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Vietnam: The Truth

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  • Cornflk1
    Well said and well done sir.
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  • Rocky Raab
    I was there all of '71. And also damn proud of it.

    As I said back then, I was unsure if I understood even the tiniest lower left-hand corner of the big picture, but I knew beyond doubt that I was doing my country's bidding in an honorable cause.

    I have claimed for the past couple of decades that we did in fact win that war. Full-fledged Communism lasted for less than 10 years in Vietnam before even the most entrenched leaders recognized that their system wouldn't work, but the glimpse of capitalism we gave them would. They gave in and began to allow private entrepreneurship. Today, Vietnam has a thriving economy and is a hotbed of global business. Look around and note well how many things you own say "Made in Vietnam." Those three words spell victory, my fellow warriors.

    And if I could, I'd throw poop at those who did the same to me when I stepped off my Freedom Bird. Because it was they who were the disgrace.
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  • Wulfmann
    Well said

    If we did not fight them in Vietnam we would have fought them in Thailand and if not there Malaysia and if not there Indonesia and if not there Australia.

    Vietnam may have fallen to the communist but fighting them there prevented the communist from taking anymore than Vietnam.
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  • bpost
    My business partner in Alaska was a Army VN vet. When he returned to California on the freedom bird (as Rocky Raab called it) he entered the airport in uniform and left in handcuffs. It seemed some flower child broad thought spitting on him was a good welcome. He broke her jaw for her payback, he spent 24 hours in jail before being released, no charges were prosecuted against him.

    How the VN vets put up with the ROE's is beyond my understanding. Orders be dammed I would have bombed the hell out of Haiphong harbor shipping every chance I got. The trails in Laos and N. Vietnam would be shooting galleries. The LBJ, McNamara ROE's killed hundreds of American pilots in their F-105 Thuds. It it was a travesty.

    It seems the ROE's we had/ have in the sand boxes are equally culpable for many American service men's lives being lost or shattered by wounds.

    We have not learned to fight a war annihilating the enemy and come home safe from battle.
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  • Rocky Raab
    bpost, I flew the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Cambodia every day. The recce teams we put down there counted thousands of trucks carrying who knows how many tens of thousands of tons of supplies. Yet, I never saw a single truck in those 300 missions.The NVA were VERY adept at hiding in daylight and moving only at night. And it wasn't one highway. Think of the HCMT more like your blood system from your heart to your toes - large arteries near the top, but quickly branching into smaller and smaller byways. Except that unlike your arteries, they never used the same ones all the time. This trail one week, then another, and another. All under triple-canopy jungle with the tops of the tallest trees 300' from the ground. Utterly invisible from the air. Turn it into a shooting gallery? To hit what? Trees?
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  • wpageabc
    Hanoi Jane, politics and peacenicks and fake media were all factors in the Vietnam quaqmire. Shame that returning Vets were called baby killers and disrespected. The Vets were sold out by many of thier own families.

    Lessons learned? What the Clintons did in Somolia with the "Black Hawk Down" incident. What the Clintons did allowing Ambassador Stephens and others die when aid was available. The lesson is. Do not trust government with your life. Prayers for ours soldiers past, present and future. They should not be treated as pauns.
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  • KenK/84Bravo
    Cornflk1 wrote:
    Well said and well done sir.


    Agree 100%.




    (And) I would add, if anyone Spit on me - I'd have beat the living dog piss out of them.

    Surprised it was not a regular occurrence.
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  • rivethook
    Reading these posts, I look back on those days its been years since I left and have realized that my memory has somewhat faded, I do remember you could live next door to another Vietnam vet and you would not realize it, seems we all kept quiet not do to shame, but to avoid confrontation, or questions about time spent in country. I agree I thought we were saving Thailand. We still use the greatest gift to the enemy ?Rules Of Engagement?
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  • Rocky Raab
    KenK, when I dragged myself utterly exhausted off the Freedom Bird in San Fran, there was a gauntlet of hippies waiting for us. I had human feces and urine thrown at me - all under the deliberately avoided eyes of the airport security people. I went up to that bastard and told him "I spent the last year killing my enemies. One more right now isn't going to bother me." He shrunk back, and I walked on. I was not about to pound that SOB into the wall and get arrested. But I sure as hell wanted to.
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  • Marc1301
    Rocky Raab wrote:
    KenK, when I dragged myself utterly exhausted off the Freedom Bird in San Fran, there was a gauntlet of hippies waiting for us. I had human feces and urine thrown at me - all under the deliberately avoided eyes of the airport security people. I went up to that bastard and told him "I spent the last year killing my enemies. One more right now isn't going to bother me." He shrunk back, and I walked on. I was not about to pound that SOB into the wall and get arrested. But I sure as hell wanted to.
    Rocky,....you are a much better, and more patient man than I would have been sir. It was terrible how service people were treated just for being honorable and doing the job their country called on them to do.

    You have my utmost respect, as well as all the others that served.
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  • Mr. Perfect
    Marc1301 wrote:
    Rocky Raab wrote:
    KenK, when I dragged myself utterly exhausted off the Freedom Bird in San Fran, there was a gauntlet of hippies waiting for us. I had human feces and urine thrown at me - all under the deliberately avoided eyes of the airport security people. I went up to that bastard and told him "I spent the last year killing my enemies. One more right now isn't going to bother me." He shrunk back, and I walked on. I was not about to pound that SOB into the wall and get arrested. But I sure as hell wanted to.
    Rocky,....you are a much better, and more patient man than I would have been sir. It was terrible how service people were treated just for being honorable and doing the job their country called on them to do.

    You have my utmost respect, as well as all the others that served.
    +1
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  • Rocky Raab
    Not a bit of it. I was utterly exhausted and I just wanted to catch my next flight and get home to my wife. The cops ignored what the hippies did, but I'm positive they'd have put me in cuffs for who know how long. That's ALL that protected that little azzwipe.

    I will say that the airline people at my connecting flight counter let me into their private restroom so I could clean my shirt as much as possible, and they treated me with enough kindness that it almost balanced the hippie scum.
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  • gruntled2
    I both supported & opposed the war. I believed our cause was just but I knew how it would end even before it started. I said so in 1962 before I was even sure it would be Vietnam. (I had other areas in mind as well.)
    Eisenhower's policy of Mutual assured destruction made war impossible. Kennedy's policy of Limited war made war inevitable. His cowardness at the Bay of Pigs & the Berlin Wall led directly to the increase of activity in South Vietnam. The final straw was when he ordered the assassination of President Diem.
    If Nixon had been elected in 1960 or AU H2O in 64 history would be far different.
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  • chiefr
    Thanks Rocky
    Joined after the war was over. Too young then.

    While appreciative of our countries freedom and choice not to join, I always liked the concept of mandatory service for all
    such countries as South Korea impose; 2 years.

    I too remember and will never forget the vile and intense hatred orchestrated by the media directed at our service members. Although
    joining after the RVN campaign, vividly remember vitriol directed at me should I happen to be caught down town in uniform. If any of those in the media served, most certainly things would be different.
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