Obama has Just Announced his Deadly War On Gun Own
Obama has Just Announced his Deadly New War On Gun Owners
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All right, Jim;
Now will you get off my back for being abrasive ?
Naturally...I intend to keep working on you about the full auto hangup you have..but someone like me is necessary in the scheme of things.
I have a pretty thick skin..so being hated by a sizeable portion of the population is just part of it.
Naturally, one would like to be loved by all...but the huge drift from Constitutional principles, and the swallowing of that drift by most, precludes any such.0 -
OK HB![;)]
Merry Christmas and
Happy New Year![:)]
I hope we don't see the need for blood letting in the new year![V]0 -
JR;
Back at you. Have a simple splendid Merry Christmas and New Years.
Time will tell about the rest of it.
By the way...you have become, for a while now, one of the cast of charactors that I would enjoy meeting for chow and a bit of adult beverages.0 -
Like wise, I'll put you on the my list too, right next to Jeff!!![;)] 0 -
was mcain really that bad? where do u find that info.
he is not into the same gun control as obama. who knows how it wouldve been, we will know however soon how its gonna be. I wont give an inch to those commies.0 -
quote:Originally posted by therockguy
was mcain really that bad? where do u find that info.
he is not into the same gun control as obama. who knows how it wouldve been, we will know however soon how its gonna be. I wont give an inch to those commies.
I think someone open a can of worms![}:)]
Wait for it![;)]0 -
It's sad but if you did not vote for Mccain, then you don't deserve the Right to bear arms.
By allowing Obama to win, we WILL PERMANENTLY lose most of our gun rights.
Say goodbye to hi-caps and "assault" style weapons. Hope is dead.
We lost, the American dream is dead and nothing can be done to stop it or fix it. Your children will never know what it was like. It is over.
McCain sucked, he did not get the votes...but we failed to stop Obama becoming our leader just like Germany failed to stop Hitler becoming their leader.
Those who voted against McCain were ignorantly collaborating with Obama without knowing it. Those who stayed home and did not vote did as well. The Change we can believe in is a change to fascism and we all just let it happen.0 -
quote:Posted - 12/27/2008 : 12:58:00 PM
It's sad but if you did not vote for Mccain, then you don't deserve the Right to bear arms.
There ARE indeed people in this country unfit to keep and bear arms..120 million of them.
Those are the people that lined up to vote obamacain. A single vote for EITHER of those candidates is enough to cause a REAL American to vomit.
There is ignorance;
Then there is stupidity.
Stupidity is claiming that somehow mccain is better then the other guy. A gun controller is a gun controller ..I recognize no `degrees' of `good' versus `bad' when it comes to that subject.
Either you are an American ..OR YOU ARE NOT !!!
Americans do NOT vote for gun control...and mccain is a gun controller.
You may keep you shallow thinking to yourself, concerning whom to vote for ..for it is obvious that thinking is foreign to you.0 -
I agree with you highball that neither was a good canidate, but you gotta be a fool to go with Obama, and your vote doesnt really count if you dont vote republican or democrat(something I would like to see change) but perhaps obama will be better due to the fact that he will be worse. I hope they make a stupid gun grab attempt so we can fix this whole mess, we keep inching closer and closer to giving up our rights to liberty alltogether, we need to take the ground back. the democrats want to see the American civilian disarmed, then what keeps them from tyranny once we have no means of defending our freedom
dont give a f^^^^^^^ inch to those commie socialist liberal fascist meanies.0 -
quote:Posted - 12/28/2008 : 01:24:08 AM
I agree with you highball that neither was a good canidate, but you gotta be a fool to go with Obama, and your vote doesnt really count if you dont vote republican or democrat
When both candidates are nearly alike ..what possible difference can YOUR vote make ?
The absolute FACT is...there is no such thing as a `little gun control' ..Either a person believes in the Second Amendment...or he DOESN'T !!
Looking about at the ruins of the Constitution, it is a far better thing for the country to have the worst possible candidate elected ..and have him tear apart things faster and more thoroughly...then the one that will do it a bit slower.
You fence sitters will never support the Constitution until you are FORCED to.
That forcing cannot come from us, the remnant people ..the people that never left those principles...but must come from those in power by their lust for unending power.
We can do nothing at this time except keep in front of you the promise that the Constitution holds for a free people.
That is our bulwark against tyranny ..against the monsters in power today...and the utter degradation that tomorrows `leaders' intend for the people of America.
The people you SHOULD be listening to today ARE the `third party voters'...or those who REFUSED to vote for corruption IN ANY FORM.
ANY counsel from an obamacain voter needs to be scrutinized to the smallest detail...for they have PROVEN their inability to think logically.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Posted - 12/28/2008 : 01:24:08 AM
I agree with you highball that neither was a good canidate, but you gotta be a fool to go with Obama, and your vote doesnt really count if you dont vote republican or democrat
When both candidates are nearly alike ..what possible difference can YOUR vote make ?
The absolute FACT is...there is no such thing as a `little gun control' ..Either a person believes in the Second Amendment...or he DOESN'T !!
Looking about at the ruins of the Constitution, it is a far better thing for the country to have the worst possible candidate elected ..and have him tear apart things faster and more thoroughly...then the one that will do it a bit slower.
You fence sitters will never support the Constitution until you are FORCED to.
That forcing cannot come from us, the remnant people ..the people that never left those principles...but must come from those in power by their lust for unending power.
We can do nothing at this time except keep in front of you the promise that the Constitution holds for a free people.
That is our bulwark against tyranny ..against the monsters in power today...and the utter degradation that tomorrows `leaders' intend for the people of America.
The people you SHOULD be listening to today ARE the `third party voters'...or those who REFUSED to vote for corruption IN ANY FORM.
ANY counsel from an obamacain voter needs to be scrutinized to the smallest detail...for they have PROVEN their inability to think logically.
Naivety, Your ideas are wrong as WE NOW are in our darkest hour. Proof your statement is foolish at best and almost treasonous at worst. (I know your not a traitor but not understanding the reality of the horror, please understand my point we are on the same side)
1. McCain would NOT have signed the "Assault Weapon" Ban
2. Fuhrer Obama will sign the "Assault Weapon" Ban
1.a HE WILL MAKE IT PERMANENT!
Do you understand....3rd party means nothing now...you can't undue permanent in REAL LIFE.
3. McCain had no interest in MICROSTAMPING
4. Obama WILL bring about MICROSTAMPING. That means if you own a Firearm that uses rare ammo (Like my C96 or my 9MM steyr ) then it's now a paperweight. Microstamping will outlaw all foreign surplus ammo for those obsolete firearms.
I don't believe in pixies or elves or the easterbunny, i don't believe you actually think 3rd party candidates will win. I'll explain why.
1. The democrats are united, a hive minded herd.
2. We on the Right are not united, Some are pro-Drug, some anti-drug, same with Abortion, same with War. We are only united by Guns, and taxes loosely.
A third party candidate will never win the right as some issues like drugs,abortion,war and other issues divide us.
YOU need to start thinking like your fighting for your survival, because you were and you failed. We all failed. Obama won and now we WILL have rights taken away Permanently.
It's not about picking your favorite, thats a childish fantasy no politician is anything but scum. It's about defeating the guy who will do the most damage.
We sow what we reap and now we will watch our rights erode away for nothing. I DON"T care about your beliefs and I'm sure you don't care about mine...but we are in the same boat now paddling with our hands as we plunge down the waterfall..0 -
quote:but we are in the same boat now paddling with our hands as we plunge down the waterfall..
Sorry ;
We exist in vastly different `boats'.
MY boat is staffed with men. Men that have looked the Beast in the eye, and spit in that eye.
Bring on the bans. Ban ALL weapons, Mr. And Mrs. America, turn `em all in.
We will not submit.
Your writings have been interspersed with the hopelessness of the NRA.
You all live under the iron heel...trembling in fear that boot will descend and crush the life out of you.
Your boat is staffed by the nras `stalwarts' of the country ..third-rate politicians not smart enough to make it in a REAL election..so they take money from you so they can rub shoulders with the rich and powerful they so desperately wish they could be....
You look at the coming gun bans and say "Well ..that's it ..I did my best" as you take up needlework.
We that will fight say......."MOLON LABE" !!!!!!0 -
originally posted by Yogsoggy:
1. McCain would NOT have signed the "Assault Weapon" Ban
Is that a fact? He, McCain, stated in a well known California newspaper that he would sign an AWB.
2. Fuhrer Obama will sign the "Assault Weapon" Ban
1.a HE WILL MAKE IT PERMANENT!
Do you understand....3rd party means nothing now...you can't undue permanent in REAL LIFE.
Maybe he will, and maybe it may be permanent. I'll cover the solution to that later in this post.
3. McCain had no interest in MICROSTAMPING
Really? Let me guess; he said he has no interest in it, so therefore, if he said it, it must be true. Is that how it works? It must be so, because a Republican is incapable of lying, right?
4. Obama WILL bring about MICROSTAMPING. That means if you own a Firearm that uses rare ammo (Like my C96 or my 9MM steyr ) then it's now a paperweight. Microstamping will outlaw all foreign surplus ammo for those obsolete firearms.
RCBS
I don't believe in pixies or elves or the easterbunny,
Yet you believe McCain was somehow 'good' for the Constitution. In the words of a fellow brother, Go Figure.
i don't believe you actually think 3rd party candidates will win. I'll explain why.
1. The democrats are united, a hive minded herd.
2. We on the Right are not united, Some are pro-Drug, some anti-drug, same with Abortion, same with War. We are only united by Guns, and taxes loosely.
You are correct. We are not united. Some of us believe 100% in the Constitution, and others do not. Some gun owners are actually anti-RTKBA.
A third party candidate will never win the right as some issues like drugs,abortion,war and other issues divide us.
YOU need to start thinking like your fighting for your survival,
Oh, believe me, I am. Not only that, but I firmly believe I was fighting for the survival of this Republic and individual liberty as well, hence, I could not vote for McCain.
because you were and you failed. We all failed.
You got that wrong. Do not lump me and a few others in with the 120 million that voted against the Constitution in November.
Obama won and now we WILL have rights taken away Permanently.
You need to speak for yourself, for you certainly do not speak for everyone. Government neither grants rights nor do they take them. Rights only disappear when they are handed over on a platter by the citizens. So far, the majority seem content to relinquish them.
It's not about picking your favorite, thats a childish fantasy no politician is anything but scum. It's about defeating the guy who will do the most damage.
No, it is simply about doing what is right. It is called putting priniciple ahead of popularity. It is about the refusal to compromise. It is about keeping one's integrity intact. It is about making your own decision, rather than have others do it for you. It is about being an individual, not a collectivist.
We sow what we reap and now we will watch our rights erode away for nothing.
I believe you meant 'reap what we sow', and yes, we do. Unfortunately, those of us who chose to do what is best for the Republic must also partake in the bitter harvest; a harvest which was sown by not only those who voted for Obama, but also the almost 60 million who voted for McCain.
I DON"T care about your beliefs and I'm sure you don't care about mine...but we are in the same boat now paddling with our hands as we plunge down the waterfall..
You do not have to stay in that boat, and go over the falls. However, take the plunge if you will. Hand over your rights if you wish. Accept whatever infringements may come. So be it.
I'll take my chances in the water, hanging onto the rocks if necessary, and swimming against the current.0 -
quote:We sow what we reap and now we will watch our rights erode away for nothing.
Firedude ; Beautiful. Well said, and my deepest thanks.
The only thing is...this guy has it right ..in spite of the fact he didn't mean what he said.
We live in a world of hybrid seeds. When one attempts to harvest the seeds, and replant them next spring...a curious thing happens.
These seeds are not the seeds of our fathers ..not Heritage seeds. They do not germinate well...and mostly the plants are sterile ..they bear no fruit. What fruit that is born is often a twisted caricature of the original healthy fruit...
What a splendid example of american males, today.....sterile hybrids of those magnificent bastarrds ..those giants of men ..the Founders.
The poster has it absolutely correct ..all without the slightest knowledge of the subject of which he speaks.0 -
Good point.[;)]
I had not looked at it from that angle.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:We sow what we reap and now we will watch our rights erode away for nothing.
Firedude ; Beautiful. Well said, and my deepest thanks.
The only thing is...this guy has it right ..in spite of the fact he didn't mean what he said.
We live in a world of hybrid seeds. When one attempts to harvest the seeds, and replant them next spring...a curious thing happens.
These seeds are not the seeds of our fathers ..not Heritage seeds. They do not germinate well...and mostly the plants are sterile ..they bear no fruit. What fruit that is born is often a twisted caricature of the original healthy fruit...
What a splendid example of american males, today.....sterile hybrids of those magnificent bastarrds ..those giants of men ..the Founders.
The poster has it absolutely correct ..all without the slightest knowledge of the subject of which he speaks.
Unless you are planting Appleseeds!!!!!!!!!0 -
Internet bravado yet again, let's talk tough about not submitting while your bending over to Obama.
I don't believe any of the "let em take my guns" canyass bull. It's ignoring the danger.
Obama does not have the political capital to do that yet if ever.
It's about limiting gun sales to harm the industry. I get that, I own my own company and know the way corporations work.
First Obama will reinstate the "assault weapons bill" That will harm companies that produce firearm Magazines, Stocks,and even grips along with other things. With the taxes about to rise it will get bad.
Then they will make it easier to sue companies, gun stores and such to further the financial burden to these companies.
Then Microstamping WILL be enacted, harming ammunition sales to civilians and turning many Existing firearms obsolete and useless...why should they take them? They just need to take the ammo.
At this point you will see companies going under, bankrupt.
So understand, Obama is more interested in making Existing guns obsolete and empty than in taking them. He's interested in fining any accident because of them. They want to end the industry to stop any more guns coming out there.
With less new guns, buy backs and criminal confiscations will start eating up the remaining guns of many. America will not care because "they still have their guns".
Then they will either pressure new ammunition to become less and less compatible with older weapons or simply ignore us gun owners as they know we are NOT criminals and go to enact laws in the future about passing on firearms to our kids.
Remember how S&W rolled over with Clinton, Remember why so much American made guns went to Europe? It's not about you and your guns, your NO threat...It's about attacking the industry.
There will be no gov. bailouts for them...0 -
And you actually believe that McCain (or any other of our recent choices) would not do the same? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
And you actually believe that McCain (or any other of our recent choices) would not do the same?
No I don't. Hillary could not have either, but the Medias love for Obama and the voters he brings gives him the capital to actually do these things. McCain would make mistakes but Obama is a clever tyrant who actively is looking to destroy our rights.0 -
If we stand by and allow those things to happen just exactly as you predict...then we deserve to lose every weapon we have and possess.
We can stop pretending to be 'free'..a condition that 90 % of americans have not the slightest comprehension what it means.
Do you grasp what I am saying ? I am willing to throw the dice. You may well be content to live under the present level of tyranny...or maybe just a little more, under your republican heroes.
I am not.
I will never pick up a weapon to hasten the demise of America...but I would vote for a Total gun ban...police start picking them up Monday.
I want people FORCED to chose...fight or submit.
The quicker the better. My path beats yours all to hell...for in spite of your assurances, I think that your republicans are aiming at EXACTLY the same target as democrats...but they are smarter. They would drag this thing out another 20-30 years...while the democrats will push faster.
Faster, in this case, is better.
There, bluntly, crudely, and honestly is my platform. You may ridicule, doubt, and accuse me of whatever you wish.
Changes nothing for me.0 -
It is also important to note that the "voters that Obama brings" comprise less than 20% of the country's population, hardly an overwhelming force. Our voices are more than enough to awaken a substantially larger force - just gun owners number at least three times as many folks. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
If we stand by and allow those things to happen just exactly as you predict...then we deserve to lose every weapon we have and possess.
We can stop pretending to be 'free'..a condition that 90 % of americans have not the slightest comprehension what it means.
Do you grasp what I am saying ? I am willing to throw the dice. You may well be content to live under the present level of tyranny...or maybe just a little more, under your republican heroes.
I am not.
I will never pick up a weapon to hasten the demise of America...but I would vote for a Total gun ban...police start picking them up Monday.
I want people FORCED to chose...fight or submit.
The quicker the better. My path beats yours all to hell...for in spite of your assurances, I think that your republicans are aiming at EXACTLY the same target as democrats...but they are smarter. They would drag this thing out another 20-30 years...while the democrats will push faster.
Faster, in this case, is better.
There, bluntly, crudely, and honestly is my platform. You may ridicule, doubt, and accuse me of whatever you wish.
Changes nothing for me.
One, to misrepresent what I'm saying makes you a liar, or illiterate..What republican heroes are you talking about? I think all politicians are scum. I'm not one of the characters in your head, respond to my ideas please and not to what you wish I said.
Two if you would vote for a total gun ban...I'm stumped...I hope you don't vote. I'm shocked and dismayed.
If the government try's to steal my Guns (I know they won't, but "if") so that me and my wife get murdered resisting then you are an animal. I refuse to believe you really even want this.
I quote you...
"I want people FORCED to chose...fight or submit."
Well, I don't want mens wives, daughters or sons killed in some battle for YOUR ideals. I want to win this by elections and the courts.
Anarchy does nothing, the founders wanted our legal system to protect our rights. To fight is our last resort, and we don't want to enable (the Left) them so that fighting is unavoidable. Admit you don't really want this... You can't want this0 -
It's a matter of sinking fast, or sinking slow, but regardless, you are sinking and will end up on the bottom of the ocean. If these politicians had the stones to do as Feinstein wanted "turn them all in" ALL gun owners would be FORCED to decide if they're subjects or citizens. Then the veil would truly be lifted for those gun owners who feel their chosen arms are "safe" from the gun-grabbers.
Someone has a quote on their sig line, to paraphrase it says if theres is to be trouble, let it be in my time so my child can know peace. We who value the constitution wish to preserve it, and the freedoms it protects, for our children. But as of now each sucessive generation loses sight of what freedom and a constituional republic truly are and become an advocate for a tyrannical government, all in the name of "the common good". We wish to wake these people up, if possible, to warn them of the growng threat of an end to America as we know it.
Voting (to borrow, yet again) ObamMcCain would have resulted in increased pressures brough to bear on the second amendment, and the constitution as a whole for neither truly respects and defends that document.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
It's a matter of sinking fast, or sinking slow, but regardless, you are sinking and will end up on the bottom of the ocean. If these politicians had the stones to do as Feinstein wanted "turn them all in" ALL gun owners would be FORCED to decide if they're subjects or citizens. Then the veil would truly be lifted for those gun owners who feel their chosen arms are "safe" from the gun-grabbers.
Someone has a quote on their sig line, to paraphrase it says if theres is to be trouble, let it be in my time so my child can know peace. We who value the constitution wish to preserve it, and the freedoms it protects, for our children. But as of now each sucessive generation loses sight of what freedom and a constituional republic truly are and become an advocate for a tyrannical government, all in the name of "the common good". We wish to wake these people up, if possible, to warn them of the growng threat of an end to America as we know it.
Voting (to borrow, yet again) ObamMcCain would have resulted in increased pressures brough to bear on the second amendment, and the constitution as a whole for neither truly respects and defends that document.
I disagree if McCain won we would have gotten another pro-gun judge in the supreme court, perhaps under Palin.
What we want and what will turn out is obvious. To think Obama and McCain are the same is just nonsense. The supreme courts whats the issue. The destroying of the Industry is the issue. If you think both would go the same then I guess its just maddness.0 -
quote:Well, I don't want mens wives, daughters or sons killed in some battle for YOUR ideals. I want to win this by elections and the courts.
So you prefer sons and daughters killed for the ideals of the Elites..eh ? Iraq, Vietnam, ect..?
Quite obviously, you are not paying the slightest attention...and your knowledge of your own history, while shocking, is nothing new for New Americans..none of which have ever read the Constitution.
The Second Amendment..while it is INDEED my 'ideal"..preceeded me by several hundred years...and was the 'ideal' of the FOUNDERS.
I can quite understand your reluctance to fight for those old dead white guys `ideals'.believe me, the `men here in America are only willing to fight for what their Masters in Washington TELL them to fight for..it STILL is a sad state of being.
quote:Anarchy does nothing, ANARCHY ??? PLEASE show me where in the Constitution you find 'anarchy' ??? We are TALKING about the Constitution, here...and the enormous distance between IT and the present government we toil and suffer under.
quote:the founders wanted our legal system to protect our rights. Yeah..we did. Today we got a Court that says he Second Amendment menas what THEY say it means...and you can just go pound sand.
Whatchagonna do...when you got corrupted Courts, baby ?
quote:To fight is our last resort, and we don't want to enable (the Left) them so that fighting is unavoidable. Admit you don't really want this... You can't want this
Really ? What I want is totally irrelevant in the matter.
Corrupted masses of people continue to elect corrupted leaders that continue to appoint corrupted judges, police chiefs, officials of every stripe.
It is like bailing out the Titanic with a teacup. You work really hard at it, you get a sweat going, you feel really good about yourself...but the great ship continues to slide beneath the waves.
I propose to rebuild the great ship that way it was meant to be..before generations of sly, greedy, power-mad politicians and businessmen of every description poured acid on every rivet in the ship of state..tearing apart the entire fabric of her seams.0 -
To yogsoggy- you hit the nail on the head, but has any one thought about where obama is getting all this money? I'm not a brain surgeon but what do you think it could be, oil money? All it takes in our times to be president is money. How can a person I just can't call him a man
with only 134 days or close to that in politics get elected. All the people that run with him are like a pack of dogs he just gives them a bone now and then. If all the people that have and enjoy guns would have voted we would not be where we are. What about his citizenship has any more been said about that? I know where this is going someone out there will say I'm a racist. Well I'm not I just don't like to be told how to live & think and to have a president that thinks nothing of my freedom or rights.
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quote:Originally posted by meanmarine64
To yogsoggy- you hit the nail on the head, but has any one thought about where obama is getting all this money? I'm not a brain surgeon but what do you think it could be, oil money? All it takes in our times to be president is money. How can a person I just can't call him a man
with only 134 days or close to that in politics get elected. All the people that run with him are like a pack of dogs he just gives them a bone now and then. If all the people that have and enjoy guns would have voted we would not be where we are. What about his citizenship has any more been said about that? I know where this is going someone out there will say I'm a racist. Well I'm not I just don't like to be told how to live & think and to have a president that thinks nothing of my freedom or rights.
meanmarine64
Well, I just saw something on the Subject of Nobama's birth CERTIFACATION. You folks can take a look, and see what you think.
www.wethepeoplefoundation.org0 -
Of course he is not a citizen. Why would that part of the Constitution matter any more than all of the other parts that the elites who are in charge, ignore regularly, with our consent? 0 -
jpWolf jp you are right the big dogs poop were they want. 0 -
If the Democrat controlled Congress reinstates the ban, Obama will sign it. Americans who live in sportsmen states, those in which hunting is important to constituents, might be able to pressure Democrats to oppose reinstating bans and more gun prohibitions. Most activists I know are pessimistic but it is worth a fight. 0
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