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  • babun
    That is a real nice piece.

    Except for the chambering! What were they thinking when they made the ultra????
    :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
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  • BobJudy
    Looks good. Wonder why it was never popular? Does it come with 400 rds of ammo? Cause I see 4 boxes that I presume are 50 ct.Bob
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  • select-fire
    Odd chambering
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  • Grasshopper
    It comes with the four boxes - 200 rounds- Hard to find in any condition let alone with matching box, target, manual plus ammo -
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  • babun
    Grasshopper wrote:
    It comes with the four boxes - 200 rounds- Hard to find in any condition let alone with matching box, target, manual plus ammo -
    Edit your listing, it says 400. :roll:


    added.... I think that you should be getting almost a G-note for that nice gun... :D
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  • Grasshopper
    babun wrote:
    Grasshopper wrote:
    It comes with the four boxes - 200 rounds- Hard to find in any condition let alone with matching box, target, manual plus ammo -
    Edit your listing, it says 400. :roll:


    added.... I think that you should be getting almost a G-note for that nice gun... :D
    Thanks for the ammo snafu . I corrected it.
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  • jimdeere
    What makes it rare, the caliber? I?m not knowledgeable on Walthers.
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  • babun
    jimdeere wrote:
    What makes it rare, the caliber? I?m not knowledgeable on Walthers.

    Only the most corrupt, highest bribe taking German police officers got to carry a
    Walther in 9mm Ultra. {it was also known as the 9mm Police}.
    :D
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  • Grasshopper
    jimdeere wrote:
    What makes it rare, the caliber? I?m not knowledgeable on Walthers.

    Just 4000 made,,and then some got imported into the USA, NOT all 4000 of them. So I call it a rare version, which imo it is.
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  • mark christian
    jimdeere wrote:
    What makes it rare, the caliber? I?m not knowledgeable on Walthers.

    4000 were produced and 2000 went to the Bavarian Police. Most of the remaining pistols were sold commercially in Europe where many countries have restrictions on the private ownership of handguns chambered for military calibers like 9mm Luger. Some went to the USA, although not many. The pistols which were imported by Interarms, the official Walther importer for decades, are few and far between. With the box, test target, paperwork, and accoutrements, it is a tough pistol to find. Although it is a bit pricy, ammo is still loaded by FIOCCHI. That means that you can continue to shoot the pistol once the included ammo is gone. If MrMike shows up, I'm sure that he can tell you everything there is to know about the PP Super.
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  • mrmike08075
    originally developed in the 1936 for use by the Luftwaffe, but was ever adopted and did not enter service (I don't think it ever officially made acceptance trials or testing)

    The 9x18mm Police cartridge was a joint venture between Dynamit Nobel and SIG developed in the mid 1960?s as a high-performance replacement for the 380 ACP handguns in police and military service at the time. It is not a modification of an existing cartridge but rather a blending of the 9mm Luger and the 9x18mm Ultra which was developed by the German Air Force during the Second World War.

    In the 1972?1973 time frame, Walther introduced the Walther PP Super chambered in the cartridge for the West German Police (part of the idea was that if the gun was captured surplus or commercial ammo would not function and the gun would be useless)

    It might have been influenced by a relative success of Soviet 9?18mm Makarov, being an intermediate round between 9?17mm and 9?19mm Parabellum, fit for simply designed and made any to mass produce blowback pistols with the minimal amount of working moving parts.

    I think 2000 units were adopted by the Bavarian special police - much fuss was made about the non tapered case and comparison to the .38 special for ballistic performance and stopping power - it was argued that in the smaller and simpler pistols preferred in Europe that the 9mm Luger was overpowered and difficult to control.,

    The Walther PP Super was discontinued in 1979 and the cartridge was made commercially available to the civilian market in 1975 with some hope that it would gain traction with some part of the market or with a sub machine gun manufacture (specifically in south America and south Africa)

    In addition to the Walther PP Super, the SIG Sauer P230, Mauser HSc-80, and Benelli B76 were also produced in 9?18mm Ultra - I believe Star and kahr messed around with it in military or paramilitary gendarme contract side arms and SMG's but I have never encountered one in person.

    The 9?18mm Ultra (.355-inch caliber) is not interchangeable with the 9?18mm Makarov (.365-inch caliber), as the latter uses a larger diameter bullet.

    I believe I have fiocchi and hirtenberger and IMI production ammunition stashed away.

    Extant examples of the Walther almost universally have seen little if any use - where not fired much because the ammo was damn near unobtainable and by nature Walther collectors tend to curate their guns not use them at the range.

    Mike
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  • Henry0Reilly
    When you click on the Item Characteristics it says "9x18" not 9x18 Ultra.

    I can't imagine anyone who doesn't know what the gun is would have a winning bid, but Murphy's Law seems to be in force a lot with online sales.
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  • Grasshopper
    Henry0Reilly wrote:
    When you click on the Item Characteristics it says "9x18" not 9x18 Ultra.

    I can't imagine anyone who doesn't know what the gun is would have a winning bid, but Murphy's Law seems to be in force a lot with online sales.

    Thanks Henry - I added to listing although I agree with you it could happen --
    Thanks Mark and Mike for the write ups !
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  • mrmike08075
    I do find it to be a rather odd juxtaposition of design philosophies...

    On the one hand deciding to continue production of a simple and basic time honored pistol design albeit with an improved clambering providing improved stopping power and performance - still an uncomplicated standard capacity blow back semiautomatic handgun using a short single stack magazine...

    Whilst simultaneously developing and field trial testing the groundbreaking advanced H&K G11 polymer advanced infantry rifle using smallbore high velocity careless ammunition - 50 round horizontal transparent ammo cassettes requiring a 90 degree rotation of the cartridge when feeding from Mag to chamber - integral optical sights built into the carrying handle - a variant with electronic primer ignition capability...

    They experimented with osmium lined finned squeeze bore barrels with polygonal etched rifling and selectable green or red laser aiming projectors and UV spotlight attachments not visible to the human mark 1 eyeball (but quite illuminating when viewed through special goggles)...

    I just imagine a soldier armed with the G11 and a Walther PP at the same time.

    Mike
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  • Henry0Reilly
    It is my understanding that if PayPal knows you utilize their services for firearms or other "evil" items they will freeze your account with them.....
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