Supressor suggestions?
Anyone have any input as to a good suppressor? Looking for something in 22 cal that can be mounted on an Ar-15 in 5.56/.223, a Ruger 10/22 with a TacSol barrel (already threaded), or a threaded Buckmark pistol. Quick-change capability would be a plus.
Thanks for any input!
Them 'coons are done for!
(in about 6-7 months and after around a thousand dollars!)
Thanks for any input!
Them 'coons are done for!
(in about 6-7 months and after around a thousand dollars!)
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LOL, that'll be fun. For now though, it's cheaper to buy the CB's. 0 -
5.56/.223 and .22LR suppressors are mutually exclusive. No .22LR can will withstand the pressure of a .223 cartridge. In fact, many can't handle .17 caliber. .22 rimfire is so dirty that it you really don't want to fire it through a .223 caliber suppressor unless that can is easily disassembled, and most centerfire rifle suppressors are not meant to be disassembled. .22 rimfire suppressors are almost exclusively direct thread- you screw it on and off the muzzle, while .223 caliber QD mounts are so big that they would look (I'll say silly) on a Ruger 10-22, much less a pistol. In any case, a typical .22LR suppressor weighs 4 or 5 ounces while a .223 suppressor weighs close to one pound. That's a lot of weight hanging on the end of a 10-22, much less a Buckmark, which weighs about two pounds. 0 -
...and while standard velocity .22 rimfire rounds are very quiet, supersonic .223 will still "crack" even with a silencer.
I have several threaded .22's but my favorite is the S&W M&P .22 Compact with the Silencerco Sparrow.
$950 total includes tax stamp.
Note: standard velocity ammo in a pistol should be subsonic. This may not be true in a longer rifle barrel. So you would have to shoot "Quiet" or other reduced loads.
It is my experience that standard velocity .22 will operate a semi- auto but the "quiets" will not. You will need a single-shot or bolt-action.0 -
OK, I guess this'll be strictly for the .22's then. Thanks for that info, Mark.
I like the looks of the SilencerCo Osprey Micro. Looks like decent reduction, 112.4 dB at 4" with standard velocity ammo. I like the asymetrical design that allows you to use the factory sights. It is configurable to different lengths so it can be 'customized' to a rifle or pistol.
Any input on that particular suppressor?0 -
.22LR cans are so small in diameter that factory sights almost always work; even my Walther PPK, which has tiny fixed sights, easily clears both of my .22 cans. Unlike SilencerCo's centerfire pistol cans, which uses a lever-locking system to "time" the can on the barrel, for .22LR you have to use shims on the companies threaded adaptor on each one of your pistols and rifles to get the device correctly timed. Doing that is a pain and because no manufacturer uses the same type of muzzle device if you bought another company's suppressor you'd have to remove the Osprey adaptor to go back to the 1/2X28 muzzle therads. Don't kid yourself, you'll wind up buying more than one .22 suppressor: including one (or two) for handguns and one for rifles...I did. I question the need for the modular design since the reduction in OAL from full sized to short is only about 1-1/2"...not much. SilenceroCo is a top brand so there is no issue with quality, I just question if you'd be getting full value from it's features.
These are the standard sights on both the Walther P22 and PPK/S and the sights on both will clear the suppressor.0 -
Here is the "larger" (though not by much) of the two cans in the above photo on my Ruger 10-22 takedown:
As you can see, the front sight easily clears the suppressor.0 -
There are several price points in the suppressor market. Radical makes some lower priced units and the cost goes up to ??? level. There's some decent units in the $300-400 range that will last a lifetime with normal use. If you intend to use the device for hunting, pay particular attention to user reviews regarding "first round pop" as when hunting, nearly every round is the first. My proprietary design actually reduces the FRP better than Son's factory made muffler.
Here's some of what I've found: You're wasting your time and the $$ spent on the can if you're using HV ammo in the 22lr. Yes, there's some noise reduction but the novelty of PHUT muzzle signature is lost. I don't even use HV ammo in the muffled 22's. For hunting/vermin control, sub-sonic HP is a better choice. It's fairly easy to quiet sub-sonic ammo to the point of hearing the striker fall and the bullet hit the target.
I've heard lots about how much cleaning is required for rimfire suppressors but Son has been shooting his on 22 pistol and rifle and 17 HMR rifle for 4 years and hasn't cleaned it at all. I can't say this is good as we may have to send it back to get it apart should it ever require cleaning but that's his choice. My rimfire cans are legally Form 1 built and the one I primarily use on my Ruger 22/45 pistol hasn't been cleaned for at least 500-600 rounds. I know it'll have to "soak" overnight before cleaning but that's part of the expectations.
Like Mark mentioned, a center fire capable suppressor is heavy and large making it cumbersome for general use AND if gunk builds up in a sealed can, you have to return it to the factory for cleaning.
Go to silencer shop's website and read up on the various choices and options before making your decision.0 -
Thanks for all the input, fellas. Please keep it coming!
Toad67 sent me a link to a fella here in Oregon that has some nice cans. (Pun intended! )
https://bowersgroup.com/product/bitty-22/
I really like the one in the link, especially for a pistol.
What do you folks think of that one?0 -
I saw one of their mini-cans at the SHOT Show. I don't have first hand experience with their product line, but Bowers has a good reputation in the industry. If you had a Beretta 21A then the micro-can would be perfect, but you're talking about a 10-22 rifle and a Buckmark, which is a large rimfire pistol. "Conventional" .22 suppressors range in size from 5-6 inches OAL, about twice the length of the little Bowers, which is priced in the upper range of .22 suppressors. I have to ask whether or not the micro-size is something you feel is worth paying a premium for? 0 -
mark christian wrote:I saw one of their mini-cans at the SHOT Show. I don't have first hand experience with their product line, but Bowers has a good reputation in the industry. If you had a Beretta 21A then the micro-can would be perfect, but you're talking about a 10-22 rifle and a Buckmark, which is a large rimfire pistol. "Conventional" .22 suppressors range in size from 5-6 inches OAL, about twice the length of the little Bowers, which is priced in the upper range of .22 suppressors. I have to ask whether or not the micro-size is something you feel is worth paying a premium for?
"I have to ask whether or not the micro-size is something you feel is worth paying a premium for?"
Yes and no... If it's not too much more then I'd like the idea of the smaller can. My primary requirement would be as quiet a can as possible. I didn't see where Bowers had a dB reduction listed, but did have actual dB registered at set distances. I thought I saw on their website that the price was $395? I thought that was pretty good.0 -
Take a look on the auction site. I found one for $325: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/821806754
On the other hand, for $50 additional, you can get the SIG-Sauer .22 in titanium: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/832134460
There is no shortage of guys here in the forum who will tell you exactly how to live your life, and I'm sure that includes how to spend your money, but I'm not one of them. I simply suggest that you do more research so as not to spend extra $$$ on features that you don't need, can't use, or are not especially useful on the planned host firearms. Don't get too hung up on decibel numbers. I'm not an acoustics engineer, but keep in mind that a decibel is a measure of sound power and not how that sound reacts to the human ear. It is quite possible to have a suppressor which measures two decibels more but sounds quieter to the ear.0 -
mark christian wrote:Take a look on the auction site. I found one for $325: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/821806754
On the other hand, for $50 additional, you can get the SIG-Sauer .22 in titanium: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/832134460
There is no shortage of guys here in the forum who will tell you exactly how to live your life, and I'm sure that includes how to spend your money, but I'm not one of them. I simply suggest that you do more research so as not to spend extra $$$ on features that you don't need, can't use, or are not especially useful on the planned host firearms. Don't get too hung up on decibel numbers. I'm not an acoustics engineer, but keep in mind that a decibel is a measure of sound power and not how that sound reacts to the human ear. It is quite possible to have a suppressor which measures two decibels more but sounds quieter to the ear.
Thanks, Mark!
I really appreciate the advice and education. I know next to nothing about suppressors and really appreciate having folks around that can help steer me in the right direction.0 -
dont know your range to the target but try CCI 22 quiet with a locked breach rifle (non autoloader). It would kill your coons out to 50 yds and the loudest noise is the hammer hitting the firing pin. 0 -
Be careful when looking at NFA items outside your state of residence. Some dealers may charge another $200 fee to transfer.
This why I like Silencer Shop--they have a dealer 70 miles from my home so transfers are fairly uncomplicated.0 -
Check out Black Aces Tactical.
https://www.blackacestactical.com/product-page/pro-series-56-po-boy-suppressor
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Anyone have any input as to a good suppressor? Looking for something in 22 cal that can be mounted on an Ar-15 in 5.56/.223, a Ruger 10/22 with a TacSol barrel (already threaded), or a threaded Buckmark pistol. Quick-change capability would be a plus.
Thanks for any input!
Them 'coons are done for!
(in about 6-7 months and after around a thousand dollars!)
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I wouldn't bank on "6-7 months". Right now, I'm over 300 days and still waiting. My next NFA stamp will be a Form 1 not connected to our trust. Which is better: a cheap but functional can with a limited life you can enjoy sooner but will have to be destroyed when you die or a can with a fancy logo that will "last a lifetime" and can be passed to others on your trust? I'm old and impatient which makes a big diff.
ATF is holding law abiding citizens hostage to their antiquated system.0 -
Yes, that's my suggestion. 0
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