I Have To Start Posting On This Forum....
since you guys are right.
I had NO idea that there were that many pro-gun control types on GD.
Well, eyes are open now.
Unreal.
I think you all know where I stand.
I had NO idea that there were that many pro-gun control types on GD.
Well, eyes are open now.
Unreal.
I think you all know where I stand.
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quote:Do a reality check. Stand on a street corner, shopping mall, college campus, etc. and preach that because of the second amendment, firearms, among other ways, should legally be allowed to be sold out of vending machines.
If and after you have presented your gun rights philosophy to the average Americans, then come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.Another false argument...
How about you and Wayne do the same, present your collectivist philosophy and preach 'non-adherence to the Constitution', 'acceptable gun-laws', 'compromise is good', 'government should protect us from the bad people' and other such claptrap.
Come tell me how many converts you get, okay?
Philosophy and issues of the proper role of government and of the Constitution, are not to be shouted from the street corner in an attempt to gain converts, for obvious reasons.
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A picture of what may be described as your 'quickness of mind' specifically related to these discussions of individual liberty and a picture of your proud and continuing carrying of the 'banner of the faithful'.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For a right as controversial as guns rights, if you cannot stand on a street corner and preach your ideas to every passing citizen, without those citizens avoiding you like you are crazy, they your ideas don't have a chance in hell of ever being brought into existance.
Do a reality check. Stand on a street corner, shopping mall, college campus, etc. and preach that because of the second amendment, firearms, among other ways, should legally be allowed to be sold out of vending machines.
If and after you have presented your gun rights philosophy to the average Americans, then come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.
Hell, even tell your philosophy to your relatives, co-workers, neighbors, etc. and, if you dare, come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.
I need a good laugh.
Even if such extensive gun rights as selling them out of vending machines was constitution and even if it is a good idea, the majority of Americans will never, ever let it happen. Well, unless you overthrow the government and kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. I sometimes think that is what many here want.
Your 'vending machine' example is simply not something that many can take seriously.
It is obtuse, and the dichotomy of a non-sequitor as well.[xx(]
Of course it is something that most cannot take seriously. That is not breaking news. But if there were absolutely no gun laws, selling firearms out of vending machine would have to be seen as a legal way of selling guns. So mentioning that fact is just a quick, easy and legitimate way of underscoring how crazy it would be to have absolutely no gun laws.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For a right as controversial as guns rights,
Controversial?! There is absolutely nothing controversial about it, and it's not "gun rights", it's MY rights.
You can offer such flawed protests all day long. But you do not live alone on some island. You live with over 300 million other Americans. Regardless of what the constitution says, while you attempt to obtain those constitutional rights you must have many (probably a majority) of Americans on your side. You will not get that by preaching you want absolutely no gun control laws and therefore support the idea of children, illegal aliens, convicted violent criminals being LEGALLY armed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Do a reality check. Stand on a street corner, shopping mall, college campus, etc. and preach that because of the second amendment, firearms, among other ways, should legally be allowed to be sold out of vending machines.
If and after you have presented your gun rights philosophy to the average Americans, then come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.Another false argument...
How about you and Wayne do the same, present your collectivist philosophy and preach 'non-adherence to the Constitution', 'acceptable gun-laws', 'compromise is good', 'government should protect us from the bad people' and other such claptrap.
Come tell me how many converts you get, okay?
Philosophy and issues of the proper role of government and of the Constitution, are not to be shouted from the street corner in an attempt to gain converts, for obvious reasons.
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A picture of what may be described as your 'quickness of mind' specifically related to these discussions of individual liberty and a picture of your proud and continuing carrying of the 'banner of the faithful'.
Many times some of the others (and maybe even you) have preached about how, to get your radical idea to work, you must educate and convert other Americans. I don't seem you doing any of that. All I see is you yellow canary asses talking among your selves, jointly attacking people who disagree with you and trying to convert/educate a tiny number of people here on GB.com. You have been doing this for years and I don't see any large army of people you have converted.
In red above. There are no "obvious reasons" why your gun rights ideas cannot be shouted on street corners unless you are ashamed of doing that shouting0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For a right as controversial as guns rights,
Controversial?! There is absolutely nothing controversial about it, and it's not "gun rights", it's MY rights.
You can offer such flawed protests all day long.
So, let's see, what's flawed here? You do realize that YOU are the problem, not your views as some would argue, but YOU. As far as I am concerned, you are as much of an enemy as Schummers and Clintons and other human trash, if not worse.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
For a right as controversial as guns rights, if you cannot stand on a street corner and preach your ideas to every passing citizen, without those citizens avoiding you like you are crazy, they your ideas don't have a chance in hell of ever being brought into existance.
Do a reality check. Stand on a street corner, shopping mall, college campus, etc. and preach that because of the second amendment, firearms, among other ways, should legally be allowed to be sold out of vending machines.
If and after you have presented your gun rights philosophy to the average Americans, then come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.
Hell, even tell your philosophy to your relatives, co-workers, neighbors, etc. and, if you dare, come back and tell me what kind of reaction you got.
I need a good laugh.
Even if such extensive gun rights as selling them out of vending machines was constitution and even if it is a good idea, the majority of Americans will never, ever let it happen. Well, unless you overthrow the government and kill everyone who doesn't agree with you. I sometimes think that is what many here want.
Controversial? Only to those that look to Government for protection. Sadly this does include the majority of Americans today, though does not need to be the case in the America of tomorrow.
If, Mr. Fox, we can empower the average American by instilling the Founders' notion of individual supremacy, we can enlighten them as to the promise of freedom. If, however, we continue to tell them that they must be protected by the state, the weak will continue to believe that there must be state protections in place.
One-on-one I have found that most people believe themselves to have power over their own lives. It disgusts me when people support the notion that they do not have that power and support anti-Constitutional laws that reinforce that notion.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
.....Regardless of what the constitution says, while you attempt to obtain those constitutional rights you must have many (probably a majority) of Americans on your side. You will not get that by preaching you want absolutely no gun control laws and therefore support the idea of children, illegal aliens, convicted violent criminals being LEGALLY armed.
(Sigh)
I grow weary in the attempt to educate simple minds on what should be a simple subject. The subject: Rights vs. privileges.
Message to the TRfox's: you do not "obtain" a right, understand? (The founders already covered that ground for you) You claim it as your own, then exercise it constantly. Hopefully then, people who "see it", begin to understand what "it" is. Those who refuse, such as yourself, well... to hell with 'em. They likely will never be able to overcome their fear of the responsibility and risk, that goes along with a "right".
BTW fox, I was a child of 14, not that long ago (1984), when I purchased my very first firearm at a coast to coast hardware store over-the-counter, all by myself, no forms, no BGC, no hassle. Shocking! Still have it. As far as gun related memories go, it is second only to that first Christmas .22 bolt gun at 10 years of age.
You're an old fart, how many did you purchase before becoming an "adult"? Now you would deny that experience? Hypocrite indeed.0
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