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  • varian
    wonder if he finished his text
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  • ChrisStreett
    If ya look at some of the pics it was a 2500 series Dodge pulling a really long flatbed tandem trailer. The way that rig would track on a winding road with sharp curves the guys on bikes never even had a chance if he took the curve wide...and I?ll wager he definitely did. What a mess. It?s a damn shame that never had to happen. (I wouldn?t bet against texting being a factor either.)
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  • spasmcreek
    in their lane ????????????????? the trial should not be lengthy...lawyers will line up 10 deep
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  • asphalt cowboy
    ChrisStreett wrote:
    If ya look at some of the pics it was a 2500 series Dodge pulling a really long flatbed tandem trailer. The way that rig would track on a winding road with sharp curves the guys on bikes never even had a chance if he took the curve wide...and I?ll wager he definitely did. What a mess. It?s a damn shame that never had to happen. (I wouldn?t bet against texting being a factor either.)

    From what I've read so far he was left of center and swerved/over corrected. That trailer would have been like a massive broom.
    Short of medical (heart attack or such) reason this dude seriously bleened up.
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  • jimdeere
    https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/06/1862/1048/motorcycle-crash-2-AP.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
    My motorcycle looks like the red one in the picture. The bikers were maybe not at fault, but could have been riding too close together.
    God have mercy on their souls. Rest In Peace.
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  • jwb267
    not taking up for the truck driver!!!!!!!!!!
    when bikers travel these country roads they are side X side and usually one is 6 " from the center line.
    all it takes is the first biker to screw up and down go the rest
    why don't they leave enough space between them to allow for a quick reaction
    RIP MARINES. God be with you
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  • bullshot
    That's just sickening, Our prayers are with the bikers and their families.
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  • select-fire
    Could have been something mechanical go wrong on the Dodge. However most who pull know you are not to take a single wheel not a dually and pull multiple cars. Too much unstable rear drive.
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  • Grasshopper
    A sad, sickening story ,,for all involved. Tragic is an understatement.. :(
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  • austin20
    ChrisStreett wrote:
    If ya look at some of the pics it was a 2500 series Dodge pulling a really long flatbed tandem trailer. The way that rig would track on a winding road with sharp curves the guys on bikes never even had a chance if he took the curve wide...and I?ll wager he definitely did. What a mess. It?s a damn shame that never had to happen. (I wouldn?t bet against texting being a factor either.)
    trailer was empty... correct?
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  • asphalt cowboy
    austin20 wrote:
    ChrisStreett wrote:
    If ya look at some of the pics it was a 2500 series Dodge pulling a really long flatbed tandem trailer. The way that rig would track on a winding road with sharp curves the guys on bikes never even had a chance if he took the curve wide...and I?ll wager he definitely did. What a mess. It?s a damn shame that never had to happen. (I wouldn?t bet against texting being a factor either.)
    trailer was empty... correct?

    Yes
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  • dfletcher
    I'm from southern NH area, can't say that I've ever been to Randolph although I have been to Laconia and Weirs Beach often enough, where these guys were headed. Don't know if the pick up truck driver was a local, but I do know from about 50 years of driving around there that the roads can be dangerous as hell if you don't know them well. Easy for a situation to sneak up on a driver real quick.
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  • mjrfd99
    It's the killing season.
    Smacking M/C riders here daily.
    RIP to the Jarheads and their extended families
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  • mjrfd99
    It's the killing season.
    Smacking M/C riders here daily.
    RIP to the Jarheads and their extended families
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  • shilowar
    austin20 wrote:
    ChrisStreett wrote:
    If ya look at some of the pics it was a 2500 series Dodge pulling a really long flatbed tandem trailer. The way that rig would track on a winding road with sharp curves the guys on bikes never even had a chance if he took the curve wide...and I?ll wager he definitely did. What a mess. It?s a damn shame that never had to happen. (I wouldn?t bet against texting being a factor either.)
    trailer was empty... correct?

    LW760M9.jpg
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  • shilowar
    dfletcher wrote:
    I'm from southern NH area, can't say that I've ever been to Randolph although I have been to Laconia and Weirs Beach often enough, where these guys were headed. Don't know if the pick up truck driver was a local, but I do know from about 50 years of driving around there that the roads can be dangerous as hell if you don't know them well. Easy for a situation to sneak up on a driver real quick.

    He is from out of state, from West Springfield MA...23 years old...
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  • select-fire
    Wondering what caused the fire.. if the truck hit a biker and the scooter exploded. On the flip side the truck driver might have braked hard to avoid a motorcycle in his lane and jack knifed. Dash video from the trucker could tell the story if he had it.
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  • KenK/84Bravo
    Long time rider.

    Used to Road Race as well, back in the 80's. Roxy's Kawasaki out of Chambersburg, PA. (And) Later WERA,
    with a couple tricked out RD 350's. (Warbirds. :o )

    Been to Weirs Beach and Laconia multiple times.





    It is crap like this, that I do not ride anymore. Been down too many times/hit by old people, DA's etc.

    I've got a 99' BMW F650 Dual Sport (highly modified) and tons of touring accessories, that I need to part with.





    RIP, riders. Sorry for your loss.
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  • asphalt cowboy
    bump
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  • dfletcher
    shilowar wrote:
    dfletcher wrote:
    I'm from southern NH area, can't say that I've ever been to Randolph although I have been to Laconia and Weirs Beach often enough, where these guys were headed. Don't know if the pick up truck driver was a local, but I do know from about 50 years of driving around there that the roads can be dangerous as hell if you don't know them well. Easy for a situation to sneak up on a driver real quick.

    He is from out of state, from West Springfield MA...23 years old...

    Saw that. Springfield is enough of a drive from Randolph to make it a pretty good drive, about 200 miles each way. I'd be interested to know if any of the riders had a camera going.
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  • montanajoe
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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mass-driver-in-nh-crash-that-killed-7-has-history-of-dui-charges-suspensions-5-investigates-says/ar-AADlYps?ocid=spartandhp
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  • mag00
    montanajoe wrote:

    That is an interesting article but did not mention the cause. They sure did demonize the 23 year old and hung his dirty laundry out for all to pre judge him with.

    The article did not quote or interpret what any of the survivors had to say about it. Not the truck driver, not the surviving bikers.

    But then what should we expect from MSN anyway? I would lean towards the truck crossing center, but who knows? Watch these "bikers" and scratch yer head at how that happened.

    [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB2darr5mU[/media]
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  • TRAP55
    Yeah sure, charge the guy and throw his ass in the penn, but how many of these guys went down because they hit someone else, or avoided them, before they even hit the truck/trailer??? I'll bet more than half (or more).
    They were riding staggered in two lines. Truck swerved a hard left into them, and as he tried to correct, the empty trailer swept the bikers lane. Witnesses behind the riders said it happened so fast, no one had time to react
    This kid should never had a license for this to happen, he got his first DUI when he was 17. Investigators just found empty heroin baggies in his house.
    What I don't get, he was questioned at the scene and released? 7 deaths, commercial license, and no mandatory blood test?
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  • mjrfd99
    "What I don't get, he was questioned at the scene and released? 7 deaths, commercial license, and no mandatory blood test?"

    Exactly.
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  • jwb267
    mag00 wrote:
    montanajoe wrote:

    That is an interesting article but did not mention the cause. They sure did demonize the 23 year old and hung his dirty laundry out for all to pre judge him with.

    The article did not quote or interpret what any of the survivors had to say about it. Not the truck driver, not the surviving bikers.

    But then what should we expect from MSN anyway? I would lean towards the truck crossing center, but who knows? Watch these "bikers" and scratch yer head at how that happened.

    [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB2darr5mU[/media]

    see where the bikers ride? right on the center line. MAYBE just MAYBE if they were in a single line this would not of happened
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  • TRAP55
    I know what you're saying, and when I'm riding with a group, I hang aways back, I want my "escape space". Another problem riding like that on a two lane road in a group. You leave an extra foot of gap between riders, and there's always the azzhat that takes that as an invitation to pass cutting in and out. That makes for another accident waiting to happen.
    I know you've pulled trailers like that before, and how a little steering wheel movement, can make them jump over in the next lane. Those riders never had a chance.
    I've been riding motorcycles for 50yrs, and thank God I've never had to lay one down. Had my share of close calls, flying truck tire caps and hub caps, oil slicks, drunk drivers, animals, you name it. I think I've made it this far from some advice I got from an old biker years ago.
    "Ride it like you stole it, they'll bury you in a soup can. Ride like everyone else on the road is trying hard to kill you, you'll live to be old as me". 8-)
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  • allen griggs
    You know they gave that driver every alcohol test known to mankind at the scene, yet, they let him go, at the scene. So he must not have been drunk.

    I have ridden many miles on bikes, and I would like to get to the bottom of this disaster. I will bet you that at least one of the participants was running a camera.
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  • asphalt cowboy
    mag00 wrote:
    montanajoe wrote:

    That is an interesting article but did not mention the cause. They sure did demonize the 23 year old and hung his dirty laundry out for all to pre judge him with.

    The article did not quote or interpret what any of the survivors had to say about it. Not the truck driver, not the surviving bikers.

    But then what should we expect from MSN anyway? I would lean towards the truck crossing center, but who knows? Watch these "bikers" and scratch yer head at how that happened.

    [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUB2darr5mU[/media]

    I've no doubt I know just what happened. It's called Target Fixation. They moved over to allow the others to pass and instead of focusing on where they wanted to go, they focused on where they Didn't want to go. Simple as that.
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  • Mobuck
    I've seen way too many "bikers" who thought they OWNED the road. Riding SxS or 3 x S and crowding the centerline. I met a biker dude last week who must have thought I was crowding the center and he did a little "blip" toward me. I just flipped him a one finger salute and drove on. He hit the brake like maybe he was dumb enough to turn around but guess he changed his mind.
    I've been on some pretty gnarly roads with a pickup and similar sized trailer. It's no picnic especially if you don't know the road. Having some sightseer on a 2 wheeler(engine or leg powered) riding the yellow line makes it worse.
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