Ummmm, I think we have a problem, Houston (and everywhere)
How is this not a machinegun? This is a machinegun... by definition of machinegun.
https://www.ballisticmag.com/2019/07/10/standard-mfg-s333-thunderstruck-available/?fbclid=IwAR2iSIvsNmaYpbzvYYYOornFRDmX7x-CMr58obJ4aKe2axrZVciN_IPNtvQ
The manufacturer is dreaming.
Plus, that trigger guard is laughable.
https://www.ballisticmag.com/2019/07/10/standard-mfg-s333-thunderstruck-available/?fbclid=IwAR2iSIvsNmaYpbzvYYYOornFRDmX7x-CMr58obJ4aKe2axrZVciN_IPNtvQ
The manufacturer is dreaming.
Plus, that trigger guard is laughable.
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Made in my home town. Not far from where I grew up. I?m surprised - connecticut is pretty anti gun... 0 -
26 U.S.C. ? 5845(b)
? 5845. Definitions
For the purpose of this chapter?
(a) Firearm
The term ??firearm?? means (1) a shotgun hav-
ing a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in
length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such
weapon as modified has an overall length of less
than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than
18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or
barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a
weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as
modified has an overall length of less than 26
inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16
inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as de-
fined in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any
silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18,
United States Code); and (8) a destructive de-
vice. The term ??firearm?? shall not include an
antique firearm or any device (other than a ma-
chinegun or destructive device) which, although
designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds by
reason of the date of its manufacture, value, de-
sign, and other characteristics is primarily a
collector?s item and is not likely to be used as
a weapon.
(b) Machinegun
The term ??machinegun?? means any weapon
which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
readily restored to shoot, automatically more
than one shot, without manual reloading, by a
single function of the trigger. The term shall
also include the frame or receiver of any such
weapon, any part designed and intended solely
and exclusively, or combination of parts de-
signed and intended, for use in converting a
weapon into a machinegun, and any combina-
tion of parts from which a machinegun can be
assembled if such parts are in the possession or
under the control of a person.0 -
Here's hoping it's a new, untouchable loophole in the system that can be exploited to its fullest potential. 0 -
IMO it looks stupid. 0 -
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Is this that much different from a double barrel shotgun really? I know some have a trigger for each barrel, but some will fire both barrels with a single pull if both the hammers are back.
Do I want one? Not even a little...0 -
bambihunter wrote:Is this that much different from a double barrel shotgun really? I know some have a trigger for each barrel, but some will fire both barrels with a single pull if both the hammers are back.
Do I want one? Not even a little...
Yes. This has one trigger. One pull discharges both bbls.0 -
TRAP55 wrote:
So far as I know, this has two triggers. One for each bbl.0 -
There are some doubles that CAN fire both barrels from a single trigger, though they are mostly the older hammered type.
Do I think this is a machine gun? No, do I think it is really pushing the boundary and will likely be banned? Yes. To me, it is a built in version of a Hell-fire or BMF trigger, or bump stock.0 -
Short barrel 22 mag.. about 100ftpds of energy per rd. Yes a real man stopper. Just well shoot them with a single rd of .380 or less. 0 -
Either gun, one pull, two rounds fired. The Fostech Echo trigger for AR-15's does the same thing with pull, then release. After the bump stock fiasco, I can see all of this next on their list. 0 -
One single pull of a trigger for each barrel . Two triggers. Non NFA. A double barrel shotgun with two triggers is also non NFA 0 -
"Thunderstruck is an intriguing self-defense option". Not for me it's not. 0 -
I saw the pistol at this years SHOT Show. It is a well made revolver and it fits the hand, or at least my hand, surprisingly well. A single pull of the trigger, firing a single round from one of two barrels is not by definition a machinegun. As you might expect, the pistol is bulky. A S&W J-Frame is smaller, and (IMO) five rounds of .38 Special is better bet than 8 rounds of .22WMR. It's not for everyone, but unusual designs are never intended to have mass appeal. 0 -
Lets check the math...
22mag X 2 = 44 double magnum.0 -
bustedknee wrote:Lets check the math...
22mag X 2 = 44 double magnum.
I had to look at that a second time. When I (finally) figured it out...I laughed twice as hard.0 -
I see 2 triggers on that revolver. 0 -
mark christian wrote:I saw the pistol at this years SHOT Show. It is a well made revolver and it fits the hand, or at least my hand, surprisingly well. A single pull of the trigger, firing a single round from one of two barrels is not by definition a machinegun. As you might expect, the pistol is bulky. A S&W J-Frame is smaller, and (IMO) five rounds of .38 Special is better bet than 8 rounds of .22WMR. It's not for everyone, but unusual designs are never intended to have mass appeal.
Does it actually fire from only one bbl at a time? I'm just going by this write up which says it fires off both bbls at the same time.0 -
It makes no difference. Read the definition that you posted regarding machineguns. I'll wait....[time out for a shot of rye]...Okay.
(b) Machinegun
The term ??machinegun?? means any weapon
which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
readily restored to shoot, automatically more
than one shot, without manual reloading, by a
single function of the trigger.
This is a revolver and not an automatic pistol. The person pulling the trigger is providing all of the impetus to operate and fire the pistol's two firing mechanisms. There is no "automatic" action of any kind taking place. Because of the amount of force needed for two complete firing mechanisms, the trigger is specifically designed for use with two fingers. The top finger releases a Glock-style safety, and then the combined strength of the two fingers provides a better trigger pull than you might expect.0 -
I think I would like it if they shortened the grip to 2 fingers instead of 3, put an actual trigger guard on it, got rid of the silly double-U trigger, and chambered it for .327 magnum. then I think it would look sort of badass.
single shot of course.0 -
I'm gonna get one in .40 S&W,,, 0 -
Mark Christian nailed it. The ATF makes reference to a "volley gun", where more than 1 barrel is fired by it's own firing pin- and is NOT a machinegun. 0 -
So you can shoot ?Snake Eyes? 0 -
The Winchester Model 1897 and 1912 pump shotguns you only have to pull the trigger once and hold it down and pump it until it's six 12 Ga. 00 Buck shells are empty. Does that make them a machine gun? I don't know but the German's sure thought they were when our Dough Boys jumped in the trenches with them and cleaned them out.
The German's even BO0-HOOed and issued a diplomatic protest to the war cancel over those mean old shotguns as being inhumane. The same people that were using mustard gas and flame throwers on us and the allies were protesting about pump shotguns being used on them. Well BOO f'ning HOO there Adolf! General Black Jack Pershing said stuff that protest up your sorry flatulent ass Adolf!
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drobs wrote:I see 2 triggers on that revolver.
If they technically count the "blade style safety" on the top portion of the trigger as a second trigger that would make sense. Perhaps that is why they have the double length trigger, with out the second curve it might not qualify as two triggers.0 -
mark christian wrote:It makes no difference. Read the definition that you posted regarding machineguns. I'll wait....[time out for a shot of rye]...Okay.
(b) Machinegun
The term ??machinegun?? means any weapon
which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
readily restored to shoot, automatically more
than one shot, without manual reloading, by a
single function of the trigger.
This is a revolver and not an automatic pistol. The person pulling the trigger is providing all of the impetus to operate and fire the pistol's two firing mechanisms. There is no "automatic" action of any kind taking place. Because of the amount of force needed for two complete firing mechanisms, the trigger is specifically designed for use with two fingers. The top finger releases a Glock-style safety, and then the combined strength of the two fingers provides a better trigger pull than you might expect.
The firing of both rounds does happen automatically with a single trigger pull, does it not? So far as I know, automatically in this context is not a term that distinguishes between actions (automatic vs. revolver), but rather is a descriptor of whether there is manual intervention required or not. To me it seems clear based on the qualifying clause "without manual reloading".
But who knows. This is the ATF we're talking about after all, and they have consistently been inconsistent in how they interpret their own rules.0 -
I was at Safeway glancing over the new Recoil magazine where a bit of twisted wire coat hanger was registered as a machinegun part. So who know anything can be called as is today? 0
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