Any help on identifying a rifle
I am inquiring about this gun for a friend. It was originally her husbands fathers gun, from Austria in WW2. It is a
Emil Kerner zwehrha.B.Rifle works,Nitro Barrel,7mm x 57,Krorr Essen. Inspector 1891 Proof, 10360 is on the three barrel. I don't see any serial number or longer number. It has two inter-changeable barrels. I am looking for any information on what kind of gun it is, when I try to search on the information listed, I come up with nothing. I hope this is the correct forum for this question. Two people have stated it was valued at $20,000 and another person said it was valued at $4000 any information would be helpful. Thank you. If you send me an email I can send pictures, I cannot figure out how to upload them on this site.
Emil Kerner zwehrha.B.Rifle works,Nitro Barrel,7mm x 57,Krorr Essen. Inspector 1891 Proof, 10360 is on the three barrel. I don't see any serial number or longer number. It has two inter-changeable barrels. I am looking for any information on what kind of gun it is, when I try to search on the information listed, I come up with nothing. I hope this is the correct forum for this question. Two people have stated it was valued at $20,000 and another person said it was valued at $4000 any information would be helpful. Thank you. If you send me an email I can send pictures, I cannot figure out how to upload them on this site.
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It sounds like more than $4000. There is a sticky at the top for pic instructions. 0 -
Most likely Emil Kerner, a gunmaker located in Suhl Germany. In business between the 1890's and the 1930's. The barrel marking most likely being, Krupp Essen. Which is the name of a famous German steel maker, not the barrel maker. Krupp factory was located in Essen Germany.
Without quality photos, little else can be discerned about the rifle. There is a "Sticky" located on our main page giving instructions on posting photos to the forum. The instructions are quite specific, and aren't particularly difficult. Most folks who are functionally literate, don't have any problem with them.
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It's a German sporting rifle known as a Drilling. They were very commonly used over there. For hunting birds with the two shotgun barrels, and deer with the rifle barrel. Since the standard Drilling already had two shotgun barrels, the aren't commonly encountered with two extra shotgun barrels. Since they were made on a custom basis though, as long as the customer had the money. The gunsmith would make him anything he wanted.
Need close-ups of all the markings, and better shots of the gun showing condition/finish of the wood and metal surfaces. Specially proof and manufacturers marks, on the undersides of the barrels and on the flat surface of the receiver underneath the barrels.0 -
here the photo I have thanks for any help..
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It appears that the scope that was fitted to the drilling is still with it. That makes it very special as most scopes got separated from the gun they were fitted to. The horn trigger guard and engraving enhance the value as they were only seen on the better grade guns. Considering the scope, extra barrels and engraving I would say $4,000.00 was a reasonable estimate of value. Those who suggested a value of $20,000.00 are doing a dis-service to the owner as the owner will now be insulted by a potential buyer who is willing to pay a reasonable price. The barrels are probably 16 ga and for 2 9/16th length shells. Do not shoot 2 3/4" shells in them as excessive pressure can occur. Tell the owner to have the chambers checked by a gunsmith before shooting the drilling. 0 -
I have an Emil Kerner drilling. I doubt that the recoil pad on yours is original. Also, are you sure that the extra shotgun barrels actually fit? I mean are BOTH sets marked Emil Kerner and interchange on the frame?
Also, the 1891 proof does not fit with the scope. 7x57 would be the rimmed version to work in a drilling. I suspect, though, that it is not 7x57.
Post a picture of the markings on the bottoms of the barrel sets, please.
$2K to $3K will buy a lot of drillings......
Emil Kerner is an earlier marking. Emil Kerner and Sons is later. Again, with the scope, the timing does not seem right.0 -
That is a very handsome outfit, in better condition than most.
Of course this one is still in the family, not looted by an Occupation GI who did not know what it was, just that it looked neat.
I am curious about one thing.
Do the double and triple barrels both fit the same action?
That would be very unusual.
I wonder if Grandpa's double shotgun barrels got accidentaly put in the drilling's case.
Didn't the German industry adhere to the 1891 proof regulations until the Nazis took over? I don't find that unusual.0 -
Thank you rufe-snow I will see if I can get some better photos have a great day 0 -
thanks for all the info 0
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