What's yalls take on these new armored schoolbags?
I see them as a new target in what's otherwise, an already target rich zone, for some whacko to prove ineffectiveness.
How many teenagers have the wherewithall to react quickly enough to shield their vitals and ward off an attack.
I've seen where some Colorado schools are actively placing armed teachers in the school and catching flack for doing so. But... I'll bet those few schools will not become targets. Whackos will pass up those schools for others with out armed resistance in place.
How many teenagers have the wherewithall to react quickly enough to shield their vitals and ward off an attack.
I've seen where some Colorado schools are actively placing armed teachers in the school and catching flack for doing so. But... I'll bet those few schools will not become targets. Whackos will pass up those schools for others with out armed resistance in place.
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what good is one of those going to be against a FMJ out of a AR? nothing , probably put a bigger hole thru the kid 0 -
Those things are selling for $200-300 aren't they. So they're a status symbol. A Facebook trophy claim of affluence. That's all. They don't have to stop a spitball. All they need is a brand name bold and prominent. I'd like to read the disclaimers on the printed material that comes with them. Wait, no I wouldn't. 0 -
My take is that the money could be better spent elsewhere. 0 -
I am not going to disparage someone for trying to be pro-active in their own defense. A lot of police officers wear armor that can't handle a rifle round, I don't disparage them either. It's just a tool. If the kid is going to carry a back pack anyway it may as well have another use. 0 -
Its a feel good countermeasure for people who oppose arming teachers. 0 -
That's fine , but how many kids wear a back pack all day in school ? Think I'd rather teach my kid to be responsive, rather than a target. My 2 cents. 0 -
Be OK if they came with a fully loaded firearm inside!
Otherwise, it's just a silly marketing ploy to separate people from their money.
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The back packs I saw had the usual mix of bright colors & cartoon characters, & were selling for $120-150. Sewn inside was a pocket to hold a thick insert made of several layers of kevlar. Instructions were to wear the backpack with your back towards the threat, curled up in a ball.
Of course, they aren't rated like LEO vests, so I don't think that they would do your child much good in a shooting. But, it would protect your child from a pit bull attack if he were to jam it down the attacker's throat. Otherwise, just a gimmick to make a few dollars.
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Gecko 45 swore by his tactical armor plated briefcase. 0 -
Back packs already screw up kids spines. Let?s put 10 more pounds in them. 0 -
sad what our country has come to. 0 -
I would need at least ten to cover my fat behind. 0 -
Body armor not bullet proof...
Try to wrap you head around that.
Unless you sporting dragon skins and a secondary vest with insert plates almost every single rifle round will penetrate...
Even if you could stop all bullets the force of impact would liquefy your internal organs - there is little distributive effect on impact shock and trauma
And only your torso is offered protection and not equal on the sides - and okay you can have a Kevlar pot but it's not stopping a rifle round and it's not supposed to - neither is body armor
Than you have the media myth of a high powered rifle - never heard of a low powered one or a medium powered one or a normal one...
It's white noise nonsense.
My 1886 lebel rifle - the father of all modern rifles and the first true modern arm will eat body armor for breakfast - and helmets - and I would not want to be hit by one wearing dragon skins with supplementary titanium or ceramic frangible impactor plates
Protect yourself and wear your issue gear if on the job - it gives you an edge and offers some protection from handgun rounds and birdshot
It might keep you alive until the medics get to you or they evac you.
Mostly effective against shrapnel from artillery and mortars and grenades and collateral damage from indirect fire weapons...
Even mines are designed to mostly impact the feet and legs below the beltline.
Rifles kill.
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Warbirds wrote:Its a feel good countermeasure for people who oppose arming teachers.
This.0 -
Several legitimate companies have offered backpacks with real body armor materials including Kevlar weaves and various plate inserts...
Along with a true certified protective rating - and they are not cheap.
Last I had heard the drill was to wear the packs across the front of your torso while being evacuated or taking a defensive position.
You guys are correct that these packs are not meeting real standards or being tested or made of the correct materials...
I saw one idiot on the new praising the fact that a more pricey variant had been made from recycled police body armor and vests...
Would anyone care to tell the class why old used LEO vests are not a good idea - or why cutting into the material to alter the dimensions is pretty stupid???
I know that our members who have been on the job understand the answer - bet you Nunn does.
And please note my remarks are not directed at our first responders or vets - but at idiots who should no better.
It's a bandaid approach were a trauma pack and clotting agents are needed.
Typical.
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Flying Clay Disk wrote:My HS had a shooting range inside of it. It was common to see someone walking down the hall with a rifle. We even had a for-credit class in Marksmanship (taught by the Drafting teacher, Mr. Kershisnik). Every truck in the parking lot had a rifle rack, many with rifles in them.
You know what? No one ever went crazy and shot up the school. There were never any gunfights. And no outsiders ever came to the school to shoot up the place.
Nobody needed any stinking body armor!
Why are things different now?
My wife and I were talking just last night about that. I got my hunters safety card at age 9 (I think based on the teacher that did the class) during school hours. We did not have a range in school, so we went less than a mile away to the national guard armory. We also had guns in rifle racks at school, though that practice was stopping about the time I graduated (89).
What changed? Some will say religion, but I think it is not that easy. Lack of parental oversight. Kids spend more and more time on their own. It also used to be that if kids were bullied, when they went home, they got away from it. Now, they continue to get bullied thanks to social media and always connected world. It also used to be you could have a scrap with someone. You could get whatever beef you had over with, and move on. Now, they stop that before any fights happen. That isn't a bad thing necessarily. But, I think two of the biggest things are that as time goes on, kids have more and more free time. Time to let the days transgressions really set in, to fester, until they act out. The lack of exposure to real guns and handling removes the reality to killing. I learned at a young age the sight, sound, smell of a kill of an animal. I could not envision that happening to a person. It was a horrifying thought. I think desensitization to violence on TV/movies plays into that. The heroes always come out unscathed after 100 to 1 odds going in. In video games kids play, they kill and the person gets back up and plays some more. I play those very type of video games and it doesn't affect me. But, I was an adult before I really played any at all. Now, very young children are growing up with that exposure constantly.0 -
montanajoe wrote:Warbirds wrote:Its a feel good countermeasure for people who oppose arming teachers.
This.
I'm curious how you all know the people who buy these oppose arming teachers?0 -
I home school. Not out of fear of a school shooting but out of fear of a chitty education for my kids. Ar500 will stop most commonly used centerfire rifle rounds and all pistol rnds. Plates are cheap too. 0 -
SCOUT5 wrote:montanajoe wrote:Warbirds wrote:Its a feel good countermeasure for people who oppose arming teachers.
This.
I'm curious how you all know the people who buy these oppose arming teachers?
Don't you know SCOUTS, some people know everything. Just ask them0 -
SCOUT5 wrote:I am not going to disparage someone for trying to be pro-active in their own defense. A lot of police officers wear armor that can't handle a rifle round, I don't disparage them either. It's just a tool. If the kid is going to carry a back pack anyway it may as well have another use.
Absolutely right on this one. Even if it won't stop all bullets, some protection is better than no protection... and if it slows it down enough to where it doesn't penetrate deep enough to kill somebody then it's a good thing. Sure they'll get hurt but they may not get killed
And what really made me laugh was when a couple people here said that the people that buy these are opposed to teachers being armed. I guess it doesn't make any sense for police or a soldier to wear any protection either in their eyes, they must think just being in the vicinity of a firearm will stop a bullet coming your way within 100 yards of you.... how laughable is that Hahahaha
And what made me laugh too, was when a couple people here said that kids don't wear their backpack all the time at school anyway so that they're worthless. Doesn't realize that when they are wearing it that it wouldn't be worth it. Then after an active shooting starts, the kids are informed of it so that the ones that do have these I can put them on if they don't already have it on. Of course that won't protect the first shed or few at the start of an active shooting, but it sure will help the ones after it's,, started
The ones here that are saying that they're worthless would welcome that kind of protection in a gunfight no matter what the person they were fighting is using. Again, that kind of protection may not be able to stop a certain caliber but it sure will slow down to where it will mean the difference between life and death0
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