Cop Chase killers get in gun fight
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5961595/Las-Vegas-cop-fires-windscreen-high-speed-chase.html
The video is worth watching, the last 1 Min is the best.
Cop shoots through his own window at these guys who are shooting back at him.
In the end he gets them but watch his reload, in a stressful situation muscle memory will take over. I would suggest he practice reloads some more.............Good job officer.
I forgot also watch how he holds the gun[B)]
The video is worth watching, the last 1 Min is the best.
Cop shoots through his own window at these guys who are shooting back at him.
In the end he gets them but watch his reload, in a stressful situation muscle memory will take over. I would suggest he practice reloads some more.............Good job officer.
I forgot also watch how he holds the gun[B)]
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Wow. Yes, good job officer. 0 -
Interesting video, the officer survived, situation resolved, suspects down or in custody...that's the good part.
Many training issues for the future.
Definitely an interesting mag change...he almost tried to stuff it in backwards. The "grip" draws some attention also. This definitely shows how extreme stress can challenge not only an individual's motor skills but also his/her thought processes.
Sam, are your thoughts/experiences about firing thru glass (especially angled safety glass) with a handgun similar to mine?0 -
Yes I doubt he had much accuracy shooting through the glass until the hole was large enough to shoot through.
Here is another reason to practice off hand shooting and weak hand shooting.
I think he was right in doing whatever was possible to stop the bad guys. Did you see they had 3 guns in the car; G21, S&W SV40 and a Taurus 9mm. I don't know how much ammo they had but they were well armed and they were shooting at the cops.
This is why I say he did the right thing because bullets were flying all over the place, I am surprised some bystander was not hit.0 -
...or he didn't get a face full of glass from the blowback of the windshield shattering.
No argument, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get things done and stay alive. I know his adrenaline was pumping.
+1 on the weak hand shooting...you never know when it'll become a necessity. It did for me in one incident, didn't even much realize I'd gone to weak hand and gotten busy until the team medic said something. Training takes over.
(Lol, I'm betting he was also thinking he should have taken the day off!)0 -
quote:Originally posted by ChrisStreett
Interesting video, the officer survived, situation resolved, suspects down or in custody...that's the good part.
Many training issues for the future.
Definitely an interesting mag change...he almost tried to stuff it in backwards. The "grip" draws some attention also. This definitely shows how extreme stress can challenge not only an individual's motor skills but also his/her thought processes.
Sam, are your thoughts/experiences about firing thru glass (especially angled safety glass) with a handgun similar to mine?
Yes, it would be interesting to learn what his training habits were. I suspect he is not one of us cops that are a "gun guy" that lives for range time. Crossing his thumbs is a big indicator. I am just glad he won the fight. I'd like to think in that situation that I'd deploy my rifle. It would just be a better option. Perhaps he didn't have one with in reach.0 -
I wonder how a left handed officer would have handled it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by chollagardens
I wonder how a left handed officer would have handled it.
Probably would have shot them using his left hand.[:p]0 -
Interesting responses from you LEO on here. I'm always learning something.
What little education I have on such matters (not much mind you, I am not military or LE) recommended using your hand gun if forced to fire from inside your vehicle as a rifle may encumber your field of fire . Not to try to compensate for bullet deflection by the glass as you couldn't accurately do so anyway. Just fire straight at the target, if the first shots didn't stay true hopefully the following ones would. Take your rifle with you when you exit the vehicle.
I know there are no hard fast rules and you have to do what you have to. A lot would depend on firearm lengths, circumstances etc.
I read a story about an officer in Indianapolis that got into a shooting fight with a man that had just robbed a bank. The man exited his vehicle and rushed the officer firing as he came. The officer had to shoot through the windshield then exit his vehicle, he was not able to secure his rifle before he exited. So he had to fight with his sidearm and the ammo on his person. Fight lasted long enough for the officer to place 14 torso hits on the man before finally getting one in the man's head, ending the fight. Some of the torso wound would have killed him, in time, but didn't stopped him.
The officer was also wounded, he did recover and went back to work. The officer was shooting a .45 acp. In the article the officer stated he had since went to a 9mm and carried a lot more ammo on his person. I think it was posted here.0 -
Whew,, intense chase, no innocents killed, no cop killed, one perp dead, wish the other one had got it also. 0 -
If I fired thru a windshield (my plan, thought process would be), after the first shot or two I'd try to push the barrel thru the windshield. I'd use my rifle because it's more accurate than my pistol, more stable across the dash and I'm going to get much better penetration into the vehicle I'm shooting into. Even with severely fractured windshield my Eotech is still going to be pretty accurate compared to pistol sights. Put that donut of death on the left third of the tailgate and back glass and hammer away. 0 -
I find it miraculous that so many bullets fly and the good guys are safe and the bad guys get what's coming to them! 0 -
Here?s the press conference which explains some things. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9699n4Hd2g&feature=youtu.be0 -
I congratulate the Officer?s for doing their job, but I feel for them having been put into this position.
In 36 years as a LEO I was involved in a few incident involving the use of deadly force, but never did I or any other LEO I worked along side of ever have to use this much fire power, nor was I ever shot at to that degree.
I think he kept a pretty level head for what he was going through. I never had a rifle to use in any patrol car I drove, but I did have many shotguns. Personally I would have wanted a shotgun upon exiting the patrol vehicle. I understand that the second Officer did in fact use his shotgun to dispatch the passenger who had moved to the drivers seat, and was attempting to back up the vehicle towards the Officers. May he RIP...[}:)]
I see nothing wrong in the reloading incident. It could have happened to the best of us, and it looks like he corrected it fairly quickly.
I?m not sure what effect if any firing through the windshield had, but again I hold nothing against the Officer for having done that. I can honstly say that I know of one Deputy Cheif I once worked for who would have made me pay for that windshield...[^]
Several folks have mentioned using a rifle in this incident, and to that I say it could have had some ill effects. While it also could have ended the incident sooner, the rounds that may have went astray would have been a greater risk to bystanders. At the end they were at a school. The use of handguns & shotguns offered a safer option, and did have the effect intended.
I worked Internal Affairs as an LEo for many years, and from this body camera video, I would have used it to totally exonerate the Officer from any liability, or wrong doing.
Job week done.
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My position on rifle versus pistol is that the chances of missing with a pistol are much higher than missing with a rifle. The trade off in the higher likelihood of injury with the rifle round IMO is mitigated by the higher likelihood of missing using a pistol. The deflection of the pistol rounds going up when traveling thru glass is more likely than with the rifle rounds. It is also more likely that less rounds would have been required to end the situation from a rifle than were required from his handgun. Just my thoughts on it, if I get into a shootout, or am responding to situation that may require a gun my first thoughts are toward having my rifle ready. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
My position on rifle versus pistol is that the chances of missing with a pistol are much higher than missing with a rifle. The trade off in the higher likelihood of injury with the rifle round IMO is mitigated by the higher likelihood of missing using a pistol. The deflection of the pistol rounds going up when traveling thru glass is more likely than with the rifle rounds. It is also more likely that less rounds would have been required to end the situation from a rifle than were required from his handgun. Just my thoughts on it, if I get into a shootout, or am responding to situation that may require a gun my first thoughts are toward having my rifle ready.
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A pistol is a poor substitute for a rifle and is more of a defensive weapon than offensive IMO.
Going into a situation that you know people are slinging lead, I would take a rifle of just about any caliber, next would be a shotgun and last resort would be a handgun. The only exception would be if I was very confining quarters like a Pipe or a tunnel.0 -
Glad the good guys won the day on this one...also a few less dirt bags in the world. 0 -
Retired NPD buddy here last night said:
"We'd be fired or in jail after that."0
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