Police officers??? Getting pulled over?
My mom got pulled over this evening with my wife and kids in the car with her plus my 2 nephews. Is it standard practice for the officer to ask for the DL of passenger (my wife) and then ask if they had any guns or knifes in the vehicle?
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Its the new world "papers please". 0 -
I say no. Dude was seriously fishing or trying for a two-fer. Like getting lucky if the passenger had a warrant. Unless they looked Mexican.
As for the knives and guns your people must looked dangerous.
These "stop and question" are the reasons why folks getting all "Am I Being Detained?" and "Am I Free to Go?".0 -
I have never had that happen. they have done all sorts of other stuff, like ask me where I got my driver's licence (as if it's a fake), give me the same 3 tickets the other cop just did 1/2 hour ago, or "help" you look for your insurance card in your glove box with their flashlight so they can see what else might be in there (they like that one) but never have asked right off the bat if I had any weapons in the car. must have been messing with your mom. sounds like a scare tactic. 0 -
That?s what you get for buying a house out in Da Hood on wrong side of the road in that area. 
Maybe they wanted to know, so if they didn?t, they could issue a couple since it?s such a rough neighborhood.
You should have bought North towards Montana Joe in the burbs.
Honestly, seems a little strange, but protocols may have changed since the last I was pulled over in Montana several years back.
Mule0 -
"ma'am, do you have any guns in your car?
no?
you need to get one, here's a voucher for one of those .40 police trade-ins, you can come to the station Monday through Friday 9 to 5 to pick one up. have a nice day and drive safely."0 -
Im not an officer but I can say on several occasions I have seen or been asked for my ID as a passenger,, they will look to see if you have any outstanding warrants 0 -
I haven't been pulled over in the last 17 years.
Before that, After the normal "License,Regs, insurance card", never was asked about guns, and never had passagers asked for id.
I have told a leo once that I had a loaded .45 in my brief case on the pass seat with a permit in my wallet.
He said don't touch the case, and didn't even ask to see the permit.
After he returned my 3 pieces of paper with a warning about FULL stops at the stop sign, I asked why didn't he ask to see my gun or permit.
He said, you told me about it, an "assshoole perp" wouldn't have.0 -
They were in Inkom Idaho. They were coming back from Lava and stopping by the Inkom cemetery to see grandma?s headstone that was placed yesterday.dpmule wrote:That?s what you get for buying a house out in Da Hood on wrong side of the road in that area.
Maybe they wanted to know, so if they didn?t, they could issue a couple since it?s such a rough neighborhood.
You should have bought North towards Montana Joe in the burbs.
Honestly, seems a little strange, but protocols may have changed since the last I was pulled over in Montana several years back.
Mule0 -
By what reason/authority does an officer have the right to ask a passenger for ID?? Is that by state law? Or?? Unless the passenger is suspected of a crime, how is it legal to request for ID??? 0 -
DirtyDawg wrote:By what reason/authority does an officer have the right to ask a passenger for ID?? Is that by state law? Or?? Unless the passenger is suspected of a crime, how is it legal to request for ID???
Your last sentence tells how it is "legal". {note the " " around legal}
The Leo only needs to show a report of a "male, 20 to 32 years old, white, short hair" wanted for something. Or some other law report of a crime that matches the person.
You can find a report that matches almost anyone. Probable cause.0 -
babun wrote:DirtyDawg wrote:By what reason/authority does an officer have the right to ask a passenger for ID?? Is that by state law? Or?? Unless the passenger is suspected of a crime, how is it legal to request for ID???
Your last sentence tells how it is "legal". {note the " " around legal}
The Leo only needs to show a report of a "male, 20 to 32 years old, white, short hair" wanted for something. Or some other law report of a crime that matches the person.
You can find a report that matches almost anyone. Probable cause.
If I was the passenger being asked to produce an ID, would it be fair to ask the officer "on what basis do you suspect me of a crime?" and then ask the office to provide proof of the "probable cause"???0 -
Idahobound wrote:
They were in Inkom Idaho. They were coming back from Lava and stopping by the Inkom cemetery to see grandma?s headstone that was placed yesterday.dpmule wrote:That?s what you get for buying a house out in Da Hood on wrong side of the road in that area.
Maybe they wanted to know, so if they didn?t, they could issue a couple since it?s such a rough neighborhood.
You should have bought North towards Montana Joe in the burbs.
Honestly, seems a little strange, but protocols may have changed since the last I was pulled over in Montana several years back.
Mule
Was it a county mounty or ISP?0 -
Inkom police dept 0 -
Apparently none of you watch Live PD they do it all the time on that show. 0 -
They can ask all the questions they like. Doesn't mean you have to answer any of them. If you really want to speed up a stop and have them move along just start picking your nose and coughing alot. Nobody wants to deal with or hang out and chat with a sick person. 😁 0 -
Cops are very busy sometimes. Just read this article.
https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/07/20/ma-police-advise-criminals-to-hold-off-until-heatwave-is-over/0 -
Seems like a major portion of law officers being shot are during traffic stops. If you think about it in that frame of reference then perhaps it is not an unreasonable question. Bob 0 -
Is there a "10 code" for "go flip yourself"?? 0 -
BobJudy wrote:Seems like a major portion of law officers being shot are during traffic stops. If you think about it in that frame of reference then perhaps it is not an unreasonable question. Bob
Your right someone planning on shooting a officers is going to let them know that they are armed.0 -
No, in most states you have no obligation to tell police you are armed unless they ask. If they have no other legitimate cause to pull you over, they should not ask. I tell them anyway, seems only common sense to let them know I am licensed and armed. A guy that knows what he is dealing with is less likely to be caught off guard and make a bad decision. I have rarely (but a few times) been pulled over for doing nothing, except in DWI sweeps. 0 -
Idahobound wrote:BobJudy wrote:Seems like a major portion of law officers being shot are during traffic stops. If you think about it in that frame of reference then perhaps it is not an unreasonable question. Bob
Your right someone planning on shooting a officers is going to let them know that they are armed.
So what would your solution be? No traffic stops because they are to dangerous? Approach vehicle with gun drawn and frisk occupants for rolling stop infraction? I didn't say asking was practical just understandable and not unreasonable. Bob0 -
BobJudy wrote:Idahobound wrote:BobJudy wrote:Seems like a major portion of law officers being shot are during traffic stops. If you think about it in that frame of reference then perhaps it is not an unreasonable question. Bob
Your right someone planning on shooting a officers is going to let them know that they are armed.
So what would your solution be? No traffic stops because they are to dangerous? Approach vehicle with gun drawn and frisk occupants for rolling stop infraction? I didn't say asking was practical just understandable and not unreasonable. Bob
How about don't harass the citizens, and just write the ticket for an actual violation.
As the citizen, don't volunteer any information. And make sure you tell them you do not consent to searches to their probing questions.
Do you have any drugs or firearms? I don't consent to any searches.
They ask again, same answer.
Caveat-- Most permits require you to inform the officer if you are carrying, they do not have to ask.0 -
mag00 wrote:BobJudy wrote:Idahobound wrote:
Your right someone planning on shooting a officers is going to let them know that they are armed.
So what would your solution be? No traffic stops because they are to dangerous? Approach vehicle with gun drawn and frisk occupants for rolling stop infraction? I didn't say asking was practical just understandable and not unreasonable. Bob
How about don't harass the citizens, and just write the ticket for an actual violation.
As the citizen, don't volunteer any information. And make sure you tell them you do not consent to searches to their probing questions.
Do you have any drugs or firearms? I don't consent to any searches.
They ask again, same answer.
Caveat-- Most permits require you to inform the officer if you are carrying, they do not have to ask.
I agree do harass.0 -
The constitution bars the police from unnessarry search.
Know your rights. However, if you have commited a crime all bets are off.0 -
DirtyDawg wrote:By what reason/authority does an officer have the right to ask a passenger for ID?? Is that by state law? Or?? Unless the passenger is suspected of a crime, how is it legal to request for ID???
Terry Vs. Ohio. It is not legal to ask for ID unless you are suspected of a crime. Youtube has a ton of videos on this exact subject. Politely refuse to produce ID and stand your ground.0 -
Some states, by law, you are REQUIRED to advise the office you have a firearm....specifically in 12 states as of Dec. 2017, maybe more by now and in some even if NOT asked.
http://aliengearholsters.com/blog/which-are-the-duty-to-inform-states/0 -
Quick&Dead wrote:Some states, by law, you are REQUIRED to advise the office you have a firearm....specifically in 12 states as of Dec. 2017, maybe more by now and in some even if NOT asked.
http://aliengearholsters.com/blog/which-are-the-duty-to-inform-states/
Ohio is one of them. If stopped you MUST inform the officer you have a CCW permit and inform him if you are armed. You may be asked to surrender the firearm during the stop. Most LEO's don't do that and simply ask you where the firearm is and to keep leave it alone.0 -
bpost wrote:Quick&Dead wrote:Some states, by law, you are REQUIRED to advise the office you have a firearm....specifically in 12 states as of Dec. 2017, maybe more by now and in some even if NOT asked.
http://aliengearholsters.com/blog/which-are-the-duty-to-inform-states/
Ohio is one of them. If stopped you MUST inform the officer you have a CCW permit and inform him if you are armed. You may be asked to surrender the firearm during the stop. Most LEO's don't do that and simply ask you where the firearm is and to keep leave it alone.
Knowledge is power ........ and knowing the 'right' knowledge can keep your butt out of trouble.0
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