Who gives a crap anymore.
It really wears one down to constantly face the liberal crap from every side. Makes me feel like just saying the hell with most folks. I work at a very, very small college and it is even starting to make its way into our little college. The good Lord help us all. We will need it!!!!
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You are quit welcome![^]
Like I said, I wish you well. The closer you get to the 'ideal' the closer we will get a 'real' working equilibrium.[;)]
Now don't jump on your high horse and act like you are better than the rest of us, because you are not![:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
You are quit welcome![^]
Like I said, I wish you well. The closer you get to the 'ideal' the closer we will get a 'real' working equilibrium.[;)]
Now don't jump on your high horse and act like you are better than the rest of us, because you are not![:)]
When have I EVER claimed to be better than anyone else Jim?
Never would be the answer.
The difference between you and me Jim, is I understand and comprehend the Constitution and the BOR's while you simply don't.
You "comprimise" because you think there is a foothold on the anti's side. 20,000+ gunlaws, and every one is unconstitutional. Their "foothold" in reality is just you being apathetic.
Apathy has destroyed this country.0 -
quote:Originally posted by gundad308
As for HB I can imagine a day under his regime. How long would it be before he started burning books? Not to worry, we'll read about him in the news, painted as another example of why we need for new draconian gun laws, by the liberal media, convincing the overwhelming majority that civilian can't handle the responsibility of gun ownership. I'll need to get a permit for my 10in butcher's knife.
Thanks, buddy.
Heavy flow month, buddy?
The founders had 'em the size of bowling balls, think you could at least muster the size of a sesame seed?0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
You are quit welcome![^]
Like I said, I wish you well. The closer you get to the 'ideal' the closer we will get a 'real' working equilibrium.[;)]
Now don't jump on your high horse and act like you are better than the rest of us, because you are not![:)]
When have I EVER claimed to be better than anyone else Jim?
Never would be the answer.
The difference between you and me Jim, is I understand and comprehend the Constitution and the BOR's while you simply don't.
You "comprimise" because you think there is a foothold on the anti's side. 20,000+ gunlaws, and every one is unconstitutional. Their "foothold" in reality is just you being apathetic.
Apathy has destroyed this country.
Wrong again free,
I too 'understand and comprehend the constitution' as well if not better than you, BUT I do not deny the real world and human nature.
Your mentality is similar to the activist who says 'one death by xyz is to many, and we will not rest until we have eradicated this xyz'. Enter reality, CAN'T HAPPEN in the real world. (xyz= DUI's, childhood cancer, and the list is endless).
I have two rules for setting goals:
1. They MUST be realistic.
2. They must be non-conflicting.
So all you are doing is setting yourself up for CERTINE failure.
If you notice, on my wish list, NONE of those are currently practiced. So if or when we get to that point in this battle then we can look further down the road at your goals and try to get closer to your 'ideal' situation. But I think we have one hell of a battle just trying to reach my goal!!!
You use the word 'compromise' as a dirty word. It is a fact of life. Your 'collective' of CA is going to have realize they are not the only ones in the world and certainly not a majority so to even start down your road to your 'ideal' you will have to work with the rest of the people in the world. If you continue this isolationist mentality you will only put up a bigger barrier to you ever even starting to accomplish any reform.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:I have litterly told several 'friends' they are no longer friends of mine and are not welcome in my home because they support the Obama/liberal movement
How amusing;
I not only feel that way...I also have included those voting mccain in the real belief tht he intended to restore American values to the country.
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quote:Originally posted by Highball
Good...you finally get it.
No, YOU get it Highball! And I'm glad to see that I'm not alone on here! Bravo!0 -
I feel like, in order to think clearly about this issue, you need to stop thinking of the "state" as a legitimate entity. The "STATE" is a well-developed FICTION! What the "state" is, is a group of men and women, who call themselves "government" that has a monopoly on the use of violence. It doesn't matter whether they are "republican" or "democrat" or whatever they are calling themselves. Because this monopoly exists, people(yes, they are only people) who like to use violence get themselves into "government". Even the "well-meaning" people in "government" are bound to be corrupted while in their position. POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY!
There should be NO restrictions to prevent ANY ONE from protecting themselves and their families! Yes, Jim, this includes "crazy" people, "felons", "illegal" immigrants, cult leaders, and YOU!
Let's just look at a statement that will expose the faulty logic of gun restrictions, Jim:
"There are bad and violent people out there that might harm my family, so we need a group of people with a MONOPOLY on violence to protect us from them. And the way they can protect us is to disarm us"0 -
Welcome, Walter;
May I issue an invitation to read some more of the back posts ?
I think you willl find several..at least 18 of us on here.."Get It"...
There are a few more that are coming along...not 'there', yet...but there is ALWAYS hope.0 -
c33, (FFNG)
I think you need to do some reading of our past discussions before you start making assumptions and labeling those of us here, good or bad!!![;)]0 -
No he doesn't Jim. He has HB to guide him. I see where thats going from here. We really need to be carefull Jim. The Bolan Brigade is gaining support. Soon they will have.... several and will come looking for US. Or are we them?? I'm not sure. But I know we will be in big trouble. 0 -
This brings back some memories of my youth.
One night we, a car load of friends and I, were in the next town just east of us, Burlington. We were up to no good, just went to the show and were looking for 'some action' (I am sure some of you can remember what that was)[}:)] but we were not to well received by the locals. We had about two car loads of them following us trying to get the courage up to jump us when I and another one of my friends got in one hell of an pissen contest in the car, about something stupid, and he popped me and I lit into him. The driver of the car stopped and we got out and kicked the snot out of each other while the other locals watched. They stopped following us and we went on our way. I had a split lip, and black eye and my fighting friend had a tooth knocked out and a big cut in his forehead. Both of us bleed all over the car.
WE DIDN'T ACOMPLISH ANYTHING GOOD!! It took about a week of bruding and we shook hands and are friends to this day.
Can you guys figure out why I am telling this story????[;)]0 -
Yeah. Good Story. [:D] I've had a couple of nights like that. Life in small towns is like that. I had one of best friends accuse me of trying to get his girl. I wasn't but she was a freshman and Steve was a Senior. So she had this Big Sr. fighting over her. *L* The funny part was that my friend allready four or five others on the hook. Anyway, Steve bigger then me by 50lbs, I picked up a shovel and promised him a night in the ER but ,,,,,,,,,Hey it your choice. *L* He saw the light and we went and got drunk and talked crap about dumb Freshman girls.
I see your a true Alaskan. *L* Snowmachine ?? Rather than Snowmobile. I was told thats how you guys tell an outsider when they show up. A Co-worker used to live up there. Worked at the Chemical Weapons Storge facility there. Can't remember the name.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
c33, (FFNG)
I think you need to do some reading of our past discussions before you start making assumptions and labeling those of us here, good or bad!!![;)]
I'm not sure of what FFNG means, but I did not say any one was "good" or "bad" I said the "state" was bad.0 -
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You are correct, sorry. FFNG was a term we used for the new guys in the big green latrine (RVN)!!![;)]0 -
Walter;
Not to worry. Nobody gets attached to the new guy...until we see if you survive the first few months.
This is a tough bunch, around here ..little quarter is asked, and little given. We welcome your input ..wade right in and express your viewpoints.
If your view is that the government has no business involved in gun control, you will get my support instantly....but I don't like gun controllers, pedophiles, rapists, murderers, or traitors.
And I lump that whole group pretty much together.
Actually...a pedophile may well be further UP the ladder, as a `decent citizen', then are gun controllers.
The reason ? child molester can destroy the lives of 2, or ten, or 50 children...the gun controller destroys the lives of ENTIRE GENERATIONS of children.0 -
Welcome Walter. Hope you enjoy your stay here. Thin skin is NOT an advantage around these parts.
I welcome more posts from you.0 -
Thank you! I do not have thin skin, I just am not used to forums. I thought he was using some kind of text-abbreviation. I agree 100% with you Highball. 0 -
jpwolf, got plenty, dude. 0 -
Jim, your story, I get it, wish everyone else would. We have a common enemy that's more dangerous to us than we are to each other. Our biggest problem is our few degrees of separation on the issue, and how we deal with it. Guys like Jim and I agree with CA guys on so much, but they focus on the differences. I believe a day will come when we will put it all on the line. I hope we'll put our small differences behind us and work together. We'll need every able bodied person. 0 -
Do you actually think that it is merely a `small difference' ?
That `small difference' is quite likely the balance point between a free country and one ruled with an iron fist.
Allowing the government power to database every citizen that might resist;
Allowing the government to rigidly control weapons that are effective to a resistance;
Allowing the government to circumvent the Constitution is NEVER a `little thing'.
THOSE are the `small differences' you speak of.
Think about it.0 -
Hb,
We, meaning the citizens of this country, have allowed this to happen over many years. It has reached a 'breaking' point. WE, meaning ALL of us who agree in principal, must work in every way and arena to get this situation reversed. It will not happen with one quick event, much as I wish it could/would. If we do not succeed in the future we WILL find ourselves with our backs against the wall (where you feel we are now, but some like me still think we can continue to get this process reversed through slower less violent means). When and if this occurs we have got to be allies, not enemies.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and don't you forget it!!![;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by gundad308
jpwolf, got plenty, dude.
Plenty means "a large amount". Now that you have been corrected on the meaning of "plenty", you might wish to edit, so as to not look so silly.0 -
HB,
"Allowing the government power to database every citizen that might resist;
Allowing the government to rigidly control weapons that are effective to a resistance;
Allowing the government to circumvent the Constitution is NEVER a `little thing'..."
Actually, I agree with you on these items. The Militia Law of 1792 (by the same writers of 2amdt) was about the militia having (mandating actually) "weapons of the day", on par with the standing army.
I confess to having been wrong, in earlier posts, on my defining of the meaning of "regulated" in the 2amdt. I've known that but lost it somewhere. I must've been Obamatized, after all I work in a union environment.
jpwolf, NO EDIT NEEDED! thanks.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
You preach the Alaska model, but Jim, please come back to "reality".
Alaska by its very history and nature, is peopled by a different breed than most other states. Alaskans are by and large "individualists" in their views, at least more so that any other state in the nation, thus, their propensity to distrust government and to trust each other is much more prevalent than found elsewhere.
Gotta disagree with you there. I lived in Alaska as well and what you said might have passed back in the day, however there's turning out to be more and more bleening tree huggers and hippy types up there all the time. I have a friend that still lives up there that I talk to often and they tell me what's the trend. I've found much more indiviualists in Texas.
From my time I lived there it seemed 90% wanted and took goverment handouts. Alot of peoples life consisted of getting drunk or high on some drug, knocking up a girl, then going to prison. I saw very few indiviualists while I lived up there. I liked Alaska, but it sure as hell wasn't because of the people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote:Originally posted by lt496
You preach the Alaska model, but Jim, please come back to "reality".
Alaska by its very history and nature, is peopled by a different breed than most other states. Alaskans are by and large "individualists" in their views, at least more so that any other state in the nation, thus, their propensity to distrust government and to trust each other is much more prevalent than found elsewhere.
Gotta disagree with you there. I lived in Alaska as well and what you said might have passed back in the day, however there's turning out to be more and more bleening tree huggers and hippy types up there all the time. I have a friend that still lives up there that I talk to often and they tell me what's the trend. I've found much more indiviualists in Texas.
From my time I lived there it seemed 90% wanted and took goverment handouts. Alot of peoples life consisted of getting drunk or high on some drug, knocking up a girl, then going to prison. I saw very few indiviualists while I lived up there. I liked Alaska, but it sure as hell wasn't because of the people.
By your description, it seems as if my picture of Alaska and its citizens, is off-base. I wouldn't know first hand, since I have never lived there.
Setting aside the various and sundry city dwellers, leeches and weasels that infest any society, I had pictured Alaskans as rugged-individualists, living in a harsh land and being largely self-reliant. Guess I am placing a "pioneer" concept onto the citizenry, due to my youthful visions and dare I say it, "assumptions" [:I].
I stand corrected.0 -
Originally posted by gundad308
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The word "regulated" implies control. Maybe some don't like it but it keeps the extremely rich from ammasing arsenals to impose their will.
Incorrect. "Regulated" does not imply control. "Well regulated" as word usage of the times meant proficient in the use of arms. This twisting of words is one the gun grabbers are using to press their goals. "Repeat a lie enough and it becomes the truth", old commie mantra. Don't do it for them.0
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