Over and under shotgun prices
Wow! Went shopping today with a friend who was looking for a clays gun. I couldn?t believe the prices for a gun you only shoot twice then have to reload.
He bought a Browning CitorI that the dealer had on his rack for a couple of years and got a pretty good deal.
I liked the Franchi O/U they had. It seemed to fit me better but I?m not in the market.
He bought a Browning CitorI that the dealer had on his rack for a couple of years and got a pretty good deal.
I liked the Franchi O/U they had. It seemed to fit me better but I?m not in the market.
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When you are trying to build a gun with two barrels that need to shoot together in the same place my guess is that would be a lot of work and justify the cost. 0 -
You get what you pay for. The Citori has stood the test of time, and is one of the all time greats. We have owned more than a few O/Us over the years. To me there is nothing like the feel of a well made double. Some people make the mistake of buying something cheap like the Savage import. When I was selling guns we probably sent more of those in for repairs than any other shotgun. The really serious shooters don't think twice about spending 10 grand and up for a Perazzi or K80. Are they worth it - yeah they are the same way a Porsche or Ferrari is. I know people who shoot 10 - 20 thousand rounds a year. That is a lot of pounding on a shotgun over its life and they need to be well engineered and made of good materials to hold up. So a Citori at less than $2000 is a bargain because it will hold up to that kind of punishment. Bob 0 -
What Bob said!! 0 -
320090T wrote:What Bob said!!
I see from your name you appreciate classic Remington shotguns. I still have a couple of 3200s in the safe. One skeet and one trap. The 90T was one of the best American trap guns ever made. I still kick myself for not buying one when Jaquas was closing them out. Bob0 -
I own a Perazzi and Brownings. They will stand the test of time. In one year I put 4,000 rounds through the Perazzi.
The value to cost of a Browning cannot be beat. It is a generations gun.0 -
Alpine wrote:I own a Perazzi and Brownings. They will stand the test of time. In one year I put 4,000 rounds through the Perazzi.
The value to cost of a Browning cannot be beat. It is a generations gun.
+4000
I have a "deer" rifle with scope that totaled out at about $1100. I shoot that gun at the most, 30 rounds per year.
When I informally shot trap, I would bring 200 rounds of ammo to the range per day, 3 times a month, 6 months a year. That's about 3600 shells a season.0 -
jimdeere,
Superposed shotguns are usually meant for shooting rising birds like grouse, quail, even pheasants or targets which are thrown like rising birds. The side x side was originally used for driven birds in Europe.
It is indeed difficult to regulate the barrels which are usually adjusted for a given distance. But, for the most part the shotguns themselves are very reasonably priced when compared to the British and European 'Best' shotguns which feature the finest hand fitting, wood and engraving. This is where $2,000 won't buy you the triggers let alone the lock or a piece of wood. But they are truly a work of art and as such are very limited in production.
Here is the US we are extremely lucky to have people like George Hoenig to push the limits of both design and execution for fine firearms. Mr Hoenig is the inventor and maker of the Hoenig Rotary Round Action for shotguns and rifles. I met him at Safari Club International when he first released this design. He is a brilliant design engineer and a superb machinist. Current prices start at about $30,000 and he limits the production to just 5 firearms a year. A Honda CR-V costs that much.
Here is a link to the YouTube short video demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Ncj3bux7c5o
But if I wanted the very best from one of the British houses, there is no doubt I want the Westley Richards hand-detachable drop lock version:
Only 7 moving parts in the drop lock and are readily and easily removed in the field without tools. Clean, reassemble and replace:
Roughly $70,000 starting with basic finishing. I know people who spend nearly that much for a pickup... or a sports car... :shock:
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Wow...
That is a work of industrial art.nononsense wrote:jimdeere,
Superposed shotguns are usually meant for shooting rising birds like grouse, quail, even pheasants or targets which are thrown like rising birds. The side x side was originally used for driven birds in Europe.
It is indeed difficult to regulate the barrels which are usually adjusted for a given distance. But, for the most part the shotguns themselves are very reasonably priced when compared to the British and European 'Best' shotguns which feature the finest hand fitting, wood and engraving. This is where $2,000 won't buy you the triggers let alone the lock or a piece of wood. But they are truly a work of art and as such are very limited in production.
Here is the US we are extremely lucky to have people like George Hoenig to push the limits of both design and execution for fine firearms. Mr Hoenig is the inventor and maker of the Hoenig Rotary Round Action for shotguns and rifles. I met him at Safari Club International when he first released this design. He is a brilliant design engineer and a superb machinist. Current prices start at about $30,000 and he limits the production to just 5 firearms a year. A Honda CR-V costs that much.
Here is a link to the YouTube short video demonstration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=Ncj3bux7c5o
But if I wanted the very best from one of the British houses, there is no doubt I want the Westley Richards hand-detachable drop lock version:
Only 7 moving parts in the drop lock and are readily and easily removed in the field without tools. Clean, reassemble and replace:
Roughly $70,000 starting with basic finishing. I know people who spend nearly that much for a pickup... or a sports car... :shock:
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nononsense wrote:jimdeere,
Superposed shotguns are usually meant for shooting rising birds like grouse, quail, even pheasants or targets which are thrown like rising birds. The side x side was originally used for driven birds in Europe.
Beautiful examples of fine craftmanship. Maybe if I win the lottery.
But I have to disagree on O/U s made for rising birds/targets. Trap guns are made for rising targets and the best of them are adjustable for how much of the pattern is above the line of sight. Most other O/U s are rather flat shooting for crossing targets like skeet. Sporting clay target presentations can be anything from rising, crossing, dropping, or any combination so most make do with a flat shooting 50/50 pattern gun. Hunting I don't want to add how far to hold below a crossing bird to my lead - I have a hard enough time getting in front of the bird. Bob0 -
Stopped in a local shop just over the border in Arkansas and saw what I thought were a couple decent deals.
Weatherby Orion 12 ga O/U for $650
http://www.whiteriverfirearms.com/product.weatherby-orion-12ga-ou
Browning Citori 20ga for $1100
http://www.whiteriverfirearms.com/product.browning-citori-white-lightning-20ga
Might have to go back and take another look at them.0 -
drobs wrote:Stopped in a local shop just over the border in Arkansas and saw what I thought were a couple decent deals.
Weatherby Orion 12 ga O/U for $650
http://www.whiteriverfirearms.com/product.weatherby-orion-12ga-ou
Browning Citori 20ga for $1100
http://www.whiteriverfirearms.com/product.browning-citori-white-lightning-20ga
Might have to go back and take another look at them.
That Orion is a good buy imo. Nice firearms.0 -
I know this is a delayed answer but business is keeping me way to busy right now... But I have to disagree on O/U s made for rising birds/targets. Trap guns are made for rising targets and the best of them are adjustable for how much of the pattern is above the line of sight. Most other O/U s are rather flat shooting for crossing targets like skeet. Sporting clay target presentations can be anything from rising, crossing, dropping, or any combination so most make do with a flat shooting 50/50 pattern gun. Hunting I don't want to add how far to hold below a crossing bird to my lead - I have a hard enough time getting in front of the bird. Bob
I guess my training in European shotguns has lead us to this disagreement. American viewpoints on firearms and firearms development are significantly different from those of the European shooting community and the engineers/gunsmiths who design and build them. The sport of bird shooting differs here in the U.S. from the same sport and its variations practiced in Europe. The development of shotguns for those sports in Europe has been based on driven birds as opposed to flushed birds. My statement supports this except when American ideals enter the picture. We didn't invent the shotgun or the sports to which they are used. We merely applied those firearms to our needs and environment over here.
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I must admit my experience has been with shotgun sports and bird hunting in the U.S. All of the European shotguns I have owned or tried (Perazzi. Kreighoff, Beretta, Browning etc...) have been made for the American market. So I guess we don't have a disagreement. Just looking at the subject from different experience and point of view. Bobnononsense wrote:I know this is a delayed answer but business is keeping me way to busy right now...But I have to disagree on O/U s made for rising birds/targets. Trap guns are made for rising targets and the best of them are adjustable for how much of the pattern is above the line of sight. Most other O/U s are rather flat shooting for crossing targets like skeet. Sporting clay target presentations can be anything from rising, crossing, dropping, or any combination so most make do with a flat shooting 50/50 pattern gun. Hunting I don't want to add how far to hold below a crossing bird to my lead - I have a hard enough time getting in front of the bird. Bob
I guess my training in European shotguns has lead us to this disagreement. American viewpoints on firearms and firearms development are significantly different from those of the European shooting community and the engineers/gunsmiths who design and build them. The sport of bird shooting differs here in the U.S. from the same sport and its variations practiced in Europe. The development of shotguns for those sports in Europe has been based on driven birds as opposed to flushed birds. My statement supports this except when American ideals enter the picture. We didn't invent the shotgun or the sports to which they are used. We merely applied those firearms to our needs and environment over here.
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I have one over and under 12 ga. double barrel I inherited from my uncle. It's a Marlin model 90-12 made before 1949. They were made from 1937 until 1958.
I talked to someone at Marlin on the phone about 20 years ago and they said the serial numbers were lost in a fire. He said that the ones made before 1949 had a gap between the barrels which mine does. I found a picture of a later model and it has something filling in the between the barrels.
I shot clays with it one time and it's a pretty good old gun.
Picture of a later model barrel made between 1949 and 1958.0
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