sleepless night
Work stress kept my mind whirling all night, did not sleep at all, not even a dose off now and again....why is it that you lay there awake all night, ever so often looking at the clock rationalizing "well now if I fall asleep atleast I can get 4 hours, 3 hours, 2 hours oh fug it I'm getting up". so you get up...and the minute you start prepping to go to work your mind says "I'm ready to lay down and go to sleep now!'
not gonna be at my best today, not that I was yesterday either, but really gonna be a stretch today!! The week end is 10.5 hours away.
not gonna be at my best today, not that I was yesterday either, but really gonna be a stretch today!! The week end is 10.5 hours away.
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know the feeling shilow, haven't been up this early since retired, when I heard the alarm at 4:30 my first thought was I am late for work, got VA appointment this morning and hour and a half drive, don't think I got more than a full hour all night. at least I can come home and take a nap 
, hope your day goes smooth and safe0 -
feel for you , Ihave a lot of restless nights and not being a vet or LEO I could imagine the extra baggage that brings into th enight for many of you
and I will bet most lost track of how many nights we went thru it thinking OK I can make it with 4 hrs Ok 30 mins , too late
I had trouble sleeping my entire working life after I retired ( 5 years ) it has gotten worse to the point I am up most every night and fall alseep around 3 to 6.00 am in th emorning but sleep into the afternoon than feel bad for not getting what I want to done :x
I can fall alseep watching TV put on a easy talking swow ( my wife uses the old Bob ross programs or similar on youtube , his stedy calming voice puts her right out ) but as soon I go to bed my mind just has a major info dump from years ago to yesterday all all possible things imaganable . ( I sleep with a fan on and seperate room from my wife ) the fan help's with my hearing loss as a dirstraction but some nights it does not matter )
any way sorry to ramble on but its 6:20 and here I am still awake0 -
Happens to me frequently and I'm RETIRED. Well, that's what some folks think anyway. 0 -
I've never had much of an issue falling asleep at night.
Always think pleasant thoughts as you drift off to sleep and seldom dream.
They key is to have a very comfortable bed to relax in.
Slept in a waterbed for decades and later switched to a Sleep Number bed.0 -
When that happens it's best to just get out of bed for a bit and return to bed later. 2 hours is better than no hours. Get up, get a snack, some hydration and read a book usually works for me. 0 -
Got up at 2:00 AM today.
Went to the computer until about 2:30 then tried to go back to bed - nope.
Back up at 3:00 to the vault to dump the dehumidifier and rearrange some "stuff" inside. On to the computer to try and create some lists for upcoming displays at the Armory.
Let's try bed again. As I was getting in, I heard the radio come on so I knew it was time to get up (6:00 AM). Oh well - try anyway. It is raining (OK - thunderstorm) and that sometimes helps.
Back up again at 7:30 and it looks like it is time to start the day.
"Start the day" should not be much. I am trying to heal from surgery (foot) and get yelled at, when I go outside. Maybe I should have gone outside early while she was still sleeping?0 -
Sorry to hear this shilo. Been there too,haven't found a solution yet. Hang in there,best wishes. 0 -
Melatonin
Diphenhydramine (benadryl) (allergy med ingredient)
Turn off all entertainment media (TV phone radio etc... )
White noise (a small fan - thunderstorm or rainstorm generators)
No coffee or caffeinated soda or HFCS laden beverages - no pixie sticks after a certain time...
Establish a routine and rigidly strictly adhere to it...
Sleep mask - light blocking eye cover - blindfold
Ice water or a can of ginger ale by the bed
No playing with the phone or tablet or laptop or PC or personal electronic media device or platform - no apple watch or crackberry...
Do androids dream of electric sheep???
Mental exercises - build and spec out your dream resto MOD vehicle or restore a tractor in your head step by step...
Design or create the TO&E for a light infantry battalion in your head...
Imagine a gun room with rack space for 100 long guns - imagine what is on your list and fill those slots in your head...
Make a habit to walk the dog for 20 minutes before bed time
Make bed time a formality - make a clean and definitive break - change into sleep wear - sleep in your bed not on the couch in the living room or in your recliner...
Turn down the covers - turn off the lights - fluff the pillow - charge your phone...
Try to establish and keep a specific bedtime...
Turkey sandwich...
Find what works for you - pick and choose and try.
Mike0 -
Sorry to hear that.
I hope you are able to unwind and get some rest!0 -
Could be a number of reasons, work related or otherwise, as you well know Shilowar. Hopefully you can take a few min today and try to figure out what was keeping you up and address it in a manner that works for you. Sure hate to hear this happening to anyone...been there. 0 -
mrmike08075 wrote:Melatonin
Diphenhydramine (benadryl) (allergy med ingredient)
Turn off all entertainment media (TV phone radio etc... )
White noise (a small fan - thunderstorm or rainstorm generators)
No coffee or caffeinated soda or HFCS laden beverages - no pixie sticks after a certain time...
Establish a routine and rigidly strictly adhere to it...
Sleep mask - light blocking eye cover - blindfold
Ice water or a can of ginger ale by the bed
No playing with the phone or tablet or laptop or PC or personal electronic media device or platform - no apple watch or crackberry...
Do androids dream of electric sheep???
Mental exercises - build and spec out your dream resto MOD vehicle or restore a tractor in your head step by step...
Design or create the TO&E for a light infantry battalion in your head...
Imagine a gun room with rack space for 100 long guns - imagine what is on your list and fill those slots in your head...
Make a habit to walk the dog for 20 minutes before bed time
Make bed time a formality - make a clean and definitive break - change into sleep wear - sleep in your bed not on the couch in the living room or in your recliner...
Turn down the covers - turn off the lights - fluff the pillow - charge your phone...
Try to establish and keep a specific bedtime...
Turkey sandwich...
Find what works for you - pick and choose and try.
Mike
That's exactly what all I do and then I take an Ambian tablet to go to sleep.0 -
Smitty500mag wrote:That's exactly what all I do and then I take an Ambian tablet to go to sleep.
When I, and most people I talk to, go on Ambien, we all agree. It is the most peaceful, gentle drift off to sleep. Unfortunately it gets less effective for most very quickly. I have been on and off it and 3+ other meds over the years. I went on a time release Ambien before too. Even though my problem is falling asleep, not so much staying asleep, the doctor thought I should try it. It made me crazy and irrational. My wife (of nearly 29 years) said if I ever got back on it she's leaving me. I'd get up in the middle of the night and walk outside which set off the house alarm. I'd just stand on the porch seemingly not noticing the siren going off behind me. One night I was curled up on the bricks in front of the gas fireplace we had at that place. I had it cranked and thankfully I didn't burn. I would sleep eat. I would fall over standing up. I broke a couple kitchen cabinet doors and a piece of furniture in 3 different episodes. I have no earthly idea why the normal one didn't cause any of this, but the time release did. I do really miss that peaceful feeling of falling asleep.
Anymore, I fall asleep generally within 30-60 minutes but wake up every hour or so all night long. I wake up to go to the bathroom but it isn't so much that I need to go. I think my back pain wakes me up, my mind isn't sure why, and tells me to go to the bathroom. If I don't, I'll get wake up arguing with myself. Makes for very restless sleep but way better than it was way back in the day before I was diagnosed with OSA and got a CPAP machine. I am considering buying an o2 machine 2nd hand to try it. When I was tested for that, even with my CPAP, I was borderline whether I should have supplemental oxygen. I think the insurance company pushed them not to prescribe it because the doctor was telling me to try it and see if it helped.0 -
Yes you don't have a full bladder and don't have to urinate and are not incontinent...
But the signal telling you you have to take an urgent leak is overwhelming - disrupts your sleep cycle - interferes with REM sleep and you don't effectively clear out toxins and serotonin and you behave like as asshat...
Often you urinate - with little output cause the tank is empty and 20 minutes later you are awakened by the strong positive signal telling your body you urgently need to pee.
It's not a bladder or urinary tract infection - it's not incontinence - you don't need an adult diaper (clowns or bears) and your not dealing with prostate cancer.
It's a central nervous system short circuit - and your doc should be able to help quiet the signal or calm the urgent imperative...
I react rather badly to ambian and lunesta and other analogue meds.
Oh BTW don't let them give you lyrics.
Mike0 -
mrmike08075 wrote:But the signal telling you you have to take an urgent leak is overwhelming - disrupts your sleep cycle - interferes with REM sleep and you don't effectively clear out toxins and serotonin and you behave like as asshat...
I'll go with that reason (for me).0 -
I feel your pain SW.
This happens to me all the time.
Look on the good side at least no body is going to sneak up on you at night0 -
Sam06 wrote:I feel your pain SW.
This happens to me all the time.
Look on the good side at least no body is going to sneak up on you at night
I heard you Brothers.
If I got a "through the night" good sleep, I do not know what I would do with myself. No one will/would be sneaking up on me. Super light sleeper. Wake up multiple times per night. Takes forever to go back to sleep, even on 10mg Melatonin, 50 mg of Dyphenydramine, and 100-125 mg of CBD gummies. Nothing helps. If I ask for a prescription of Ambien, (which I have, through multiple Dr.'s, you'd think I was asking for Crack.) You get "the look." No Joy.
I hope that changes, after my "Sleep Study," coming up shortly.
CPAP, here I come.0 -
if they give you a choice, try the nasal pillow when you do the sleep test, to me it is more comfortable than a mask....KenK/84Bravo wrote:Sam06 wrote:I feel your pain SW.
This happens to me all the time.
Look on the good side at least no body is going to sneak up on you at night
I heard you Brothers.
If I got a "through the night" good sleep, I do not know what I would do with myself. No one will/would be sneaking up on me. Super light sleeper. Wake up multiple times per night. Takes forever to go back to sleep, even on 10mg Melatonin, 50 mg of Dyphenydramine, and 100-125 mg of CBD gummies. Nothing helps. If I ask for a prescription of Ambien, (which I have, through multiple Dr.'s, you'd think I was asking for Crack.) You get "the look." No Joy.
I hope that changes, after my "Sleep Study," coming up shortly.
CPAP, here I come.0 -
hillbille wrote:
if they give you a choice, try the nasal pillow when you do the sleep test, to me it is more comfortable than a mask....KenK/84Bravo wrote:Sam06 wrote:I feel your pain SW.
This happens to me all the time.
Look on the good side at least no body is going to sneak up on you at night
I heard you Brothers.
If I got a "through the night" good sleep, I do not know what I would do with myself. No one will/would be sneaking up on me. Super light sleeper. Wake up multiple times per night. Takes forever to go back to sleep, even on 10mg Melatonin, 50 mg of Dyphenydramine, and 100-125 mg of CBD gummies. Nothing helps. If I ask for a prescription of Ambien, (which I have, through multiple Dr.'s, you'd think I was asking for Crack.) You get "the look." No Joy.
I hope that changes, after my "Sleep Study," coming up shortly.
CPAP, here I come.
My nose has been broken several times. It maybe passes 20% of normal. I am a total mouth breather at night. Get Very claustrophobic. One of my worst nightmares is getting subdued/tied up, and something placed over my mouth. I would slowly suffocate, in short order.0 -
Sertaline (spelling) is primarily used as a mild anti depressant but a primary side effect is regulation of sleep cycle and maintenance of REM sleep...
It does work and does not exhibit some of the more prominent unpleasant side effects and negative physical manifestations associated with similar analogues...
If you can tolerate the perceived stigma of being on what some see as a psych med.
IMHO it's worth a try though YMMV.
Ask your doctor - I am serious about it's efficacy.
Mike0 -
I made it through the day, though i was dragging ass. Got my second wind around noon but i was in bed at 6:15PM. I do not normally have completely sleepless nights. My schedule i typically sleep soundly from 7pm -1 or 2 AM then one of my dogs will wake me to let them out and I toss and turn from then on until the alarm goes off at 3:18AM. Well I made it to the week end so I'll probably take atleast one nap today, I was out lastnight, slept pretty wel. 0 -
mrmike08075 wrote:Melatonin
Diphenhydramine (benadryl) (allergy med ingredient)
Turn off all entertainment media (TV phone radio etc... )
White noise (a small fan - thunderstorm or rainstorm generators)
No coffee or caffeinated soda or HFCS laden beverages - no pixie sticks after a certain time...
Establish a routine and rigidly strictly adhere to it...
Sleep mask - light blocking eye cover - blindfold
Ice water or a can of ginger ale by the bed
No playing with the phone or tablet or laptop or PC or personal electronic media device or platform - no apple watch or crackberry...
Do androids dream of electric sheep???
Mental exercises - build and spec out your dream resto MOD vehicle or restore a tractor in your head step by step...
Design or create the TO&E for a light infantry battalion in your head...
Imagine a gun room with rack space for 100 long guns - imagine what is on your list and fill those slots in your head...
Make a habit to walk the dog for 20 minutes before bed time
Make bed time a formality - make a clean and definitive break - change into sleep wear - sleep in your bed not on the couch in the living room or in your recliner...
Turn down the covers - turn off the lights - fluff the pillow - charge your phone...
Try to establish and keep a specific bedtime...
Turkey sandwich...
Find what works for you - pick and choose and try.
Mike
Also, apply as needed: Remove your eyeglasses/contacts; hearing aids; dentures; back brace, etc.0 -
KenK/84Bravo wrote:
My nose has been broken several times. It maybe passes 20% of normal. I am a total mouth breather at night. Get Very claustrophobic. One of my worst nightmares is getting subdued/tied up, and something placed over my mouth. I would slowly suffocate, in short order.
Mine had too when I was younger. I had surgery for to fix my deviated septum and fix the other issues internally caused by the breaks. I think you'd be best served with a full mask then. I chose full face largely because I have allergies and if you are plugged up with only a nasal pillow, you can't use it. I use a Mirage Quattro full face mask: https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/products/masks/mirage-quattro.html I used to have a different one that the forehead support kept breaking on, maybe due to me being a side sleeper. I've had this one for years now. I started out with a true CPAP (meaning Constant Positive Air Pressure) but I kept having major ear infections. So, they suggested a Bi-PAP which helped. Those have 2 pressures as the name suggests. This one also had the auto-ramp feature to start pressure low and slowly raises it to the set amount. This helped keep my ears from wanting to pop too. I recently upgrade my machine but stuck with the Resmed line. This time I got an AirSense S10 autoset https://www.resmed.com/us/en/consumer/products/devices/airsense-10-autoset.html. I really like it. It also has a heated hose which really does help keep the humidifier water from condensating in the hose which then gives you a "rainout" when you roll over with water splashing on your face. That will wake you up ticked off! We sleep in a cold room, but I run a little more humidity than would always stay vapor in those settings.
If you end up getting/needing a machine, this is what I tell everyone:
The first week you will fight it, constantly yanking on the hose, feeling claustrophobic, can't fall asleep, etc. By week two, you still won't like it but it won't be as big of a nuisance. By the 3rd or 4th week, you'll wonder how you ever did without it. When I do dry camping or hunting trip, I can tell by about day 3 that I am much more lethargic.
So, some suggestions for those first few weeks, have the hose running across the sheets or something where they aren't touching your bare skin. At first it will wake you up every time. If you are feeling claustrophobic, a colder room helps, as does moving air. I actually have a ~10" fan on my night stand. I had to use it constantly at first to keep from the claustrophobic feeling. There is also a position you can extend your jaw out that basically vents the pressure. If I feel I can't get enough air, I can do that. In reality I think it is in my head as I think my machine could put out as much as I could breathe in.
If you wake up with your mouth dry, increase the humidity. Your region, home temperature, and ambient humidity will largely dictate what humidity level you have it set on. I recommend starting low and working your way up. In the end, I'll suggest running it at the highest setting that never "rains out". For me, I live in Oklahoma where it has moderate humidity. But, we keep our house at night at 68 in the summer, and colder in the winter. So, I had mine set to 3 in the summer and 2 in the winter with the heated hose set at 71. Buying a hose wrap allows you to run slightly higher humidity if you still need more.
Lastly, either buy a CPAP shelf like this https://www.amazon.com/CPAP-Holders-by-JMarkUnlimited-LLC/dp/B008ZRL3F6 that goes between your mattresses or what I do is open my top drawer on my night stand. That way it is a couple inches lower than the bed, and sits a few inches down in the drawer. When I have traveled, I generally try a similar arrangement but occasionally I couldn't. Numerous times I have pulled the CPAP machine off the shelves offered at a hotel. I think I ruined my last one because one night I had a nightmare I think and pulled my CPAP out of the top drawer onto the bed with me which of course dumped all the water everywhere. It never worked quite right after that.0 -
shilowar wrote:Work stress kept my mind whirling all night, did not sleep at all, not even a dose off now and again....why is it that you lay there awake all night, ever so often looking at the clock rationalizing "well now if I fall asleep atleast I can get 4 hours, 3 hours, 2 hours oh fug it I'm getting up". so you get up...and the minute you start prepping to go to work your mind says "I'm ready to lay down and go to sleep now!'
not gonna be at my best today, not that I was yesterday either, but really gonna be a stretch today!! The week end is 10.5 hours away.
I hate that. Hope you aren't dragging too much today too. One sleepless night can screw me up for a few days.0
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