Some Hi Standard H-D Military ?s
I just bought a Hi Standard H-D Military pistol with the serial number 221330. From what i could find out it was made between 1946 and 1951.
I was wondering what year it was made in.
Another question i have is how hard is it to remove the barrel. Looking at the gun the barrel is held in place with a roll pin. If i knock out the pin will i be able to remove the barrel or will i have to do something else also.
After i bought the gun i was thinking that it would be nice to have a 6 inch barrel also. Especially if it is easy to switch back and forth.
The last ? i have is there any parts i should buy now in case something breaks. The gun shoots great but with it being old i was wondering if i should buy a few thing just in case because parts are not going to get easier to find.
Also will any other model barrels work?
Thanks for the help.
I was wondering what year it was made in.
Another question i have is how hard is it to remove the barrel. Looking at the gun the barrel is held in place with a roll pin. If i knock out the pin will i be able to remove the barrel or will i have to do something else also.
After i bought the gun i was thinking that it would be nice to have a 6 inch barrel also. Especially if it is easy to switch back and forth.
The last ? i have is there any parts i should buy now in case something breaks. The gun shoots great but with it being old i was wondering if i should buy a few thing just in case because parts are not going to get easier to find.
Also will any other model barrels work?
Thanks for the help.
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Make sure you understand how to remove the slide, not difficult, but different. See YouTube instructions. The barrel is held in by the cross pin thru the frame. The barrel may be a very tight fit. Use brass punches. The pivot piece between the hammer and mainspring broke on mine. Had it welded together and been working for years. 0 -
I believe your pistol was made in 1947. I have a H-D Military, in the 259 thousand range. That was made in 1948.
If your barrel is held with a roll pin? Some previous owner has bubbaed it. As the first poster noted, the original H-S Military's had a solid pin that secured the barrel to the frame.
The pins are very difficult to get out, without the proper equipment. I have seen a lot of the early H-S's, that looked really bad. Because the owners attempted to remove the pins, with a hammer and punch. It only takes one slip, with the punch.0 -
I have one from my uncle. It will shoot as good as you can hold it. Last trip out with dad I shot the centers out of clay birds at 100 yards, that's why he gave me the pistol when he didn't need it anymore. Functions flawless with good ammo and the proper magazines tuned to it. Mine came with one correct and some other later style HS magazine which doesn't work very well. I am now up to 5 correct tuned magazines. I think the last one was about $40, I have seen them going for a Franklin now.
I like CCI mini mags but you should consider standard velocity and NO STINGERS ever.0 -
I said roll pin but it is a solid pin. My mistake. I think roll pin from work. LOL
Removing the slide was easy. I watched a youtube video first. It is way easier than a Ruger MK1 2 or 3.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dav1965
I just bought a Hi Standard H-D Military pistol with the serial number 221330. From what i could find out it was made between 1946 and 1951.
I was wondering what year it was made in.
Another question i have is how hard is it to remove the barrel. Looking at the gun the barrel is held in place with a roll pin. If i knock out the pin will i be able to remove the barrel or will i have to do something else also.
After i bought the gun i was thinking that it would be nice to have a 6 inch barrel also. Especially if it is easy to switch back and forth.
The last ? i have is there any parts i should buy now in case something breaks. The gun shoots great but with it being old i was wondering if i should buy a few thing just in case because parts are not going to get easier to find.
Also will any other model barrels work?
Thanks for the help.
221,330 shipped as a catalog number 9051 on 1/26/1978 to account number 2931 on invoice number 9822.This one lagged in assembly or inventory as a number of other guns around this serial number shipped in November and December 1947.
The catalog number says that it originally shipped with the 6.75" length barrel. Some previous owner has already changed the barrel once or had a gunsmith change it.
The barrel fit to the frame was a slight press fit on the .500 nominal pilot diameter. This the barrel pilot has a slight taper of about .0005" over its length. The barrel were selected for fit on a particular frame to insure a fit that was not too lose or too tight. Once pushed in to the frame, a drill was passed through the pin hole in the frame to make room for the pin and then the hole was reamed heaving a notch in the barrel pilot. Once installed and removed the pilot may or may not have the proper fit. The tolerances on the location of the pin hole are such that a used barrel from another gun may have the notch in the barrel for the pin on the correct location. The standard fix for that is an oversize pin.
Swapping the barrel back and forth will over time destroy the tight pilot fit.
Subject to the fit issues, the barrel from any model with the same rear sight will work. That would include Models A, D, E, H-A, H-D, H-E and the Model H-D Military.
These guns should use standard velocity ammunition only CCI standard velocity at 1070 fps has good performance at a good price.
The retracting rod spring will wear out but most other parts if not abused should last your lifetime.0 -
Switching barrels frequently isn't really an option. As with many of the older classic firearms, Bubba(izing) isn't recommended. If you want to DIY gunsmith a pistol, please find one that no one really cares about. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by JohnStimson
quote:Originally posted by dav1965
I just bought a Hi Standard H-D Military pistol with the serial number 221330. From what i could find out it was made between 1946 and 1951.
I was wondering what year it was made in.
Another question i have is how hard is it to remove the barrel. Looking at the gun the barrel is held in place with a roll pin. If i knock out the pin will i be able to remove the barrel or will i have to do something else also.
After i bought the gun i was thinking that it would be nice to have a 6 inch barrel also. Especially if it is easy to switch back and forth.
The last ? i have is there any parts i should buy now in case something breaks. The gun shoots great but with it being old i was wondering if i should buy a few thing just in case because parts are not going to get easier to find.
Also will any other model barrels work?
Thanks for the help.
221,330 shipped as a catalog number 9051 on 1/26/1978 to account number 2931 on invoice number 9822.This one lagged in assembly or inventory as a number of other guns around this serial number shipped in November and December 1947.
The catalog number says that it originally shipped with the 6.75" length barrel. Some previous owner has already changed the barrel once or had a gunsmith change it.
The barrel fit to the frame was a slight press fit on the .500 nominal pilot diameter. This the barrel pilot has a slight taper of about .0005" over its length. The barrel were selected for fit on a particular frame to insure a fit that was not too lose or too tight. Once pushed in to the frame, a drill was passed through the pin hole in the frame to make room for the pin and then the hole was reamed heaving a notch in the barrel pilot. Once installed and removed the pilot may or may not have the proper fit. The tolerances on the location of the pin hole are such that a used barrel from another gun may have the notch in the barrel for the pin on the correct location. The standard fix for that is an oversize pin.
Swapping the barrel back and forth will over time destroy the tight pilot fit.
Subject to the fit issues, the barrel from any model with the same rear sight will work. That would include Models A, D, E, H-A, H-D, H-E and the Model H-D Military.
These guns should use standard velocity ammunition only CCI standard velocity at 1070 fps has good performance at a good price.
The retracting rod spring will wear out but most other parts if not abused should last your lifetime.
The .22 RF velocities, listed by the ammo companies. Can be very deceptive! The CCI Standard Velocity, that John mentions is a excellent example. The 1070 FPS is from a 18" rifle barrel. Actual muzzle velocity from a pistol barrel. Would be in the 900 FPS range.
The CCI Standard Velocity, is one on of my favorites. I have chronograph it, from a number of different pistols.
As far as the .22 velocities, given by the manufacturers. All are from 18" barrels. My rule of thumb is to subtract 15%. To get the the "ball park" velocity from a pistol barrel.0 -
Thanks again for the help.
The person i got this from said that his uncle shot it in the early or mid 50s in competition.
This gun is also in great shape.
I do not know why i wanted these Hi Standard guns i just did. I have plenty derringers and 22 semi automatics.
For some reason i just like them.[:)]
Since i got the information i will not switch out the barrels because the gun is in to good of shape to Bubba it up.
Thanks again for the information.0 -
They are well made, accurate, and I prefer an external hammer. 0 -
Glad J.Stimson replied. I consider him THE authoriity on the H.S.'s line and agree with his recommendation of s.v. ammo.
Never experienced it with my own H.D. or other H.S.'s, but if I'm not mistaken the frames, at least on some, can be subject to cracking from extensive us of h.v. ammo.
Only "problem" I ever encountered was battering of the retaining notch on the aluminum slide of my space gun. Still functioned fine but looked ugly.0
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