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Massive Verdict in Roundup Civil Suit

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  • Horse Plains Drifter
    I really don't like to use chemicals either, but around here, if you don't the blackberries will just take over.

    As far as the lawsuit......Anything that will being Monsanto to their knees.
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  • spasmcreek
    most of my farm spraying i hired appliators to do...very little by me ...
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  • bpost
    On the other side of the coin. I see local farmers and homeowners mix several types of these products together at triple the dose recommended or more, pour in some diesel fuel too boot and hose everything in sight wearing flip-flops, shorts and no shirt while smoking a cigarette.

    Monsanto has deep pockets; they are ripe for slime lawyers to attack from every angle.

    I am not saying this stuff makes a good salad dressing but from my country life observations not following directions and zero personal protection must play a part in the health issues seen.

    AND JUST HOW DO YOU PROVE IT CAUSED NHL? NHL happens to people everyday that never even saw a jug of Roundup.
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  • He Dog
    I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.
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  • brier-49
    Round up is watered down Agent orange. Monsanto puts out more chemicals to treat our food supply than anyone . Most of the stuff will kill you.
    I really don't want food that is engineered to kill pests, it's also going to kill me if I eat enough of it.
    Also all this stuff they spray ends up in the water, soon we will have no clean water,
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  • wpage
    Monsanto and other chemical industrial giants are poisoning many of us in our foods, air, and water. Very little is done by the FDA to warn us of what is in our processed foods and other serious health factors...
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  • bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.


    Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.


    Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.
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  • Don McManus
    Occupational hazard. It defies belief to think a person sprays a product that kills everything in its path did not believe the warning labels or even thought for a minute the stuff was not dangerous to humans and all living things.
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  • bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.


    Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.


    Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.


    People were told by the industry that asbestos and tobacco were not problems, either.

    If you can prove the epidemiology another way, go right ahead.


    I don't need to prove anything and you of all trolls should know it is impossible to prove a negative.
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  • Rack Ops
    Wish they would ban Sevin Dust while they're at it.
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  • Mobuck
    "So I see these guys, out there 10 hours a day spraying hundreds of gallons of Roundup,"

    And you know this how??? In fact, I doubt it is actually "Roundup" as that is a trademarked name and the generic is much cheaper. So even if the sprayers are using glyphosate, there's a good chance it's not "Roundup".
    Given a sufficient amount of cherry picking of "statistical information ", anything can be "proven to cause cancer" since in most cases, there's no way to prove what caused specific cancers.
    I'll continue to use glyphosate as it's significantly less risk than many other options. Don't drink it,bath in it, or indiscriminately expose yourself to the chemical and you're less likely to suffer whatever related illnesses might result.
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  • roswellnative
    So they simply put a warning on the label, pay all past injuries, and move forward. This is a small drop in the bucket for the company. They probably make that amount in one hour with the worldwide sales of Round up.

    I must say I used the stuff but didn?t get much on me...
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  • 84Bravo1
    When I first moved down to TN. I got a Chemical Applicators license at the behest of my Boss, (no one could pass the test,) worked at a Nursery/Landscaping service, we sprayed copious amount of "Ranger Pro," an industrial grade strength of Roundup, every day for hours on end. More serious stuff like Saigon. (Appropriate name.)

    Being a NBC guy, I was very conscious of protective issues. He was always "what are you worried about?" Gave me a hard time about the # of rubber gloves I went through in a day. (F' U.)

    We had it out one day, after I discovered he had been letting other employees use my Chemical Applicators license #. I walked off the job that day, after he became verbally abusive. (Again) F'U.

    Dropped my keys on the ground and drove away. I should call and tell him I intend to sue him. Just to get him worked up.
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  • 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by bpost
    quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    I am not totally convinced the opinion of a California jury is the same as Truth.


    Monsanto's own research was not California jury derived.


    Coffee, licorice bacon and non-sugar sweeteners MAY be carcinogenic too. There is nothing actually proven about the product. It was the heart wrenching testimony and $1,000 per hour lawyers that got the California verdict. It sounds like he applied Roundup much as I described above, never heading the cautions on the bottle.


    People were told by the industry that asbestos and tobacco were not problems, either.

    If you can prove the epidemiology another way, go right ahead.



    I personally, appreciate your medical perspective Barz.

    Having been an NBC guy in the Military, and the cavalier use of Roundup/Ranger Pro, I observed, this by "trained?" Professionals, I scratch my head in wonderment. My Idiot "Boss," and other employees would spray with leather gloves saturated. Wondered why I insisted on rubber gloves each and every exposure. Idiots.


    Monsanto - yeah. They are looking out for your best interests. [xx(]


    Just keep repeating that nonsense.
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  • mogley98
    Wonder who is going to pay for all the knock off products that use Glysphospahate (sp)
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  • mag00
    Ever wonder who was running the FDA? Monsanto. Look it up.
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  • wundudnee
    I sprayed glyphosate this morning. I try to not wear it, eat it or spray it where it could end up in my food supply. It's a good product for it's intended use, but like 2-4-5-T/agent orange, misuse leads to bad consequences.

    In the past I have been exposed to multiple carcinogens that were not identified at the time. As I learned I tried to improve my knowledge of their use. I have used carbon tet, toluene, 2-4-5 T, asbestos, chromates, glyphosate, chlordane, 2-4 D and many others. Live and learn.

    Many are excellent for their use and have been beneficial to health and life.
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  • Mobuck
    "spray it where it could end up in my food supply."

    Glyphosate does not "run off" nor can it "sit and wait"---it either lands on a plant or it degrades becoming inert. The true product acts on receptive plants by immediate absorption and translocation to the roots. The only way the product can "get in the food supply" is through produce that is sprayed immediately prior to harvest and this is strictly prohibited(besides, no edible produce is "Roundup ready").
    I would compare the current production Glyphosate 41% vs Agent Orange as the difference between your house trained lap kitty and a starving African lion.
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  • pulsarnc
    Grew up on a working farm spraying all kinds of stuff over the years All kinds of 2-4d and other stuff we know know as really bad stuff .Cautions and warnings on the old stuff was vague to non existent Father died from a form of pancreatic cancer I am convinced it was chemical related but in the late 70 s who knew to sue everyone in sight? Would not be surprised if something similar doesn?t kill me
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  • Ford 23
    Around this area known as the Green House capital of the world during the height of producing crops under glass the cancer rate was high for those working with chemicals inside those big glass houses. Whatever was sprayed or applied just hung there with no wind. (I heard it referred to as capital many many times). At the time with no EPA one can only imagine what the chemical mess was. I don?t really recall many wearing breathing protection mostly they didn?t

    I did some repairs, as a summer job, on mostly Tomatoes houses after cleaning out the remains of the last crop they would roto till horse s----t and soil, then install runs of drain tile surrounded by this concoction. Close it up and hit with steam to sterilize the mix no bugs.

    Would be working over this caldron repairing and painting bars (rafters) plus any lights needing repair or replacement. Might have two rows of lights out to replace and reglaze. It was all you could do breath and continue working
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  • Mobuck
    "When the actual seed is treated as with 'roundup ready corn' or 'roundup ready beans' so the field can be sprayed with roundup to kill weeds and the corn/beans plants are not effected."

    DUDE,
    "Roundup Ready" is NOT a seed treatment.

    "Roundup Ready" seed is propagated from genetically modified parent stock.
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  • p3skyking
    I only read the IP so if some of this is redundant, it's because it's the same thing I've been telling you for over 20 years.

    Monsanto is not your friend. It's products kill bees, alter genetic codes, and some of it's products are banned everywhere in the world except the US and Canada.

    History moment. 8 December 1941 (Does the day before ring any bells?), the Final Solution begins. Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest of the killing centers, has four large gas chambers using Zyklon B (crystalline hydrogen cyanide) as the killing agent. Zyklon B was created by the German chemical company I. G. Farben as an insecticide.

    Insecticides or herbicides are poisons to life. Does Agent Orange only attack plants? I know several sailors personally that loaded those canisters aboard aircraft. It screwed them up.

    I do not use poisons on bugs or plants. I learned to follow how nature does the job. Is that better? Of course it is.

    You folks that eat poisons or Frankenfood may not see the folly of your actions for decades. What happens to you doesn't much concern me, but you're leaving poisons in the ground and it will come back to haunt us as surely as the sun rises.
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  • 84Bravo1
    Just got through spraying some Ranger Pro. (An industrial grade of Roundup/glyphosate.)

    I was very careful not to get any on my skin, either in preparation or spraying, or cleaning up. I use is very sparingly, and I am very careful in its application. It does have It's uses. Be intelligent about handling and using it.
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  • He Dog
    Barz, Glyposate has a lower LD50 than table salt. The studies that show problems have not been repeatable thus far. I think Glyphosate is safer than salt, even the pink stuff from Yeti land, though that may not be true of some of the adjuvents in Roundup.
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  • Mobuck
    The gene(s) for glyphosate resistance is a "heritable trait" and as such can be passed from generation to generation. After the initial gene implantation there is no "seed modification" involved. It's an inherited trait.
    Considering how low the danger is for glyphosate vs many other options, I see it's use as being far safer than stuff with a skull and crossbones on the label.
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  • Hunter Mag
    I use ortho products weed b gone ect. Much cheaper than roundup. No it doesn't work as fast but who cares. Spray the weeds and in a week they're dead instead of a day or two. Malathion works good for insects.
    Remember DDT? Then diazanon yes none of it's good for you and a little common sense should tell you that. Unfortunately common sense isn't very common.
    Just think what would happen to the agriculture industry without these products? Organic food is at least twice as expensive in the stores if you noticed.
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  • Mobuck
    " Much cheaper than roundup. No it doesn't work as fast but who cares. Spray the weeds and in a week they're dead instead of a day or two."
    Generic Glyphosate costs about $12 per gallon(we buy in 30 or 50 gallon barrels pre-need on sale @ $9-10 gallon). At the max rate, that's $8 per ACRE. At the most common application rates, that's under $6 per acre. I haven't seen any product that compares with this cost .
    Another misconception of glyphosate: it doesn't work in "a day or two". Glyphosate is a systemic herbicide and often takes 10-14 days to fully kill susceptible plants. Those products that turn weeds brown in a couple of days work in an entirely different mode.

    "Just think what would happen to the agriculture industry without these products? Organic food is at least twice as expensive in the stores if you noticed."

    Thanks for that. Folks need to be reminded often that their copious(and economical) food supply dangles from a fine thread.
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  • 84Bravo1
    I heard you on the "10-14 days" needed to see a result. It is not very fast acting. It is very effective though.

    We used to get Customers calling after a week. "We don't see anything
    Give it time, you will.
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  • allen griggs
    I said I was a Nature Boy and I don't use chemicals like Roundup. I didn't say it was a fair verdict.

    In fact, it was a ridiculous verdict. Insane.

    IF the shysters proved that Roundup caused the cancer, well then they have a case. Horrible cancer, he is a young guy, not gonna live long. Well, he doesn't exactly have an MD degree, or a Phd in Aerospace Engineering from MIT, does he.

    No, we are going to put a monetary value on his life and he worked as a groundskeeper, I make $70K a year driving the big truck and I bet he makes less than that. A lot less.

    So the value of his earnings lost, a million bucks tops. Value of his pain and suffering, another million.
    And his wife, had to work 2 jobs etc, another million. Three million, we need to add a bunch so the lawyers can get their 33 percent, so it would be $5 million tops, IF they can prove that Roundup caused the cancer.

    No, this is a verdict brought about by some real slick lawyers, and a bunch of communists on the jury. Monsanto is a very wealthy American capitalist company so the jury is gonna take 'em down a peg. Insane verdict.
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  • droptop
    Roundup, the new asbestos.
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