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Standing Guard: Vote For The Second Amendment
In just a few days, on November 4, gun owners will be presented with a very clear choice of a pro-Second Amendment versus an anti-Second Amendment Presidential ticket. John McCain and Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama and Joe Biden represents a stark contrast for the future of our freedom.
In that choice, one fact is foremost:
The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of our Right To Keep and Bear Arms.
The landmark Heller decision by the U.S. Supreme Court--which struck down the D.C. gun ban and its attendant criminalizing of armed self-defense in the home--was decided by a one vote margin, in a 5-4 decision. The court's decision was aided by briefs filed by Congress and states--briefs signed by John McCain and by Palin's state of Alaska.
The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden refused to sign in support of the Second Amendment. But for President George W. Bush's two high court nominations, it could easily have gone the other way. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Associate Justice Samuel Alito truly made the difference. Keep in mind that Barack Obama and the man who is now his running mate, U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden, voted against confirming both.
And Biden, one-time chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee, was radically opposed and used every trick in the book including the threat of a filibuster to kill the confirmation process.
Gun owners have U.S. Sen. John McCain to thank for quashing Biden's filibuster moves and brokering the Senate agreement that allowed confirmation. If Biden had his way, the Senate could have stalled indefinitely, leaving two vacancies unfilled, and creating a seven-member court dominated by the very justices who opposed the Second Amendment as protection for a broad, individual right.
Biden told the NAACP during his own losing primary bid for the Democratic presidential nomination:
"The next president is likely to name at least one, if not three new Supreme Court justices. We should start this national debate by recognizing the truth--that Roberts and Alito have turned the court upside down . . I guarantee you that will change."
Turning "the court upside down ." As in upholding the Second Amendment.
Biden's pledge came in an important context. With funding from globalist gun-banner George Soros, the NAACP filed the most onerous litigation de-signed by our enemies to drive America's firearm industry into bankruptcy.
That suit, argued before Brooklyn, N.Y., U.S. District Judge Jack B. Weinstein, claimed that virtually all elements of the federally regulated and lawful firearm industry were collectively responsible for the totally unrelated illegal acts of armed, violent criminals. The suit ultimately was a loser, but cost consumers millions of dollars in legal fees. It was one of a string of serial, punitive lawsuits brought before lifetime-appointee Weinstein.
And on that score, the last such lawsuit before Weinstein was thrown out by the U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled the litigation violated the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the NRA-backed 2005 law--a law vehemently opposed by Obama and Biden.
If the Obama and Biden team has its way, the nation will again be flooded with hundreds of such suits creating what one gun-ban lawyer called "death by a thousand cuts." Under an Obama-Biden administration, the lower federal courts would resemble cloned versions of Weinstein's Brooklyn star chamber.
During the remarkable Saddleback forum, Obama attacked the nominations of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, author of the brilliant Heller decision. Counted with his "no" votes against Roberts and Alito, that's an Obama thumbs down for four of the five justices who rendered the Supreme Court's definitive decision upholding the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and recognizing the right to armed self-defense in the home.
In this last column before we go to the polls I must make an additional point. While we have disagreed in the past with Sen. McCain on a few specific issues, these disagreements pale in comparison to what the future would be like for gun owners if an Obama-Biden regime were to control all organs of federal power and land a one-two punch against freedom.
John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an NRA Life member, life-long gun owner, hunter and staunch Second Amendment supporter. She is an electrifying force for preservation and expansion of all the gains we have made in the past decades.
I found it remarkable that in every story announcing her selection she was described as a "lifetime" member of the NRA. She is indeed proud of her Life membership. Suddenly the phony poses of Obama and Biden wrapping themselves around the Second Amendment are stripped to their essence--a semantic trick designed to fool gun owners. You can't let that happen.
Your vote is a remarkable power that you must wield to preserve the Second Amendment. With all of this, there is a simple message. Vote. Get your friends, family and co-workers to vote. And vote for the only ticket that will uphold our Freedom. Vote for the Second Amendment. Vote for the McCain-Palin ticket!
In just a few days, on November 4, gun owners will be presented with a very clear choice of a pro-Second Amendment versus an anti-Second Amendment Presidential ticket. John McCain and Sarah Palin versus Barack Obama and Joe Biden represents a stark contrast for the future of our freedom.
In that choice, one fact is foremost:
The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of our Right To Keep and Bear Arms.
The landmark Heller decision by the U.S. Supreme Court--which struck down the D.C. gun ban and its attendant criminalizing of armed self-defense in the home--was decided by a one vote margin, in a 5-4 decision. The court's decision was aided by briefs filed by Congress and states--briefs signed by John McCain and by Palin's state of Alaska.
The next president, by filling inevitable vacancies on the U.S. Supreme Court, will determine the continued existence of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden refused to sign in support of the Second Amendment. But for President George W. Bush's two high court nominations, it could easily have gone the other way. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Associate Justice Samuel Alito truly made the difference. Keep in mind that Barack Obama and the man who is now his running mate, U.S. Sen. Joseph Biden, voted against confirming both.
And Biden, one-time chairman of the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee, was radically opposed and used every trick in the book including the threat of a filibuster to kill the confirmation process.
Gun owners have U.S. Sen. John McCain to thank for quashing Biden's filibuster moves and brokering the Senate agreement that allowed confirmation. If Biden had his way, the Senate could have stalled indefinitely, leaving two vacancies unfilled, and creating a seven-member court dominated by the very justices who opposed the Second Amendment as protection for a broad, individual right.
Biden told the NAACP during his own losing primary bid for the Democratic presidential nomination:
"The next president is likely to name at least one, if not three new Supreme Court justices. We should start this national debate by recognizing the truth--that Roberts and Alito have turned the court upside down . . I guarantee you that will change."
Turning "the court upside down ." As in upholding the Second Amendment.
Biden's pledge came in an important context. With funding from globalist gun-banner George Soros, the NAACP filed the most onerous litigation de-signed by our enemies to drive America's firearm industry into bankruptcy.
That suit, argued before Brooklyn, N.Y., U.S. District Judge Jack B. Weinstein, claimed that virtually all elements of the federally regulated and lawful firearm industry were collectively responsible for the totally unrelated illegal acts of armed, violent criminals. The suit ultimately was a loser, but cost consumers millions of dollars in legal fees. It was one of a string of serial, punitive lawsuits brought before lifetime-appointee Weinstein.
And on that score, the last such lawsuit before Weinstein was thrown out by the U.S. Court of Appeals, which ruled the litigation violated the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the NRA-backed 2005 law--a law vehemently opposed by Obama and Biden.
If the Obama and Biden team has its way, the nation will again be flooded with hundreds of such suits creating what one gun-ban lawyer called "death by a thousand cuts." Under an Obama-Biden administration, the lower federal courts would resemble cloned versions of Weinstein's Brooklyn star chamber.
During the remarkable Saddleback forum, Obama attacked the nominations of Associate Justice Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, author of the brilliant Heller decision. Counted with his "no" votes against Roberts and Alito, that's an Obama thumbs down for four of the five justices who rendered the Supreme Court's definitive decision upholding the Second Amendment as protecting an individual right and recognizing the right to armed self-defense in the home.
In this last column before we go to the polls I must make an additional point. While we have disagreed in the past with Sen. McCain on a few specific issues, these disagreements pale in comparison to what the future would be like for gun owners if an Obama-Biden regime were to control all organs of federal power and land a one-two punch against freedom.
John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an NRA Life member, life-long gun owner, hunter and staunch Second Amendment supporter. She is an electrifying force for preservation and expansion of all the gains we have made in the past decades.
I found it remarkable that in every story announcing her selection she was described as a "lifetime" member of the NRA. She is indeed proud of her Life membership. Suddenly the phony poses of Obama and Biden wrapping themselves around the Second Amendment are stripped to their essence--a semantic trick designed to fool gun owners. You can't let that happen.
Your vote is a remarkable power that you must wield to preserve the Second Amendment. With all of this, there is a simple message. Vote. Get your friends, family and co-workers to vote. And vote for the only ticket that will uphold our Freedom. Vote for the Second Amendment. Vote for the McCain-Palin ticket!
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quote:Originally posted by breakerdan
I do support the unrestricted right of lawful citizen to own Assault rifles. As I said, I dont like em and dont need em, but I would not ban or restrict them. Last I checked, the second amendment did not specify that an assault rifle was any different than a 2 shot derringer. As firearms, I believe in the ownership and use of them.
Define "lawful" for me, in your assessment, if you don't mind.
"Ownership and use" are pretty broad. Do you support restrictions on what, when and where one can "carry" aka "bear" these firearms?
Just trying to gauge your stance.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by breakerdan
I do support the unrestricted right of lawful citizen to own Assault rifles. As I said, I dont like em and dont need em, but I would not ban or restrict them. Last I checked, the second amendment did not specify that an assault rifle was any different than a 2 shot derringer. As firearms, I believe in the ownership and use of them.
Define "lawful" for me, in your assessment, if you don't mind.
"Ownership and use" are pretty broad. Do you support restrictions on what, when and where one can "carry" aka "bear" these firearms?
Just trying to gauge your stance.
Lawful: anyone not convicted of a felony, or an illegal alien.
Ownership and Use: I support concealed carry. No support of restrictions on where and when you can carry. I like the TX gun laws of being able to defend yourself and carry in your car w/o liscence- It is your duty to defend yourself, family and society. All men should possess and know how to use a firearm responsibly for the event of self defense, feeding the family in a societal meltdown, or invasion by foreign forces (US enemies fear this). If you happen to like one of those black plastic assault rifles-more power to you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
While bolt guns play a very important role were war to come to this land... assault weapons will be necessary to win such a war.
Like it or not ..I believe that to be fact. So too does the government ..witness their unending attacks on them, and their ever more restrictions on silencers/full autos/semi autos.
I do NOT believe in giving comfort to the enemy...and I regard gun controllers as domestic enemies.
Therefore ..I own a black gun or two. I believe strongly in poking a stick in the eye of my enemy, if it is possible to do so without all-out war...and legally owning black weapons DOES so.
The day all-out war begins...those evil black weapons will carry the day...IF enough decent citizens own them and are prepared to use them.
I have no problem at all with your stand concerning black weapons; I share, believe it or not, much of your repugnance with the genre.
That being said ..I would personally prefer that one that feels that way remain silent ..so as not to give the enemy a club with which to beat we gun owners with.
As a gun owner ..your opinion in the matter is powerful to the unwashed masses that have been taught to despise weapons of ANY stripe ..and black weapons especially.
Now;
I apologize for the rabid dog attack.
That is my job today...to rapidly separate the wheat from the chaff when it comes to gun Rights. I no longer have the time or the patience to be polite in the matter.
apology accepted. Believe me, I am no gun controller- I support concealed carry, all types of gun ownership, hunting, and self defense of home, yourself or property.0 -
breakerdan,
Considering the evolution of this thread, I'm glad to see you didn't run away saying "those guys aren't nice" in the Gun Rights forum.
We have had our share of Tories in this forum, who would be first to throw the torch, burning down the church. From the sounds of it, your not one of them. Welcome to the forum.0 -
I take exception to one, possibly two items:
1) *possible* you referred to conceal carry. Do you feel that BOR #2 has already covered this, or do feel it should be "licensed"?
2) Felons: either they've paid their debt, and should have full rights returned, or they should still be locked up. If they are not deemed safe to own a weapon and freedom, they should not have either. If they are deemed fit for one, they should have the other.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
I take exception to one, possibly two items:
1) *possible* you referred to conceal carry. Do you feel that BOR #2 has already covered this, or do feel it should be "licensed"?
2) Felons: either they've paid their debt, and should have full rights returned, or they should still be locked up. If they are not deemed safe to own a weapon and freedom, they should not have either. If they are deemed fit for one, they should have the other.
In TX, you can carry concealed in the vehicle w/o permit but not on person w/o permit.
I dont really think you should have to be liscensed to carry, but the training is beneficial. If you are competent enough to use a gun around home or vehicle, I dont see why people should have to get a liscence, but that is the law.
On the felon part, I cannot support felons being able to purchase guns, but I am not naive enough to think that they wont get them off the black market.0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
breakerdan,
Considering the evolution of this thread, I'm glad to see you didn't run away saying "those guys aren't nice" in the Gun Rights forum.
We have had our share of Tories in this forum, who would be first to throw the torch, burning down the church. From the sounds of it, your not one of them. Welcome to the forum.
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He is not a Canary Ass;
Hopefully, he will point his rifle the right way when tyranny finally cannot wait any longer.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
He is not a Canary Ass;
Hopefully, he will point his rifle the right way when tyranny finally cannot wait any longer.
+1
Thought the same thing several posts ago.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
He is not a Canary Ass;
Hopefully, he will point his rifle the right way when tyranny finally cannot wait any longer.
Agreed.
But you don't have to be a full fledged canary ass to participate in the forum. Over time, who knows, he could learn a thing or two. Others have. Myself included. [;)]0 -
I used to be a member of the NRA but do not support them anymore. The reason I have changed my mind about the NRA is they have failed to defend the 2nd Amendment for what it is intended for and turned it into more of a hunting and sports issue. The intent of the 2nd has NOTHING to do with hunting and target shooting but was written for the SOLE purpose of "we the people" haveing the tools to defend ourselves from our own government when it gets out of control. 0 -
AH the stupity and sillyness continues!!![xx(]
One very simple question!!!
If the NRA is pro dems and pro gun control why were they so anti Obama??????[?]
Many here don't beleive the NRA is hardcore enough, but to say they are anti-gun shows an extreme lack of intellegence on your part!!!![}:)]0 -
quote:If the NRA is pro dems and pro gun control why were they so anti Obama??????
Total bans kill the cash cow...not good business for the nra.
quote:Many here don't beleive the NRA is hardcore enough, but to say they are anti-gun shows an extreme lack of intellegence on your part!!!!
The Second Amendment can be equated to pregnancy; Either one is ..or is NOT.
Either you support that Document ..or you DO NOT.
Sitting down with the enemy and writing/re-writing gun laws is proof positive of being anti-gun;
Supporting federal gun laws is proof positive of being anti-gun.
Short and simple....just as the question was.
Welcome back...we have missed your brand of gun control for the last several weeks.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
AH the stupity and sillyness continues!!![xx(]
One very simple question!!!
If the NRA is pro dems and pro gun control why were they so anti Obama??????[?]
Many here don't beleive the NRA is hardcore enough, but to say they are anti-gun shows an extreme lack of intellegence on your part!!!![}:)]
I think labeling them as Anti-Amendment II would be more accurate.
One must remember Jim, that the NRA supports a different version of Amendment II than that found in the Bill of Rights.
The NRA version is all about marksmanship training, range development, different types of firearms competitions, hunting, owning guns for "sporting purposes" and for self defense, all with the caveat that these activities be regulated/controlled/overseen by government.
The 'NRA Train' derails at the true meaning of Amendment II. That being unrestricted access to firearms and the 'bottom-line' of Amendment II being "liberty's teeth", e.g. the means for America's Citizens to resist tyranny, even that coming from our own government.
It is what it is and it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
AH the stupity and sillyness continues!!![xx(]
One very simple question!!!
If the NRA is pro dems and pro gun control why were they so anti Obama??????[?]
Many here don't beleive the NRA is hardcore enough, but to say they are anti-gun shows an extreme lack of intellegence on your part!!!![}:)]
If the NRA was truly pro 2nd they would have supported Ron Paul in the primaries. They did not because they had to make a choice between their money stream and principle.
And yes, the NRA is anti-gun when it suits them. In general they are pro-gun but can only be depended upon to take up the popular fight. Again - follow the money and it will lead you to the NRA.0 -
Yep,......follow Waynes 900K salary.
I am done with my previous 3 year membership the end of the month,.......hopefully the renewal mailings will cease soon, as I am getting about 2 a week now.[xx(]0 -
Like I said, SILLY![}:)] 0 -
quote:Like I said, SILLY!
It is hardly ever silly to identify an enemy and paint a big 'x' on him.
That may well be deadly in a few more years...but yet today, it remains a viable means of shaking the gold out of the gravel.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Like I said, SILLY![}:)]0
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