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1886 Winchester

dodge69
Bert;
Sorry about replying in this forum, the comp with your address crashed.
Re. my '86, serial number 134150 with suffix A.
Cody letter says: carbine, 45-70,
rec'd in warehouse May 18/05,
rec'd in warehouse Sept.25/05 Lyman front sight and sights fitted, shipped Sept. 26/05,
order number 26591-A

I haven't been able to find out if all '86 carbines had the saddle ring and strap studs (mine has both). I thought maybe the Cody letter would perhaps mention that sort of detail.
I don't know if the rear sight is a 'correct' one but it is a flip -back type(about 1 and 1/2 inches tall) but has no yard markings on it.
I am well pleased with the Cody letter, it and the local history of this Winchester go together well. At some point I will be able to have pictures to show how it 'aged' in northern Canada.
Regards,
Jim Purdy
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  • dodge69
    Hi I have an 1886 winchester in pretty nice shape. I was going to sell it for a friend,but after getting it home and looking it over real good I discovered that it originally was chambered for 38-56 WCF and sometime ago the former owner had it rechambered for 45-70 govt. my dilema is that the former owner has passed away and he had it valued at over 3700.00 but because of the rechamber I don't think it would be worth near that much. Am I correct? The serial number dates it at around 1890 and it does have the octagon barrel.Very nice condition as noted before,Very nice patina color.non-cracked stock and very very fine pitting, tight action and fully functional. Any Ideas as to possible actual value? Thanks to all who answer.I believe it is the original barrel.
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  • charliemeyer007
    I would try and find a few factory loaded rounds at a local gun show and see if they will cycle. Or perhaps you could find some proper flat nosed Lyman cast bullets to load up for testing.

    One of dads last Winchester's was a 86 in 33WCF. It came from a uncle without a butt stock. It was a little rough from hanging in the barn for about 50 years. After fitting a stock, I borrowed a mold and we made some brass from 45-70. It shot ok and cycled fine. I have no clue were it went. I might have some stuff for it.

    added Lyman 338320

    added2 Perhaps you could ask in the wanted forum for someone to make up a few action proving dummies (brass and crimped bullet) can just go threw the regular mail. You should also consider asking at the cast boolits place http://castboolits.gunloads.com/

    I agree lot of gun assemblers out there, few gunsmiths.
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  • Mod1892
    Hello,

    DO NOT use pointed ammunition in tube magazine rifles!! The small pointed tip can detonate the primer of the cartridge above it and REAL BAD things happen in the instances. Your gun smith does not realize what he is doing. You want this ammunition. It is not common to find and I believe it is mostly custom made and reloaded.
    http://www.ammo-one.com/33Winchester.html
    https://hendershots.net/product/33-winchester-extreme-custom-ammo/

    Michael
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  • Hawk Carse
    The FTX bullet's red tip is rubber, meant for safety in tubular magazines. I can only guess that loaded in .33 WCF it is just not the right shape for feeding out of the Winchester magazine, it is meant for the .338 Marlin.

    Hornady used to make a 200 gr flatpoint for the .33 WCF but it is not listed now. Not many of those old guns being shot. Buffalo Arms has something similar
    https://www.buffaloarms.com/33-winchester-ammunition-200-grain-jacketed-fn-box-of-20-amo33win2

    I did not load my .33 with anything but cast bullets because I was shooting it in CAS rifle caliber side matches. They fed fine.
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  • dodge69
    Actually this ammo came from Buffalo. Does anybody know where I can get some cast bullets ?
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  • Bert H.
    It is highly unlikely that the polymer tip on the bullet is causing the feed problem from the magazine. Something in the action is hanging up, not allowing the cartridge to feed into the carrier properly. You need to find a better (more competent) gun smith.
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  • hillbille
    pull the polymer tip off the bullet and then try two. you can allways glue them back on.
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  • dodge69
    I would think Bert is more than likely correct. It is getting hard to find a real gunsmith anymore.
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  • fordsix
    made for round nose bullets
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  • guntrader49
    Check the carrier spring under the tang. A friend of mine had the same problem with a 45-90 he bought. I checked it over for him and found that the carrier spring was completely missing so the carrier wouldn't flip into position. Just a thought.
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  • pip5255
    sounds like an issue in the action, I would try to clean it and look for any problems then try to feed and watch real close.
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