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  • Navybat
    Why? As long as you disclose it, and the buyer likes it, what's the problem?

    I don't think liability to you for his/her future actions is realistic, and it's not illegal to "deactivate" a grip safety.
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  • kannoneer
    Just so the new owner knows it.
    I bought a trap shotgun from a friend which had a release trigger to help with flinching. Now, that is something you REALLY need to know about in advance. (It is also engraved as such on the receiver).
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  • Ditch-Runner
    in today's world no way Josey
    looking for a lawsuit should be the title
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  • montanajoe
    • Community moderator
    No way!!
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  • babun
    A gagzillion years ago, when I shot NRA matches, it was not too uncommon
    to disable the grip safety of 1911 match pistols.
    That gun still has 2 more safeties on it.



    OMG!!! THIS GUN HAS NO GRIP SAFETY EITHER!!!
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  • remingtonoaks
    It has been modified for competition shooting. He has disclosed that fact. Sellers are not responsible for any particular use that a buyer uses for .

    No liability
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  • David Nunn
    De-activation of a 1911 grip safety was a common modification in the 1960s and 1970s. I don't see a problem with it. The next gun John Browning invented, the Browning Hi-Power, has no grip safety at all.

    The modification has fallen out of favor, partly because of "liability concerns," and partly because the newer grip safeties with the "speed bumps" sorta kinda did away with the need for it.

    I recently took in a Government Model with the grip safety fastened down. I restored it to original condition, mainly to make the gun as close to original as possible.

    I had a Springfield Loaded Champion for a while, and used it as an every day carry gun. It came with a stupid, unnecessary "safety lock," built into the mainspring housing. How hard was that to do away with? Not hard at all. Remove old mainspring housing assembly with its internals and replace with a non-feather-legged version.

    Grip safety, no problem. Safety lock, big problem, to be defeated, or if not possible, avoided.
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  • gjshaw
    Grip safety not working would not bother me as much as in his description he states that he would end the auction at any time as it was listed on two other sites for sale as well. He started it at a penny and it does have a bid so I hope he knows he now can not just end the auction.
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  • yoshmyster
    Like nunn mentioned I know all the Detonics Combatmasters up until they moved to Arizona had pinned grip safety. Besides all pistols that aren't 1911 based don't have grip safeties [:D].
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  • bpost
    Glocks don't have a grip safety and they NEVER fail.[;)]
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  • select-fire
    I would keep it.
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  • wpage
    Disclosure is the key. There is a place for all things.
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  • chiefr
    Yep, I too remember how popular it was deactivate the grip safeties. First thing someone did to a 1911.
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  • mrmike08075
    In the gunshop days it was quite common to acquire and sell forward browning high powers with the magazine safety deactivated

    As far as grip safeties go it was not unusual to encounter Spanish or Belgian semiautomatic pistols (star - llama - other clones) altered to delete or defeat the function in question

    Mike
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  • mogley98
    Correct answerquote:Originally posted by Ditch-Runner
    in today's world no way Josey
    looking for a lawsuit should be the title
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  • babun
    quote:Originally posted by mogley98
    Correct answerquote:Originally posted by Ditch-Runner
    in today's world no way Josey
    looking for a lawsuit should be the title



    So you are against selling a AR with a replacement trigger group?
    "Your Honor, he removed a factory tested part and installed some other pieces"

    Or how about drilling and tapping for scope mounts?
    "The gun blew up because the seller drilled holes directly above the high pressure area of the chamber"

    Or how about different mags?
    "He supplied a 15 round mag for the pistol which came with
    only a 10 round mag, and the 11th bullet hit him in the chest"

    Think about it
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  • droptop
    I'd be incorporated w/o a lot of assets in the business but only then. Plus the corporation can buy class 3 weapons.

    When you get sued you will be asked by the other sides attorney to list your assets and do you have insurance. In my case it was a leased car and some office equipment and computer. I'd never hear from the attorney again.

    Had Errors and Omissions Insurance and that was a "flag" to come and get me there's money to be made. Dropped E/O insurance and never a problem.

    One other thing to think about, like the Bob Dylan lyrics, When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose
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  • marc2564
    Also missing the firing pin safety parts.
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  • babun
    So you won't buy a rifle that was drilled a tapped for scope mounts?
    Or a snub nosed revolver that had it's hammer spur bobbed for better
    canceled carry?
    How about a 98 Mauser with a Thimmey trigger and a .300 win mag barrel?

    Would you consider locust fork a stranger? Kasey has a real nice rifle for sale:
    ""This is a Nice Custom Mauser chambered in 220 Weatherby Rocket. The Full Bull Barrel is 26"long, 1" at the muzzle and with a great bore. It has double set triggers. The NICE wood Target stock has a 13.5" LOP from the rear trigger. It is in great overall condition with normal signs of use, no damage. It has early Redfield/Lyman scope bases on the receiver and barrel. Check out the pictures and you will see this is a GREAT find!""
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  • Warbirds
    This is a very typical modification for a 1911/2011 race gun.
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
    Nope, I wouldn't sell it and certainly wouldn't buy it. Purchasing a modified used firearm from a stranger is possibly one of the most foolish things a person could do. Liability would be an understatement in today's courts. [V]


    To start with, it's competition gun. Which don't carry liabilities if used as such, kind of like saying there's a liability in selling a used race car. That's just not the case...

    Second, The seller is not liable or any purpose the buyer intends to use it for. It's like saying the seller would be liable for the purposes of what a buyer buys it for, that's just like saying that anybody that ever sold a gun to anybody else that used to kill somebody would be liable for that. That's just not so

    Third, he disclosed the fact the grip safety had them defeated. It's up to the buyer to fix it hippie badak knowing it was in that shape.

    Forth, iy still has more safeties on it than a Glock does... A Glock doesn't take any liability for accidental discharges even though there are no safeties on it... Giving precidence in a court of law that a firearm does not need a grip safety...

    Fifth, a person would be foolish to buy a used firearm without having it checked out for fit and function before he fired it to begin with, whether it had been modified or not...
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  • Missouri Mule K30
    Every firearm ever made has two safeties. One is your brain, the second is your finger.
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  • babun
    quote:Originally posted by Missouri Mule K30
    Every firearm ever made has two safeties. One is your brain, the second is your finger.


    Whoa!!

    Did you get taught about guns and safety by a Range Officer named
    Big John Mazzo?? He was teaching us JR. shooters that same thing
    In 1969.

    If you ever had a rifle on the firing line, loaded and you said
    "It's okay, the safety is on", he cleared the gun then gave you the hardest kick in the ass you ever saw.

    Guns were unloaded and visually clear or they were loaded and lethal and No if, and, or buts about it!
    [B)][B)]
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