Seems like a pretty bright man
Even a Southerner can recognize a great Northern General. William Tecumseh Sherman.
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy.War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want. Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.
"War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.I would make this war as severe as possible, and show no symptoms of tiring till the South begs for mercy.War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want. Every attempt to make war easy and safe will result in humiliation and disaster. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for any thing. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.
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before political correctness and the snowflake crowd took over........... 0 -
before taxing the working and giving to those that wont...before govt declared some groups as "special and privileged"....before courts punished the victim instead of the perps.......Americas flag is drooping lower than i have ever seen it 0 -
I knew before opening this thread it was NOT about Ken.... 
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I can say that during the coarse of my entire life, time spent working in the Southern States and having many southern friends, that whenever the conversations turned to the rare subject of General Sherman, all came back on me with more hatred and pure dislike (for the subject) than any other Union officer.
Sherman's actions from Atlanta to the sea made a statement that has lasted many generations since. Perhaps even bad enough to have given impressions in modern times for some yankee claims; that pockets in the south are still fighting the great war.
I will never believe that Sherman could one day ever become considered to be a national hero in the south. It truly would take a rewriting of history with all of the brainwashing that our modern day educational system could muster.0 -
You will not find a street, avenue, road, etc. in Atlanta named Sherman.
Had Robert Lee thought as Sherman, Washington, D.C. would have burned to the ground early in the war.0 -
Nothing like approval for raping and pillaging. Japs did it to China too.
For all the hype that fact remains that if the South had 1/2 the money, and or manufacturing the North would have lost BIGGLY!
Sherman may or may not have been a tactician and a Great General but how hard is it to burn down houses and barns and steal food from (pay attention confiscation people) defenseless farmers?0 -
I am from Atlanta. We are not too fond of General Sherman in Atlanta. 0 -
He was smart in that he recognized when a much inferior force has been kicking your ass for 4 years its time to turn and attack granny and the children. A lack of honor is the main requirement.
Its a lot easier to whip defenseless hungry civilians than to face someone as brilliant as Uncle Bobby Lee.0 -
toad67 wrote:I knew before opening this thread it was NOT about Ken....
WTH??
Sitting here minding my own business, exchanging pleasantries with Forum Members, when WHAM, out of the blue - a cheap shot. :shock:
I know you are just kidding Brother. We are all good.0 -
At Appomattox his men said we will fight on Gen. Lee just say the word. Billie Boy Sherman said you have to make the Rebels bleed, then they will understand. Sherman red hoted the rails and bent them double, no supplies, no escape for the CSA. We burned Richmond so the Union could not have it. I always wondered what Billie Boys men thought of him after the march to the Sea and the burning of Atlanta. We know what the folks in Atlanta think.
Living in the Socialist State of NY a little longer but a Native Son of Richmond.0 -
south (we ) lost from day one , they had no manufacturing base to produce armament and supplies , lower manpower to draw from ,
sad day when family's , farms , and homes burned and destroyed in the name of victory by Mr Sherman .
yes Anderson prison ( and many more on both sides ) were a terrible mark on history , but the north was also the one who stopped prisoner trades if I remember .
if you cant cloth and feed your troops where does that leave the POW's ,
different times different thoughts
will add I do think if the blacks get any federal moneys for evens well over a hundred years ago to people who were slaves ( by the way slaves were a world wide accepted way of life and still goes on today )
all the southerner decedents should also be paid for there hardship and losses in property and life.
sadly lot of brave men and women along with bright officers on both side of the line fought for there own reasons and many died .
I would wager many who fought would l be dishearten to see what has become of the country0 -
That's because many of them have Sherman's soldier's DNA in their ancestry and they don't want to admit it!! Northern by birth, southern by choice....look who is winning now, you couldn't pay me enough to live up in the crap hole north.Brookwood wrote:I can say that during the coarse of my entire life, time spent working in the Southern States and having many southern friends, that whenever the conversations turned to the rare subject of General Sherman, all came back on me with more hatred and pure dislike (for the subject) than any other Union officer.
Sherman's actions from Atlanta to the sea made a statement that has lasted many generations since. Perhaps even bad enough to have given impressions in modern times for some yankee claims; that pockets in the south are still fighting the great war.
I will never believe that Sherman could one day ever become considered to be a national hero in the south. It truly would take a rewriting of history with all of the brainwashing that our modern day educational system could muster.0 -
4205raymond wrote:At Appomattox his men said we will fight on Gen. Lee just say the word. Billie Boy Sherman said you have to make the Rebels bleed, then they will understand. Sherman red hoted the rails and bent them double, no supplies, no escape for the CSA. We burned Richmond so the Union could not have it. I always wondered what Billie Boys men thought of him after the march to the Sea and the burning of Atlanta. We know what the folks in Atlanta think.
Living in the Socialist State of NY a little longer but a Native Son of Richmond.
Spent a few years in high school in RVA (Benedictine)....my folks and sister have lived there since 1989. Civil war history is what brought my family to RVA. At the time my folks were looking to move south they focused on cities with strong Civil War history because my mother was fascinated with history at that time in her life. She even served as a docent at the Virginia Museum of History and Culture for several years.0 -
History and the horrors of the US civil war teach us that, war is not the answer. Thinking ahead to the 2020 election after looking back on 2016 results.
Evidently there will be problems with either election result.
A war of words beats blood letting every time. For the ignorant who take to the streets. Yes, for those there will be blood. It will be thier own.0 -
jimdeere wrote:You will not find a street, avenue, road, etc. in Atlanta named Sherman.
Had Robert Lee thought as Sherman, Washington, D.C. would have burned to the ground early in the war.
Lee was a political general and Sherman was a warrior general. Frankly, Sherman, Sheridan, and Grant understood what the war had become, and Lee did not.
That said, Sherman is an interesting historical figure, and while the actual orders he gave his soldiers and the anecdotal reports that have been passsed down through history differ greatly, it is most likely true that he did not sanction violence against non-combatants in his march to the sea other than the destuction of infrastructure and crops.
The calculated scorched earth policy and Sherman's military objectivity is evidenced to a great degree in the sparing of Savannah following its capitulation as compared to the destruction of upwards of half of Atlanta because of its resistance.
Sherman paved the way to the US adoption of total war and can in part be credited for the 'unconditional surrender' position taken up by Roosevelt at Casablanca in 1943. It pobably saved lives in the 1860s, but cost lives in 1940s.0 -
jimdeere wrote:You will not find a street, avenue, road, etc. in Atlanta named Sherman.
Had Robert Lee thought as Sherman, Washington, D.C. would have burned to the ground early in the war.
When I went in the army in the 1969, my home address in Wisconsin was on Sherman Road. By the way, it was not named after William Tecumseh, but some old unrelated farmer that built the first home there. Regardless, my military experience in Louisiana and Georgia always turned ugly when I was required to provide the address of my "home of record". :x0
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