Vote Here Please on Gun Laws/No Gun Laws
This is going to be an easy question to vote on. Please don't try to weasel around and hedge your vote. Just read the question and vote "yes" or "no." If you understandably wish to explain your position and vote, then we can start a new thread and everyone can explain there. For now, if you care to "play the game" please just vote. It will be interesting to see just how many here who scream about wanting absolutely no gun laws will put themselves on record with a vote "for" this particular question. So here goes.
Question: In regards to having absolutely no gun laws, one thing that would happen would be that you would see firearms sold out of vending machines, just as cigarettes were years ago. This means of course that ANYBODY who obtained the cash or credit card could purchase a firearm out of a vending machine and nobody could do one damn thing about it until and if that firearm was misused.
Please vote simply "yes" or "no" on the following question. Do you support no gun laws to include selling firearms from vending machines?
I vote first and I vote "no."
Question: In regards to having absolutely no gun laws, one thing that would happen would be that you would see firearms sold out of vending machines, just as cigarettes were years ago. This means of course that ANYBODY who obtained the cash or credit card could purchase a firearm out of a vending machine and nobody could do one damn thing about it until and if that firearm was misused.
Please vote simply "yes" or "no" on the following question. Do you support no gun laws to include selling firearms from vending machines?
I vote first and I vote "no."
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trfox, dude, you are far past becoming an embarrassing display.
You are really getting desperate to 'somehow', 'someway', get 'someone' to agree with your collectivist-views on individual liberty, huh?
Just a thought for you to ponder.........It just may be that it is your views that are flawed and the lack of support for your ethic & philosophy in this area clearly indicates that it is you who are flawed.
In policing, we call that.......'a clue'.
Just so you know...0 -
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not yet.
if that's all he's got, i'm embarassed for him.
back to the topic.....
i would no more advocate allowing a 6 year old to obtain a weapon in an unsupervised fashion than i would advocate them driving a hemi cuda by themselves.
a gun and a car can both kill just as easily.
there are some things that children should not be allowed to do without the direct supervision of their parents.
but if i, or any other free adult citizen wants to purchase a firearm, it is our right to do so in an unimpeded manner.
don't like it?
move to a country that's more aligned with your views.
so, mr fox, answer me this....
do you think that it's society's responsibility to teach a child respect and right thinking, or the parents'?
do you think that i should be responsible for your kid's behavioral problems, or should you be held responsible?
if i get arrested for dui tonight, should i have your bar closed?
why do gun grabbers always bring minor children into the argument, when this is clearly an issue for adults?
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I wasn't gonna get in on this one but well said ringchild, well said.
How about no more legislation period. Repeal everything since 1913 including the federal reserve act and I would be ok with that. I fear that we are losing our free Republic. Remember, an armed populice is a polite society.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
trfox, dude, you are far past becoming an embarrassing display.
You are really getting desperate to 'somehow', 'someway', get 'someone' to agree with your collectivist-views on individual liberty, huh?
Just a thought for you to ponder.........It just may be that it is your views that are flawed and the lack of support for your ethic & philosophy in this area clearly indicates that it is you who are flawed.
In policing, we call that.......'a clue'.
Just so you know...
I don't think Fox gets it. He put up a post the other day and nobody would agree with him. In fact he was asked a couple questions, which he ignored. Then he started this post, which is the exact same as the other post, and he STILL can't get anyone to agree with him.
I don't quite get it either, because I know there are more like him here. Why won't they post? Embarrassed? Ashamed? Know they're stupid?
C'mon antis jump right in and enlighten us "crazies"[:X][:X]0 -
I think he wants to know if we keep loaded firearms out and about so he can report each and every one of us to the Gestapo.
TR, it is a parents responsibility to teach their children right from wrong. When I was growing up there was loaded firearms all over my house, but I knew better than to touch my fathers guns.
From a young age I would saddle up my horse, slide the 39a in the scabbard, model 19 on the hip and head into the woods for 2-3 days at a time.
I know accountability and responsibility is a hard idea for you to grasp, but it does exist, and is still being taught in some households by people who think responsibility is more than just lip service.0 -
Shall not be infringed = no laws
Punishment for crimes committed with arms, very few and very severe.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
So here is a DIRECT AND SPECIFIC question you will not like:
Regarding your own personal firearms, do you leave them loaded and unattended BOTH in your home and/or when out in public? Thereby making it possible for a child or deranged criminal to easily pickup your firearm and kill/injure someone (someone like you)?
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
Yes tr I even leave the gas can for the lawn mower out without the cap on it at the local school playground. I also let infants play with fillet knives, and this year instead of candy(don't want the tikes to have too many cavities)I handed out 357's on halloween so the kids could protect themselves from molestors. I also leave the keys in my car at all times no matter where I go and never lock the house.
Your close though, I leave my 1911 hanging from the mailbox loop by the trigger guard. But I do keep the safety on in case it's windy the gun doesn't go off, one can never be too safe when it comes to firearms. That way I don't forget it when leaving to the store. I also leave it on the hood of my car while shopping that way it's a deterant to criminals that might want to burglarize my car.
You really are completely insane aren't you.[:(]
I know where my kid is trick-or-treating next year.[:D]0 -
Every handgun, and every rifle I own is loaded fully and ready to be used if needed.
Full mags and one in the chamber. I even keep my bolt action .270 loaded and ready to fire. Some are kept in my safe, but some are not. Has nothing to do with kids as I have none,......if I did, I would still have loaded firearms around the house.
Does that answer your question?0 -
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Today is a good day, and to answer the question beeramid posed, I support the Constitution 100%.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Regarding your own personal firearms, do you leave them loaded and unattended BOTH in your home and/or when out in public? Thereby making it possible for a child or deranged criminal to easily pickup your firearm and kill/injure someone (someone like you)?
my weapons are loaded and ready, and kept in an easily accessed place.
i don't have children in my home, so that is a moot point.
regardless, when i leave my home, my weapons go into the safe (just in case someone wants to rob my house while i'm away, at least i know they're not getting my guns).
as far as an unattended gun in a home with children......
my father, being an officer and knowing what a bg is capable of, taught me how to use his llama .380 auto when i was 7, and by the time i was 9, he made sure i knew where it was kept and that it was loaded, and that i knew how to protect myself and my younger sister with it in case something happened.
i never used it to shoot a classmate, i never used it as a toy to play cops and robbers with my friends, i never brought it to school, and as a matter of fact, the only time i ever even picked it up was when we were training with it (either at the range or learning to tear it down in the kitchen).
it was a trouble free experience, because my dad took the time to teach me respect and discipline before he considered me mature enough to use a firearm in an unsupervised manner, if need be.
as i said, i believe the majority kids that cause problems were not properly raised or taught respect (for firearms or people), and that is the fault of the parents.
the solution is not to limit the law abiding.
the answer is to hold parents accountable for their kid's actions, and let them discipline their kids as they see fit (obvious abuse aside).0 -
Unloaded weapons defeat the purpose of their intended use, hence, every weapon that is immediately accessible in my home is loaded.
My kids are taught as I was; they do not touch any of the weapons in my home unless I or their mother are present. Both of them have learned from an early age that, until verified by the handler, all weapons are loaded and ready to discharge. They have learned well.
Each of them have a Chipmunk single-shot .22 rifle and a Remington 870 youth model. They are familiar with not only their own weapons, but mine as well. Although their dexterity may prevent them from opening the action on a few, I have familiarized them enough with all of them that they know how to open an action and visualize the chamber.
Furthermore, they also know that once a weapon leaves their hands, even if they maintain eye contact on it the entire time, the first action they take when they receive the weapon again is to open the action and confirm it is unloaded. Some folks may view this as unecessary or redundant, but it is the way I was taught; FWIW, I never witnessed my Dad experience a negligent discharge of a weapon. Neither my brother nor myself have experienced a ND with a weapon, and the same goes for my kids.
In short, it is about 'responsibility'; not only accepting it, but teaching it as well, and one law or 20,000+ laws will never serve as a substitute for it.
With rights comes responsibility, and if folks are unwilling to take that responsibility, they should be willing to accept the consequences of their refusal to exercise it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
I know where my kid is trick-or-treating next year.[:D]
Yeah, no kiddin'! Hey Hunter, you handin' out 357 rounds or complete 357 magnum firearms? No matter I'm still treating at your house next year![:D] Sounds like no TRICKIN' better go on though.[:o)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Beeramid
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
I was going to wait awhile and let some of you convoluted thinking guys indict yourselves to a greater degree, but it is late, I getting tired and bored with you guys. So here is a DIRECT AND SPECIFIC question you will not like:
Regarding your own personal firearms, do you leave them loaded and unattended BOTH in your home and/or when out in public? Thereby making it possible for a child or deranged criminal to easily pickup your firearm and kill/injure someone (someone like you)?
I will give you all time to dig your own graves on this subject and then I will be back.
Here's a question right back at you.
tr fox:
Do you support the US Constitution 100%?
Now start diggin.
We're still waiting to be buried by you and then saved by Pickenup.[:)]0 -
You thought those eyeballs you see pokin' out from under the bed was the money you could be saving with Geico, but it's really Foxie. 0 -
WSFIREDUDE,
I couldn't say it better. What you learned was standard in my home growing up and around my three sons.
Well done and well said.
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quote:Originally posted by Horse Plains Drifter
You thought those eyeballs you see pokin' out from under the bed was the money you could be saving with Geico, but it's really Foxie.
[:D][:D][:D]I can actually visualize it HPD. Spot-on, Brother.[:D]
Ol' Tr is the poster-boy for an ankle-biting, shivering rat.
Why he keeps subjecting himself to such exposure, in a continuing attempt to find 'someone', 'somewhere' who will 'somehow' agree with him and bolster his inner-feelings about his flawed views on individual liberty, is beyond me.
Desperation, bluster, 'duce1-esque' promises of a 'gotcha-moment' and a near complete lack of understanding of individual liberty and basic constitutional principles seems to define trfox.
He is a perfect representation of the NRA and its core-beliefs.0 -
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As an American I believe in strict adherence to the US Constitution, so I must vote "yes" or become a hypocrite. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
As an American I believe in strict adherence to the US Constitution, so I must vote "yes" or become a hypocrite.
I must admit I respect a short honest answer. Although if, with absolutely no gun laws, when kids stated buying guns out of vending machines I bet a whole lot of people here would find they didn't like that as much as they thought they would.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
As an American I believe in strict adherence to the US Constitution, so I must vote "yes" or become a hypocrite.
I must admit I respect a short honest answer. Although if, with absolutely no gun laws, when kids stated buying guns out of vending machines I bet a whole lot of people here would find they didn't like that as much as they thought they would.
Well, lets be honest. Your venfding machine idea is quite stupid. I mean, who is gonna carry around $1000 in quarters?0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
As an American I believe in strict adherence to the US Constitution, so I must vote "yes" or become a hypocrite.
I must admit I respect a short honest answer. Although if, with absolutely no gun laws, when kids stated buying guns out of vending machines I bet a whole lot of people here would find they didn't like that as much as they thought they would.
Well, lets be honest. Your venfding machine idea is quite stupid. I mean, who is gonna carry around $1000 in quarters?
Now that is funny[:D]0 -
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?0 -
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around his or others homes where there are children. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.0 -
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around his or others homes where there are children. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.
So now if I understand it Fox, you're telling me my grandfather (a man who served law enforcement for over 40 years), my father (with years in the Army) and myself (retired from the military and with professional degrees and licenses) are all idiots because we keep loaded firearms in our own homes with children around and NOTHING happened during the last 50 years? Exactly where do you get off judging me or anyone else as that goes? Pray do tell, is that how you justify why there ought to be laws about guns because people YOU JUDGE as idiots don't live and teach the way YOU BELIEVE. The last time I checked, this was the land of the free - not the land of those judged according to a jack-booted thug. I challenge your belief and opinion. Give me credible reason based on fact to controvert my facts on hand to have ANY change of changing my conduct. No, I do not mean vague ambiguities or generalities. I mean FACT as it applies to people who teach responsibility, duty and honor. I mean fact as it applies to scientific logic with ability to recreate the same circumstance absent your opinion or presence.
This sir, I do not see in any of your posts.
My opinion is just as valid as any you offer.0 -
According to tr fox, I am an idiot as well.
Guess I will have to answer for all those innocent people that were killed, because my CHILDREN grew up with loaded firearms laying around the house.
Oh wait, there were NO PEOPLE KILLED, guilty or innocent.
Maybe I did something wrong?
There should be dead bodies lying all over the place.
Well, according to.......some.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around his or others homes where there are children. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.
I, Sir, did not call you any names at all, much less a thug of any kind. Please reread my questions and answer the three questions you did not address.0 -
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by justusnospam
I'm curious to know, fox. Do YOU have children at home? Do YOU have loaded weapons in the home? DO you have ANY weapons at all? I don't know you except the few threads I've read here, but I wonder about you. ARE YOU for a free country? Or are you for more regulation than the constitution allowed for? Are YOU for a jackbooted gestapo coming into our homes to insure we are abiding by some left winger's law passed without the consent of the governed?
Quite frankly, given the direction and tone of your constant haranguing, I would definitely put you left of center. What say you?
The answer to your three questions is "Yes". And I don't have to be a "jack booted thug" to truthfully said that only an idiot would leave a loaded firearm laying around his or others homes where there are children. It is easy to understand that without even bringing up the consitution.
I, Sir, did not call you any names at all, much less a thug of any kind. Please reread my questions and answer the three questions you did not address.
He will not answer justnospam, he cannot answer your questions in the midst of his quest to find some one who sees things his way. No doubt there are those who do , just none around here as he thought... go figure[:D], bottom line is tr is a collectivist who believes a whole group of people should be denied rights because of a few, this will not change, you might as well be pizzen into the wind or talking to a rock, youll get a better response in your search of an answer to your questions[8D]0 -
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quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Yawn
We already know you are a gun control proponent just like Mr. Fox. I'm surprised more of you didn't run over here to help him out.0 -
Actually you dont anything. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Actually you dont anything.
What?0
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