Looking for two Liberty Traditions SAA
I have convinced my wife to join up & shoot Cowboy Action with me.
I have been looking for a brace of ?Liberty Edtion? Traditions 1973?s in 38/357. I can find plenty in 45 Colt, but none in 38/357.
That being said, even if I do find them she will be using one of my rifles that are both chambered in 45 Colt. This means she will have to go to the loading table with two different caliber batches of ammunition that she would have to keep separate.
Claudia is a novice to shooting, and is jumping into this with both feet. I am pondering just letting her shoot with 45 Colt. I only load my rounds with 4 grains of Trail Boss powder, and it pushes the 250 grain projectiles at about 650? per second. This is well within the range for SASS recommended velocity. I think it may be shoft enough for someone just getting into shooting.
If I do find them in 38/357, I would have to start reloading two different cowboy loads, and at some point down the road end up buying her a new rifle in 38/357 also.
She will have to adjust to a 12 gauge, but I think that will be possible.
So, I think I have convinced myself she should just shoot 45, but I haven?t convinced her, and I don?t want her to get scared of trying it out.
What say the wise folks here on GB?
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I have been looking for a brace of ?Liberty Edtion? Traditions 1973?s in 38/357. I can find plenty in 45 Colt, but none in 38/357.
That being said, even if I do find them she will be using one of my rifles that are both chambered in 45 Colt. This means she will have to go to the loading table with two different caliber batches of ammunition that she would have to keep separate.
Claudia is a novice to shooting, and is jumping into this with both feet. I am pondering just letting her shoot with 45 Colt. I only load my rounds with 4 grains of Trail Boss powder, and it pushes the 250 grain projectiles at about 650? per second. This is well within the range for SASS recommended velocity. I think it may be shoft enough for someone just getting into shooting.
If I do find them in 38/357, I would have to start reloading two different cowboy loads, and at some point down the road end up buying her a new rifle in 38/357 also.
She will have to adjust to a 12 gauge, but I think that will be possible.
So, I think I have convinced myself she should just shoot 45, but I haven?t convinced her, and I don?t want her to get scared of trying it out.
What say the wise folks here on GB?
Trinity +++
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Buy her new guns of the correct caliber for HER use. You will just have to deal with loading more ammo. That is where the DIllon 650 comes in real handy. The 12 ga is another matter, if the gun fits HER the perceived recoil is greatly reduced, get one that fits her body and frame. Get her her own guns and go forth and have lots of fun.
A happy wife is a happy life.
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I used to shoot in the SASS matches but I stopped going when they started wearing women's bonnets and aprons and riding stick horses in some of the stages.
I still have my Ruger Vaqueros I shot with.0 -
Light load .45 S&W Schofield lead round nose or lead ball or double end target wadcutters will often provide great accuracy and consistent functionality in concert with lighter recoil and less muzzle flip and accompanying flash and noise
Same as a .38 special used in a .357 magnum
I have a number of .45 long colt SAA clones including traditions and great western and Herbert Schmidt that react unusually well to target wadcutters and light loads / shorter capacity cases
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Bump - Btt...
Mike0 -
Accuracy is a relative term when referring to Cowboy ACtion competition. You don?t need to have tack driving accuracy to be able to clank a 18? X 18? Steele plate that?s 10? To 15? away.
Wad cutters, don?t make the cut for traditional ammunition used in the old west. Like I mentioned above I use a 250 grain semi round nose lead bullet that is being pushed by 4 grains of Trail Boss. This is a fairly shoft shooting round in my Old Model Vaquero?s, which weigh a bit more then the average SAA.
Because of this I am considering just staying with the Traditions Liberty Edition 1873?s, in 45 Colt for her. I would love to get my hands on a pair in 38/357, but they are like trying to find hens teeth. I feel if I start her out with the 45 Colt, she won?t have any difference to compare them with.
The upside is that she won?t be going to the loading bench with two separate types of ammunition, because the rifle she would be using is in 45 Colt also. I can afford two new pistols, I can?t afford two new pistols, and another new rifle.
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I'll bet if you do find the .38/.357 Traditions Liberty Edition 1873 they'll be crazy price. I doubt they made very many and most of that never sold. So the guy who's been sitting on them sin '73 is a wealthy man. If he's still alive.
With "Cowboy" loads why bother with the .38/.357 just shoot the .45LC? Also there won't be "confusion" at the table (like you mentioned) and with enough practice with the CW .45LC she won't even notice the difference.0 -
Still think the .45 S&W Schofield is a viable option - I used nickle plated cases only which made visually identifying them from the brass finish long colts easy.
I understand the double end target wadcutter is not a traditional SASS authentic option but I have found they often print amazing groups in rifles and carbines.
The soft nose lead round nose option or round ball lead certainly would fit the bill.
I like to explore the options as far as ammo compatibility goes.
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Still think the .45 S&W Schofield is a viable option - I used nickle plated cases only which made visually identifying them from the brass finish long colts easy.
I understand the double end target wadcutter is not a traditional SASS authentic option but I have found they often print amazing groups in rifles and carbines.
The soft nose lead round nose option or round ball lead certainly would fit the bill.
I like to explore the options as far as ammo compatibility goes.
Mike0 -
I thought gun guys were supposed to know better than to use the term "45 long colt"?
Come on man! :roll:0 -
And why are you up so late Mike?
Or, why are you up so early, Mike?0 -
Bad two to three days pain wise - four or five days without sleep...
Spent a good 24 hours down and out catching up on sleep - need to eat and drink something.
I check in at odd hours and had missed like a day and a half.
I use long colt - and I use .410 gauge despite them being technically incorrect.
I like to say pled guilty cause pleaded guilty sounds wrong...
Linguistic drift and regional dialect and patois make for a flexible architecture of word usage
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mrmike08075 wrote:Bad two to three days pain wise - four or five days without sleep...
Spent a good 24 hours down and out catching up on sleep - need to eat and drink something.
I check in at odd hours and had missed like a day and a half.
I use long colt - and I use .410 gauge despite them being technically incorrect.
I like to say pled guilty cause pleaded guilty sounds wrong...
Linguistic drift and regional dialect and patois make for a flexible architecture of word usage
Mike
Word Bro! Word! We be down wif da man!0 -
You did?t See me using the ?L? or the word ?Long? when referring to the 45 Colt cartridge.
I questioned it here before, and got severely chastised for it being an acceptable usesage for the round.
Not trying to hijack my own post, but there ism proof that even Colt used the phrase (Long), and the US Army even used the ?L? to identify the round. Escpicaly after S&W came out with their midget Scofield round, and the 38 Long Colt hit the market. There is a ton of literature at the time, and some packaging that even speaks the blasphemy.
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Not to mention short colt verbiage...
And why is their only one rifle cartridge ever used with the term +P applied to it...
And mention the .22 extra Long rimfire and you might start a fight...
Explaining why there is a .32-20 wcf and a .32-20 HV is always fun.
Why don't we ever see belted magnum handgun cartridges...
Mike0
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