't come anyway.
You have established your 160 acres with a group of like-minded individuals ..men chosen carefully for their abilities and belief in the Constitution.
You have had several brushes with the local bike gang...murdering thugs that exist by praying on others...some have been shot, as your men protected themselves.
They are systematically working their way towards your retreat...leaving broken and dead people in their wake.
The next neighbor over is completely opposed to you and your armed group...guns are an evil thing, you see. His hundred acres is a nice place ..he keeps chickens, a few steers, and a hog or two. Nice guy ..as long as guns are not the topic.
Five days ago, your OP watches as the biker gang roars into his yard ..and shortly afterwards, they watch as a steer is slaughtered and devoured by the gang. The gang appears to be settling in for perhaps the winter ..its getting cold, nights, and there appears to be plenty of food there.
There are groups of bikers leaving ..they come back loaded with booty.
Your neighbor had previously refused your offer of lending a hand in just such a case .."nobody needs guns".
Now ..in his last, desperate attempt to stay alive, he is aiding and abetting the enemy. Your outpost sees him busily butchering the steers, the chickens...as his wife unwillingly becomes the center of the show .
His refusal to allow any aid in his own defense has dictated that he WILL be subject to the lowest dregs of society.
The question is;
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ?
Scenario;
The country has sunk into a deep depression. There are roving bands of criminals and assorted thugs ..plundering and killing and burning nearly at will. The government has retreated to the bigger cities ..lack of manpower compelling them to limit their areas of control.
The police are outgunned and out manned ..and many on the take. There are none within 30 miles of your retreat...and they won't come anyway.
You have established your 160 acres with a group of like-minded individuals ..men chosen carefully for their abilities and belief in the Constitution.
You have had several brushes with the local bike gang...murdering thugs that exist by praying on others...some have been shot, as your men protected themselves.
They are systematically working their way towards your retreat...leaving broken and dead people in their wake.
The next neighbor over is completely opposed to you and your armed group...guns are an evil thing, you see. His hundred acres is a nice place ..he keeps chickens, a few steers, and a hog or two. Nice guy ..as long as guns are not the topic.
Five days ago, your OP watches as the biker gang roars into his yard ..and shortly afterwards, they watch as a steer is slaughtered and devoured by the gang. The gang appears to be settling in for perhaps the winter ..its getting cold, nights, and there appears to be plenty of food there.
There are groups of bikers leaving ..they come back loaded with booty.
Your neighbor had previously refused your offer of lending a hand in just such a case .."nobody needs guns".
Now ..in his last, desperate attempt to stay alive, he is aiding and abetting the enemy. Your outpost sees him busily butchering the steers, the chickens...as his wife unwillingly becomes the center of the show .
His refusal to allow any aid in his own defense has dictated that he WILL be subject to the lowest dregs of society.
The question is;
WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ?
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Like I said HB, I will use my resources wisely. If you know my bio you will understand!![;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
Rack,, I thought the question was what to do after the "bikers" showed up.
That was the question this time, but our previous.....disagreement....came from a perception of what would transpire before we found ourselves in such a situation.
Highball has clearly stated his position, and I find it matches well with mine.0 -
I would immediately take action against the gang regardless of my neighbor's transgressions towards firearms. This reason is simple. Much like predators to prey, the gang flocks toward areas where they can find food and supplies. If actions are not taken, it will cause an increase of more gang members to migrate toward my neighbors land. As of right now, this is only a small portion of what could be a larger gang. As they are right now, they would be much easier for my men to handle. If precautions are not taken, not only will they devour all of OUR resources but they will move deeper into my territory hoping to find more supplies. Gangs are like infections, you got to take them out early before they grow and spread.
Personally, I would issue them a warning that if they do not leave there would be met with violent opposition. If they persist, my militia will take them ALL out. One must remember that if a survivor happens to make it out alive, he WILL come back with more men with more weapons. It would be wiser to take them out early and rid the town of any evidence that they were there.
As for my neighbors beliefs.He will get over it. I am not going to put my family in danger because he wants to be a pacifist.0 -
Oh yeah,
I probably won't use firearms either to take out the gang members.
I would simply poison the food they were stealing.
It would conserve ammo, be safer for my men, it wouldn't draw attention, and easier for cleanup.
Guns are meant for handling unexpected conflicts at unexpected times in unexpected places. My strike would be pre-meditated and well calculated.0 -
Take advantage of the situation to eliminate real problems? Might be a lofty goal.
I mean it would be a shame if a roving band got shumer, feinstein, pelosi etc type of people. when things settle these people will certainly use the situation to their advantage, of course.0 -
Retreat in force, discretely to an alternative temporary location. "Salt" your house/property so that it is not liveable to some degree. Find some way to arrange for any sort of intoxicating beverage to be found in time. When these bas*$#%s are holed up in the winter, attack at night. Wipe them out to a man. You can't negotiate with this type and can run and hide only so long. You have to face them sooner or later but you want to manipulate circumstances so that it is done on your terms. This is purely hypothetical and I am not saying it would work. But, if such a scenario came to fruition, you wouldn't have a choice. Succeed or die because you will be on your own. 0 -
Using only the scenario as set forth.
We would wait til they went out pillaging and attack those who stayed. Then the returning parties would be ambushed and sniped. Attacking them while they are in smaller groups give us an advantage.
To let a known enemy close and not take offensive action only means that they will attack you at a time best for them.
As to the neighbor and his wife. I would try my best to keep them unharmed but the main goal here is to protect my group and insure their survival.0 -
I would invite them to a barBque "Beef Ribs". And speak to them about the wonders of the Koran, and Sheep hearding. Then I would bellydance for them , and hypnotize them with my belly button peircing ! Then they would tend my fields as slave bikers. [:D] 0
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