Red Dot Sight ?????
I recently bought a Ruger Redhawk in a 454 cassul. I would like to set this revolver up for deer hunting. The old eyes being what they are, pretty much leave open sights out of the equation. So I'm thinking about a red dot sight. The problem is I don't know squat about red dot sights. So I have questions.
1.) Prices are all over the place from a little bit of nothing to very pricey. Are there some good quality sights that don't cost an arm and a leg and can stand up to the 454 recoil??
2.) Mounting. I haven't actually looked at the mounts that come with so many of these sights but many appear to clamp on. Surely that can't be right. The Redhawk has the rings that come with it but I know they wouldn't fit the holographic sights which I'm kinda sorta leaning towards. What would be the best way to mount a holographic sight??
3.) If you use this kind of sight what type of accuracy are you getting?? Are you pleased with your results??
4.) Does the 2 MOA sight seem to be the best size dot??
5.) Any and all comments, thoughts and personal observations welcomed so I can just maybe make an informed decision. Thanks all!!!
1.) Prices are all over the place from a little bit of nothing to very pricey. Are there some good quality sights that don't cost an arm and a leg and can stand up to the 454 recoil??
2.) Mounting. I haven't actually looked at the mounts that come with so many of these sights but many appear to clamp on. Surely that can't be right. The Redhawk has the rings that come with it but I know they wouldn't fit the holographic sights which I'm kinda sorta leaning towards. What would be the best way to mount a holographic sight??
3.) If you use this kind of sight what type of accuracy are you getting?? Are you pleased with your results??
4.) Does the 2 MOA sight seem to be the best size dot??
5.) Any and all comments, thoughts and personal observations welcomed so I can just maybe make an informed decision. Thanks all!!!
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My favorite Red/Green sight, is a Bushnell Trophy M/P, in a T-dot. (Currently on a Marlin Camp 9.) It was $199.
My favorite sight of that type, is hands down, a Meprolight MP20 Holographic sight. (Around $500.) Currently on a Kel-Tec PLR 16. (5.56)
On a handgun, I have a Tru-Glo, on a heavy barrel Browning Buckmark .22. (Also very nice.) Recommend all of the above.0 -
I imagine the recoil from a 454 casul is pretty violent compared to my ported 9mm.
Dot size is really a preference thing- I have ran as small as 3 as large as 8 and will be buying the Trijicon SRO with a 5MOA dot.
Whatever model you settle on which is largely personal preference and budget; take some time and google search ?flickering? or heavy recoil before you jump in.
I think Im about 3 years into heavy red dot use- they take practice. If you get deliberate in your draw and real consistent the dot will be exactly where you want it every time you pull the gun up. If you don?t work on it- you will struggle to find the dot, not because of the equipment but because you are being inconsistent.
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I have had a Millet red dot on my Redhawk 480 Ruger for several years. Killed a few deer with it. I have shot a Taurus .454 and the recoil seemed a bit stouter than the 480. But the Millet red dot has served me well. 0 -
For the recoil look at the ultra dot 30 so far my Smith 500 has killed every red dot but this one 0 -
I had an el cheapo BSA red dot scope on my .50AE Desert Eagle for quite awhile and it never broke. I figured it would screw up the first time at the range but it did just fine. I shot several hundred high powered reloads with it on the gun and it worked great. 0 -
Have you considered a good pistol scope? That would fit your Ruger rings and I would think give better accuracy than a red dot. 0 -
I was shooting competition and my scores at the closer targets were great but went downhill drastically past 20 yards. I tried a lot of things and about the time I decided it was my old eyes, a fellow shooter showed me a J-point sight on his Glock 17.
So I bought one and mounted it on my Glock 17. My scores skyrocketed!
I carry a Glock 29 (10mm) for defense during the cooler months and hunt with it as well, so I had the slide milled for a more expensive (higher quality?) sight; a Trijicon RMR1.
So far, it has taken the recoil and has stayed sighted-in for over 2 years. It is light weight, low-profile and fits my slightly modified holster.
I added suppressor height sights to have the option of either sight system.
I highly recommend the Trijicon.
The brightness of the red dot of the Trijicon is controlled by the ambient light. This means the red dot is brightest in daylight, less intense in low-light and pretty much shuts down when in complete darkness (under my shirt or in the gun safe).
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I have 3 red dot sights. 2 different Burris Fastfire Sights, and a "Dagger Defense" I bought off Amazon. Although substantially cheaper than the Burris's. The Dagger Defense has 4 different reticles. That can be either red or green, your choice. I prefer green.
The Burris's set me back $200+. One was more expensive than the other. The problem with the red dots though. Is that they become to big at long range. That is, the dot covers up to much of the target, at 50 yards or more. If you intend to hunt at over 50 yds. I would give the Dagger Defense a try. With the 4 different reticles, it much more useful than the Burris's at longer ranges. Weather it would take the recoil, of the 454 Casull I couldn't say.
As far as I know, both the Burris's and the DD are made in Asia. Don't know about the DD's warranty? But the Burris's is outstanding! Dummy me, dropped the Ruger target, smashing one of the Burris. I sent it back to Burris, and the sent me a new replacement. Free of charge.0 -
I'd See if they make a pistol mount first. Since that'll dictate what you can mount. I'm thinking Weaver and if you're lucky Picatinny.
Maybe you might be better off using factory rings and get a 1-4X32 with a lighted reticle.0 -
I've had a few of them that came on firearms when purchased.
Tried them several times ~ then removed & tossed 'em in the trash.
I could hit targets better with my eyes closed.0 -
I bought a couple of the cheap $20 holographic chinese knockoffs just to try on a 357, 22 and now have one on a break barrell pellet rifle. it still seems to shoot great out to about 25 yards I figured the recoil of the pellet rifle would screw it up but so far it still works, and this after about 500 rounds of 38/357's a cheap one will give you an introduction, you may find out you don't like them, if you do you can then go to a much better sight, I would go with a red/green one sometimes the green is easier to find out in the woods in hunting situation than the red and vice versa...... 0 -
I put a green-dot Sight-Mark on my son's 10/22, along with a AR type stock. It has adjustable brightness as well different reticles. It makes it a blast to shoot, and the younger kids enjoy it. My dad, who is pushing 80 now, is frustrated with shooting because of vision problems- he can't see through a scope very well due to trifocals, and open sights disappear, but he appreciated the holosight and could hit the targets with it.
I also recently put a Burris Fast Fire III on a Ruger Mark IV Competition (slab side) and that is a lot of fun. Although, it is discouraging to see how much the little red dot wobbles when I hold it. I ordered a sight mount for it that from a guy taht builds them specifically for the Mark IV- I had to remove the rear sight, and it mounted in the rear dovetail. That puts the sight lower than if I had mounted it on a rail.0 -
Most shooters don't understand that red dot sights are "reflex" sights, and try to use them as like they would a scope. The first Aimpoint had a lens on the front you could turn, to black out the sight with the red dot still there. That was to teach how to shoot with both eyes open. One eye picks up the dot, and the other picks up the target, the brain superimposes the dot on the target. Human brains are wired as different as people are. Some people got it in a millisecond, others could burn a lot of ammo before it "clicked". In all cases when I was instructing, once it did click, first time shooters could bounce a beer can with every shot.
dreher, a quality red dot would work for you inside 75yrds if you can do your part. Anything more, and I would suggest a LER pistol scope with a lit reticle. If your vision is getting fuzzy like mine, I say "quality" red dot for a reason. Just like rifle scopes, you get what you pay for. A good red dot will have a much better defined dot, than the Chinese knock offs.3 -
TRAP55 wrote:Most shooters don't understand that red dot sights are "reflex" sights, and try to use them as like they would a scope. The first Aimpoint had a lens on the front you could turn, to black out the sight with the red dot still there. That was to teach how to shoot with both eyes open. One eye picks up the dot, and the other picks up the target, the brain superimposes the dot on the target. Human brains are wired as different as people are. Some people got it in a millisecond, others could burn a lot of ammo before it "clicked". In all cases when I was instructing, once it did click, first time shooters could bounce a beer can with every shot.
dreher, a quality red dot would work for you inside 75yrds if you can do your part. Anything more, and I would suggest a LER pistol scope with a lit reticle. If your vision is getting fuzzy like mine, I say "quality" red dot for a reason. Just like rifle scopes, you get what you pay for. A good red dot will have a much better defined dot, than the Chinese knock offs.
Ah the old school Armson "OEG". I wonder if they're still around making them?0 -
Yosh, you made me look, and still they do!
http://www.armsonusa.com/armsonoeg.html
I still prefer the old Aimpoint 1000. 8-)0 -
TRAP55 wrote:Yosh, you made me look, and still they do!
http://www.armsonusa.com/armsonoeg.html
I still prefer the old Aimpoint 1000. 8-)
Damn the price went up. I remember them being like $50. Also when did they leave South Africa? I guess that's why the price is what it is.0 -
"Tried them several times ~ then removed & tossed 'em in the trash.
I could hit targets better with my eyes closed."
Well, you're a real wizard if you can.
For the OP: I'd suggest one of the "tube" dot sights in the $100 - 200 ("street price", not retail price) with a 3-4 MOA sized dot.I think the tube type sight may be easier to keep clear during adverse weather conditions as might be encountered while hunting.
FWIW: I use the "open top" type sights on my 22lr pistols which we shoot @ 100 yards on the range. Definitely an aid to aging eyes.0 -
What size are the rings that came with the gun? I'd look into the Ultradot sights since one of their models will more than likely fit the existing rings.
I have one on my Sub-2000 and it's a nice sight that I think would work well on your Redhawk.
https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=ultradot&Sort=13&PageSize=960 -
If I may jump into this thread, {seems to be a lot of knowledgeable posters here},
I've never used a red dot type of site.
Now because of failing close eye sight, I'm thinking of one for a quick handling 10/22 ruger rifle.
But I'm right handed shooter with a left eye dominate. Will I have troubles because of that????0 -
No. I'm in the same boat and have no trouble. Just keep both eyes open and the dot will magically (or so it seems) appear on the target.babun wrote:If I may jump into this thread, {seems to be a lot of knowledgeable posters here},
I've never used a red dot type of site.
Now because of failing close eye sight, I'm thinking of one for a quick handling 10/22 ruger rifle.
But I'm right handed shooter with a left eye dominate. Will I have troubles because of that????0 -
babun, I'm in that boat too, you'll find that red dot a lot easier to use than trying to shoot left handed. 0 -
Well- I pre-ordered a 5MOA Trijicon SRO today from Brownells.
I?ll give an update once it shows up and I run it through its paces.
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Thanks guys!!!
Wait a minute!! Why am I thanking you guys????? You'all are about to cost me $200!!!0 -
For the money, the Sig Romeo 5 is almost impossible to beat. A lot of people who have eyesight problems prefer a green dot over a red do so I recommend going to a local sporting goods or gun store and seeing which color you prefer. Here is a review with optics at various price points. https://www.marineapproved.com/best-red-dot-sights-review/ 0 -
"Most shooters don't understand that red dot sights are "reflex" sights, and try to use them as like they would a scope. "
That's exactly what we do and it works great.
"attempted to use a red dog sight a few times.....just don't work for me. I can hit better with NO SIGHTS than with a red dot."
Maybe simply operator error?
For the OP: there are "tube style" dot sights in 1" and 30mm tube diameter. There are also adapters to switch the built in Ruger integral base to a weaver type base if you wish to use a sight with that type base. The size of the dot makes a big diff in aiming so keep the dot in the 2-4 MOA range. The smaller dot may wash out in bright sun but many hunting scenarios are dawn or dusk so one doesn't need a glaring dot for those times.
I use "dot sights" on several types of guns(mainly handguns) and find them a great aiming system. Having the recoil of the 454 to deal with narrows the choices and I would NOT recommend any of the cantilever type mounts due to the increased flexing and/or possibility of breakage. Stick with a solid ring type mount if you can find a suitable tube type dot sight.0 -
I have several Dot sight, some tube, some holo type ,
for hunting I find the Holo sight works better for me in low light conditions , it seems to me that a tube sight like a Aim Point gets a red glare in them at low light making it hard to see the target
while a Holo sight if you can see the target with just your eye , you're going to be able to see that target thru the Holo sight and make the shot
I have several of the old Bushnell Holo sights , like the one this AR has on it , picture 10 really shows it
I don't think they're made any more but I used them for years on every thing from handguns to turkey guns, deer rifles and even black powder
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For the money, the Sig Romeo 5 is almost impossible to beat. A lot of people who have eyesight problems prefer a green dot over a red do so I recommend going to a local sporting goods or gun store and seeing which color you prefer. Here is a review with optics at various price points. https://www.marineapproved.com/best-red-dot-sights-review/This is brilliant click bait.
You recommended a rifle optic for a Ruger Red Hawk after resurrecting a year old thread which you coincidentally linked to a blog all about Red Dots.
Your list is ridiculous.
overall 1st post
3/5 stars. The effort was there just poor execution.
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