Massive Verdict in Roundup Civil Suit
I see this stuff used all the time as I drive the Big Rig, many a state DOT uses Roundup to control weeds and bushes along the interstates. I see these big tanker trucks rolling down the shoulder of I 10, spraying Roundup onto the grass and bushes.
I am a Nature Boy I don't like chemicals, never have had Orkin visit my house it won't get termites because I built it right. I don't want to breathe in the crap that Orkin will spray in a house.
So I see these guys, out there 10 hours a day spraying hundreds of gallons of Roundup, as the wind blows the chemical onto their truck, they are going to breathe this stuff in. Got to be bad for your health.
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Monsanto to Pay $289.2M in Landmark Roundup Lawsuit Verdict
August 10, 2018
by Baum Hedlund Law
Genetic Engineering, Health Issues
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A San Francisco jury returned a verdict today in the case of a former groundskeeper with terminal cancer against Monsanto Company, ordering the agrochemical giant to pay $39.2 million in compensatory damages and $250 million in punitive damages for failing to warn consumers that exposure to Roundup weed killer causes cancer.
Dewayne ?Lee? Johnson filed the lawsuit (case no. CGC-16-550128) against St. Louis-based Monsanto Co. on Jan. 28, 2016, alleging exposure to the Roundup herbicide he sprayed while working as a groundskeeper for the Benicia Unified School District caused him to develop non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL).
On June 18, 2018, his case was assigned to Judge Suzanne Ramos Bolanos for the Superior Court of San Francisco, California. Johnson?s case was the first of its kind to proceed to trial due to his terminal diagnosis.
After eight weeks of trial proceedings, the jury found unanimously that Monsanto?s glyphosate-based Roundup weed killer caused Mr. Johnson to develop NHL, and that Monsanto failed to warn of this severe health hazard. Importantly, the jury also found that Monsanto acted with malice, oppression or fraud and should be punished for its conduct.
Monsanto Co. continues to refuse to warn consumers of the dangers of its multi-billion-dollar product Roundup despite the world?s foremost authority on cancer?the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)?listing glyphosate as a probable carcinogen in 2015.
Lee Johnson is one of more than 4,000 people from across the country to file suit against Monsanto in state and federal courts based on allegations linking Roundup to cancer.
He was represented at trial by Brent Wisner of Baum, Hedlund, Aristei and Goldman, David Dickens of the Miller Firm and Mark Burton of Audet & Partners LLP.
Co-lead trial counsel Brent Wisner said today?s verdict was a result of newly-revealed, confidential company documents.
"We were finally able to show the jury the secret, internal Monsanto documents proving that Monsanto has known for decades that glyphosate and specifically Roundup could cause cancer," Wisner said. "Despite the Environmental Protection Agency?s failure to require labeling, we are proud that an independent jury followed the evidence and used its voice to send a message to Monsanto that its years of deception regarding Roundup is over and that they should put consumer safety first over profits."
For years Monsanto has claimed that there is no evidence that Roundup causes cancer, yet a mountain of testimony and documents was admitted during the trial. Johnson?s attorneys proved through testimony from Monsanto?s witnesses that company employees ?ghostwrote? scientific articles and paid outside scientists to publish the articles in their name.
Internal documents revealed that a scientific advisor hired by Monsanto told the company that past testing for Roundup was insufficient because glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, was tested in isolation without the other chemical ingredients that make up the Roundup formulation.
"Many of these confidential Monsanto documents were unsealed for the first time,? co-lead counsel David Dickens said. ?They show that Monsanto knew that its testing was insufficient and that there was a synergistic effect when glyphosate is combined with surfactants which help the glyphosate penetrate both plant and animal cell walls.?
In other now-public documents, Monsanto employees reacted to California EPA?s listing of glyphosate as a carcinogen by calling Californians ?liberals and morons,? overwhelming Monsanto like a ?zombie movie? that they had to take out one at a time starting with the 2016 presidential election.
In addition to hearing from expert witnesses, the jury listened to heart-wrenching testimony from Lee Johnson and his wife, Araceli.
Araceli recalled for the jury the many sleepless nights Lee spent crying in bed when his children were not around. ?He tried to hide it, and I think he tried to show that he was strong,? she said. ?He tried to be positive; he wanted to be?for us and the kids.?
After her husband began chemotherapy, Araceli took a second job working 14-hour days to help pay the family?s rising medical bills while still driving her two sons an extra 45 minutes to Napa Valley School District in hopes of providing them better educational opportunities.
When Lee took the stand, he told the jury how scared and confused he was after receiving the news that he had cancer. He also described the times he contacted Monsanto to see if the skin lesions he developed were related to his use of Roundup. When he did not hear back from the company, he continued to use the herbicide.
Most notably, Johnson testified that he would never have used Roundup if he had known of the dangers, and accused Monsanto of concealing Roundup?s safety risks to continue profiting from its billion-dollar herbicide.
?I never would?ve sprayed that product on school grounds or around people if I knew it would cause them harm,? Johnson said during emotional testimony. ?It?s unethical. It?s wrong. People don?t deserve that.?
I am a Nature Boy I don't like chemicals, never have had Orkin visit my house it won't get termites because I built it right. I don't want to breathe in the crap that Orkin will spray in a house.
So I see these guys, out there 10 hours a day spraying hundreds of gallons of Roundup, as the wind blows the chemical onto their truck, they are going to breathe this stuff in. Got to be bad for your health.
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Monsanto to Pay $289.2M in Landmark Roundup Lawsuit Verdict
August 10, 2018
by Baum Hedlund Law
Genetic Engineering, Health Issues
monsanto_verdict.jpg
A San Francisco jury returned a verdict today in the case of a former groundskeeper with terminal cancer against Monsanto Company, ordering the agrochemical giant to pay $39.2 million in compensatory damages and $250 million in punitive damages for failing to warn consumers that exposure to Roundup weed killer causes cancer.
Dewayne ?Lee? Johnson filed the lawsuit (case no. CGC-16-550128) against St. Louis-based Monsanto Co. on Jan. 28, 2016, alleging exposure to the Roundup herbicide he sprayed while working as a groundskeeper for the Benicia Unified School District caused him to develop non-Hodgkin lymphoma (NHL).
On June 18, 2018, his case was assigned to Judge Suzanne Ramos Bolanos for the Superior Court of San Francisco, California. Johnson?s case was the first of its kind to proceed to trial due to his terminal diagnosis.
After eight weeks of trial proceedings, the jury found unanimously that Monsanto?s glyphosate-based Roundup weed killer caused Mr. Johnson to develop NHL, and that Monsanto failed to warn of this severe health hazard. Importantly, the jury also found that Monsanto acted with malice, oppression or fraud and should be punished for its conduct.
Monsanto Co. continues to refuse to warn consumers of the dangers of its multi-billion-dollar product Roundup despite the world?s foremost authority on cancer?the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC)?listing glyphosate as a probable carcinogen in 2015.
Lee Johnson is one of more than 4,000 people from across the country to file suit against Monsanto in state and federal courts based on allegations linking Roundup to cancer.
He was represented at trial by Brent Wisner of Baum, Hedlund, Aristei and Goldman, David Dickens of the Miller Firm and Mark Burton of Audet & Partners LLP.
Co-lead trial counsel Brent Wisner said today?s verdict was a result of newly-revealed, confidential company documents.
"We were finally able to show the jury the secret, internal Monsanto documents proving that Monsanto has known for decades that glyphosate and specifically Roundup could cause cancer," Wisner said. "Despite the Environmental Protection Agency?s failure to require labeling, we are proud that an independent jury followed the evidence and used its voice to send a message to Monsanto that its years of deception regarding Roundup is over and that they should put consumer safety first over profits."
For years Monsanto has claimed that there is no evidence that Roundup causes cancer, yet a mountain of testimony and documents was admitted during the trial. Johnson?s attorneys proved through testimony from Monsanto?s witnesses that company employees ?ghostwrote? scientific articles and paid outside scientists to publish the articles in their name.
Internal documents revealed that a scientific advisor hired by Monsanto told the company that past testing for Roundup was insufficient because glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, was tested in isolation without the other chemical ingredients that make up the Roundup formulation.
"Many of these confidential Monsanto documents were unsealed for the first time,? co-lead counsel David Dickens said. ?They show that Monsanto knew that its testing was insufficient and that there was a synergistic effect when glyphosate is combined with surfactants which help the glyphosate penetrate both plant and animal cell walls.?
In other now-public documents, Monsanto employees reacted to California EPA?s listing of glyphosate as a carcinogen by calling Californians ?liberals and morons,? overwhelming Monsanto like a ?zombie movie? that they had to take out one at a time starting with the 2016 presidential election.
In addition to hearing from expert witnesses, the jury listened to heart-wrenching testimony from Lee Johnson and his wife, Araceli.
Araceli recalled for the jury the many sleepless nights Lee spent crying in bed when his children were not around. ?He tried to hide it, and I think he tried to show that he was strong,? she said. ?He tried to be positive; he wanted to be?for us and the kids.?
After her husband began chemotherapy, Araceli took a second job working 14-hour days to help pay the family?s rising medical bills while still driving her two sons an extra 45 minutes to Napa Valley School District in hopes of providing them better educational opportunities.
When Lee took the stand, he told the jury how scared and confused he was after receiving the news that he had cancer. He also described the times he contacted Monsanto to see if the skin lesions he developed were related to his use of Roundup. When he did not hear back from the company, he continued to use the herbicide.
Most notably, Johnson testified that he would never have used Roundup if he had known of the dangers, and accused Monsanto of concealing Roundup?s safety risks to continue profiting from its billion-dollar herbicide.
?I never would?ve sprayed that product on school grounds or around people if I knew it would cause them harm,? Johnson said during emotional testimony. ?It?s unethical. It?s wrong. People don?t deserve that.?
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I really don't like to use chemicals either, but around here, if you don't the blackberries will just take over.
As far as the lawsuit......Anything that will being Monsanto to their knees.0 -
most of my farm spraying i hired appliators to do...very little by me ... 0 -
On the other side of the coin. I see local farmers and homeowners mix several types of these products together at triple the dose recommended or more, pour in some diesel fuel too boot and hose everything in sight wearing flip-flops, shorts and no shirt while smoking a cigarette.
Monsanto has deep pockets; they are ripe for slime lawyers to attack from every angle.
I am not saying this stuff makes a good salad dressing but from my country life observations not following directions and zero personal protection must play a part in the health issues seen.
AND JUST HOW DO YOU PROVE IT CAUSED NHL? NHL happens to people everyday that never even saw a jug of Roundup.0 -
I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth. 0 -
Round up is watered down Agent orange. Monsanto puts out more chemicals to treat our food supply than anyone . Most of the stuff will kill you.
I really don't want food that is engineered to kill pests, it's also going to kill me if I eat enough of it.
Also all this stuff they spray ends up in the water, soon we will have no clean water,0 -
Monsanto and other chemical industrial giants are poisoning many of us in our foods, air, and water. Very little is done by the FDA to warn us of what is in our processed foods and other serious health factors... 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by He Dog
I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.
Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.
Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.0 -
Occupational hazard. It defies belief to think a person sprays a product that kills everything in its path did not believe the warning labels or even thought for a minute the stuff was not dangerous to humans and all living things. 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.
Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.
Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.
People were told by the industry that asbestos and tobacco were not problems, either.
If you can prove the epidemiology another way, go right ahead.
I don't need to prove anything and you of all trolls should know it is impossible to prove a negative.0 -
Wish they would ban Sevin Dust while they're at it. 0 -
"So I see these guys, out there 10 hours a day spraying hundreds of gallons of Roundup,"
And you know this how??? In fact, I doubt it is actually "Roundup" as that is a trademarked name and the generic is much cheaper. So even if the sprayers are using glyphosate, there's a good chance it's not "Roundup".
Given a sufficient amount of cherry picking of "statistical information ", anything can be "proven to cause cancer" since in most cases, there's no way to prove what caused specific cancers.
I'll continue to use glyphosate as it's significantly less risk than many other options. Don't drink it,bath in it, or indiscriminately expose yourself to the chemical and you're less likely to suffer whatever related illnesses might result.0 -
So they simply put a warning on the label, pay all past injuries, and move forward. This is a small drop in the bucket for the company. They probably make that amount in one hour with the worldwide sales of Round up.
I must say I used the stuff but didn?t get much on me...0 -
When I first moved down to TN. I got a Chemical Applicators license at the behest of my Boss, (no one could pass the test,) worked at a Nursery/Landscaping service, we sprayed copious amount of "Ranger Pro," an industrial grade strength of Roundup, every day for hours on end. More serious stuff like Saigon. (Appropriate name.)
Being a NBC guy, I was very conscious of protective issues. He was always "what are you worried about?" Gave me a hard time about the # of rubber gloves I went through in a day. (F' U.)
We had it out one day, after I discovered he had been letting other employees use my Chemical Applicators license #. I walked off the job that day, after he became verbally abusive. (Again) F'U.
Dropped my keys on the ground and drove away. I should call and tell him I intend to sue him. Just to get him worked up.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.
Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.
Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.
People were told by the industry that asbestos and tobacco were not problems, either.
If you can prove the epidemiology another way, go right ahead.
I personally, appreciate your medical perspective Barz.
Having been an NBC guy in the Military, and the cavalier use of Roundup/Ranger Pro, I observed, this by "trained?" Professionals, I scratch my head in wonderment. My Idiot "Boss," and other employees would spray with leather gloves saturated. Wondered why I insisted on rubber gloves each and every exposure. Idiots.
Monsanto - yeah. They are looking out for your best interests. [xx(]
Just keep repeating that nonsense.0 -
Wonder who is going to pay for all the knock off products that use Glysphospahate (sp) 0 -
Ever wonder who was running the FDA? Monsanto. Look it up. 0 -
I sprayed glyphosate this morning. I try to not wear it, eat it or spray it where it could end up in my food supply. It's a good product for it's intended use, but like 2-4-5-T/agent orange, misuse leads to bad consequences.
In the past I have been exposed to multiple carcinogens that were not identified at the time. As I learned I tried to improve my knowledge of their use. I have used carbon tet, toluene, 2-4-5 T, asbestos, chromates, glyphosate, chlordane, 2-4 D and many others. Live and learn.
Many are excellent for their use and have been beneficial to health and life.0 -
"spray it where it could end up in my food supply."
Glyphosate does not "run off" nor can it "sit and wait"---it either lands on a plant or it degrades becoming inert. The true product acts on receptive plants by immediate absorption and translocation to the roots. The only way the product can "get in the food supply" is through produce that is sprayed immediately prior to harvest and this is strictly prohibited(besides, no edible produce is "Roundup ready").
I would compare the current production Glyphosate 41% vs Agent Orange as the difference between your house trained lap kitty and a starving African lion.0 -
Grew up on a working farm spraying all kinds of stuff over the years All kinds of 2-4d and other stuff we know know as really bad stuff .Cautions and warnings on the old stuff was vague to non existent Father died from a form of pancreatic cancer I am convinced it was chemical related but in the late 70 s who knew to sue everyone in sight? Would not be surprised if something similar doesn?t kill me 0 -
Around this area known as the Green House capital of the world during the height of producing crops under glass the cancer rate was high for those working with chemicals inside those big glass houses. Whatever was sprayed or applied just hung there with no wind. (I heard it referred to as capital many many times). At the time with no EPA one can only imagine what the chemical mess was. I don?t really recall many wearing breathing protection mostly they didn?t
I did some repairs, as a summer job, on mostly Tomatoes houses after cleaning out the remains of the last crop they would roto till horse s----t and soil, then install runs of drain tile surrounded by this concoction. Close it up and hit with steam to sterilize the mix no bugs.
Would be working over this caldron repairing and painting bars (rafters) plus any lights needing repair or replacement. Might have two rows of lights out to replace and reglaze. It was all you could do breath and continue working0 -
"When the actual seed is treated as with 'roundup ready corn' or 'roundup ready beans' so the field can be sprayed with roundup to kill weeds and the corn/beans plants are not effected."
DUDE,
"Roundup Ready" is NOT a seed treatment.
"Roundup Ready" seed is propagated from genetically modified parent stock.0 -
I only read the IP so if some of this is redundant, it's because it's the same thing I've been telling you for over 20 years.
Monsanto is not your friend. It's products kill bees, alter genetic codes, and some of it's products are banned everywhere in the world except the US and Canada.
History moment. 8 December 1941 (Does the day before ring any bells?), the Final Solution begins. Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest of the killing centers, has four large gas chambers using Zyklon B (crystalline hydrogen cyanide) as the killing agent. Zyklon B was created by the German chemical company I. G. Farben as an insecticide.
Insecticides or herbicides are poisons to life. Does Agent Orange only attack plants? I know several sailors personally that loaded those canisters aboard aircraft. It screwed them up.
I do not use poisons on bugs or plants. I learned to follow how nature does the job. Is that better? Of course it is.
You folks that eat poisons or Frankenfood may not see the folly of your actions for decades. What happens to you doesn't much concern me, but you're leaving poisons in the ground and it will come back to haunt us as surely as the sun rises.0 -
Just got through spraying some Ranger Pro. (An industrial grade of Roundup/glyphosate.)
I was very careful not to get any on my skin, either in preparation or spraying, or cleaning up. I use is very sparingly, and I am very careful in its application. It does have It's uses. Be intelligent about handling and using it.0 -
Barz, Glyposate has a lower LD50 than table salt. The studies that show problems have not been repeatable thus far. I think Glyphosate is safer than salt, even the pink stuff from Yeti land, though that may not be true of some of the adjuvents in Roundup. 0 -
The gene(s) for glyphosate resistance is a "heritable trait" and as such can be passed from generation to generation. After the initial gene implantation there is no "seed modification" involved. It's an inherited trait.
Considering how low the danger is for glyphosate vs many other options, I see it's use as being far safer than stuff with a skull and crossbones on the label.0 -
I use ortho products weed b gone ect. Much cheaper than roundup. No it doesn't work as fast but who cares. Spray the weeds and in a week they're dead instead of a day or two. Malathion works good for insects.
Remember DDT? Then diazanon yes none of it's good for you and a little common sense should tell you that. Unfortunately common sense isn't very common.
Just think what would happen to the agriculture industry without these products? Organic food is at least twice as expensive in the stores if you noticed.0 -
" Much cheaper than roundup. No it doesn't work as fast but who cares. Spray the weeds and in a week they're dead instead of a day or two."
Generic Glyphosate costs about $12 per gallon(we buy in 30 or 50 gallon barrels pre-need on sale @ $9-10 gallon). At the max rate, that's $8 per ACRE. At the most common application rates, that's under $6 per acre. I haven't seen any product that compares with this cost .
Another misconception of glyphosate: it doesn't work in "a day or two". Glyphosate is a systemic herbicide and often takes 10-14 days to fully kill susceptible plants. Those products that turn weeds brown in a couple of days work in an entirely different mode.
"Just think what would happen to the agriculture industry without these products? Organic food is at least twice as expensive in the stores if you noticed."
Thanks for that. Folks need to be reminded often that their copious(and economical) food supply dangles from a fine thread.0 -
I heard you on the "10-14 days" needed to see a result. It is not very fast acting. It is very effective though.
We used to get Customers calling after a week. "We don't see anything
Give it time, you will.0 -
I said I was a Nature Boy and I don't use chemicals like Roundup. I didn't say it was a fair verdict.
In fact, it was a ridiculous verdict. Insane.
IF the shysters proved that Roundup caused the cancer, well then they have a case. Horrible cancer, he is a young guy, not gonna live long. Well, he doesn't exactly have an MD degree, or a Phd in Aerospace Engineering from MIT, does he.
No, we are going to put a monetary value on his life and he worked as a groundskeeper, I make $70K a year driving the big truck and I bet he makes less than that. A lot less.
So the value of his earnings lost, a million bucks tops. Value of his pain and suffering, another million.
And his wife, had to work 2 jobs etc, another million. Three million, we need to add a bunch so the lawyers can get their 33 percent, so it would be $5 million tops, IF they can prove that Roundup caused the cancer.
No, this is a verdict brought about by some real slick lawyers, and a bunch of communists on the jury. Monsanto is a very wealthy American capitalist company so the jury is gonna take 'em down a peg. Insane verdict.0 -
Roundup, the new asbestos. 0
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