interesting stopping power article
I also like how he critiques his own data that he collected.
But nevertheless, it is a pretty interesting read
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
But nevertheless, it is a pretty interesting read
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alternate-look-handgun-stopping-power
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Thanks for sharing, rem. 0 -
I thought it relative to the post, so I thought that I'd add to it. I posted this about a year or so ago. If you don't want to read the top few paragraphs, go down a bit to the "history and additional comments" portion below the 380 ACP (personal preferences) section. It's all a really interesting read IMO..
http://www.seecamp.com/ammunition.htm0 -
quote:Originally posted by toad67
I thought it relative to the post, so I thought that I'd add to it. I posted this about a year or so ago. If you don't want to read the top few paragraphs, go down a bit to the "history and additional comments" portion below the 380 ACP (personal preferences) section. It's all a really interesting read IMO..
http://www.seecamp.com/ammunition.htm
A lot of great information in it. I especially found the information about magazines "creating a memory" (for lack of a better phrase) of the type of ammo that is used in it. It looks like I will have to dedicate a few magazines to ball ammunition and a few magazines to hollow-point ammunition
Thank you for adding that link.0 -
Look at that! The little .22 lr the most lethal pistol cartridge, tied only with the .357 mag.
I have been telling y'all that for years, with my many years of experience as a paramedic, the little .22 is a vicious man-killer.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Look at that! The little .22 lr the most lethal pistol cartridge, tied only with the .357 mag.
I have been telling y'all that for years, with my many years of experience as a paramedic, the little .22 is a vicious man-killer.
That's because when people are shot with the .22, it tickles so much that they die laughing]0 -
Good article, it confirms what I have been told all my life; Shot placement and penetration are all that count everything else is just hype.
Cary a gun that you shoot accurately especially under pressure and a bullet that will dig deep.0 -
Quik-Shok 22lr ammo had 3 splits in hollow point that broke into 3 pieces and bounced around ...rather nasty ... Browning bought it and is producing it as BPR performance rimfire fragmenting bullet...works well in a NAA mini pocket revolver loaded with this.. 0 -
Nothing beats a cheap shotgun. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Look at that! The little .22 lr the most lethal pistol cartridge, tied only with the .357 mag.
I have been telling y'all that for years, with my many years of experience as a paramedic, the little .22 is a vicious man-killer.
I am sticking with my .357 though.0 -
Too many variables , clothing, ammo type..distance of shot..and on and on .. 0 -
We've seen this before a few times, always worth a look. I like how it reinforces the notion that 9mm mainly just pisses people off when they get hit with it, and sometimes to the point where they actually stop attacking. If you want to kill your attacker (or even stop them quickly), use something else.
It's interesting to note, too, that accuracy using the 9mm to stop a criminal is low compared to other rounds used, yet it being a shootable round is something nearly everyone touts as they brag it up. Clearly not the case.0 -
Just reinforces the old saying "The purpose of a handgun is to fight your way to a long gun" 0 -
I've shot far too many game animals to accept most "theories" about stopping power.
Ten days ago we were hunting elk and ended up using my rifle to shoot two elk. Similar size animals, same rifle/ammo, both lung shots, but much different results. My shot was @ 200 yards, the elk ran 50 yards a laid down but got up and required a follow up shot. The second elk was hit @ 354 yards, impact was within 2" of my hit, but the elk took 10 steps and toppled over.
If this had been different caliber or even ammo, one might have had the opinion that gun/ammo combo of #2 shot was "better" than gun/ammo combo of #1 shot.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
I've shot far too many game animals to accept most "theories" about stopping power.
Ten days ago we were hunting elk and ended up using my rifle to shoot two elk. Similar size animals, same rifle/ammo, both lung shots, but much different results. My shot was @ 200 yards, the elk ran 50 yards a laid down but got up and required a follow up shot. The second elk was hit @ 354 yards, impact was within 2" of my hit, but the elk took 10 steps and toppled over.
If this had been different caliber or even ammo, one might have had the opinion that gun/ammo combo of #2 shot was "better" than gun/ammo combo of #1 shot.
One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts.0 -
"One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts."
You are getting off in to some thin air with that theory.0 -
I've been typically carrying my LC9 9mm with an extra mag...maybe I should give up some capacity and carry my LCR in 357... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts."
You are getting off in to some thin air with that theory.
Actually research suggest it makes a big difference. I read an article some time back on a study performed on a cape buffalo cull hunt. Same rifle, same ammo, basically the same shot placement. Some went straight down, some didn't. Autopsy results were telling. Those that went straight down had ruptured blood vessels in the brain. Conclusion was the ones with ruptured brain vessels where hit when the heart was in systole causing a sudden increase in blood pressure when the bullets impact raised the pressure in the thoracic cavity from hydro-shock.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts."
You are getting off in to some thin air with that theory.
Actually research suggest it makes a big difference. I read an article some time back on a study performed on a cape buffalo cull hunt. Same rifle, same ammo, basically the same shot placement. Some went straight down, some didn't. Autopsy results were telling. Those that went straight down had ruptured blood vessels in the brain. Conclusion was the ones with ruptured brain vessels where hit when the heart was in systole causing a sudden increase in blood pressure when the bullets impact raised the pressure in the thoracic cavity from hydro-shock.
Interesting theory. But how drunk does one need to get his hunting buddy to go and hold a stethoscope on the animal to let him know when the animal is inhaling and exhaling...[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by toad67
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts."
You are getting off in to some thin air with that theory.
Actually research suggest it makes a big difference. I read an article some time back on a study performed on a cape buffalo cull hunt. Same rifle, same ammo, basically the same shot placement. Some went straight down, some didn't. Autopsy results were telling. Those that went straight down had ruptured blood vessels in the brain. Conclusion was the ones with ruptured brain vessels where hit when the heart was in systole causing a sudden increase in blood pressure when the bullets impact raised the pressure in the thoracic cavity from hydro-shock.
Interesting theory. But how drunk does one need to get his hunting buddy to go and hold a stethoscope on the animal to let him know when the animal is inhaling and exhaling...[:D]
Hey buddy, drink this fifth for starters, there's something we need to discuss................[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by toad67
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"One of the theories I am beginning to subscribe to is that the cycle of the heartbeat plays a significant role: i.e. whether the heart is pushing or pulling when the bullet impacts."
You are getting off in to some thin air with that theory.
Actually research suggest it makes a big difference. I read an article some time back on a study performed on a cape buffalo cull hunt. Same rifle, same ammo, basically the same shot placement. Some went straight down, some didn't. Autopsy results were telling. Those that went straight down had ruptured blood vessels in the brain. Conclusion was the ones with ruptured brain vessels where hit when the heart was in systole causing a sudden increase in blood pressure when the bullets impact raised the pressure in the thoracic cavity from hydro-shock.
Interesting theory. But how drunk does one need to get his hunting buddy to go and hold a stethoscope on the animal to let him know when the animal is inhaling and exhaling...[:D]
Hey buddy, drink this fifth for starters, there's something we need to discuss................[;)]
Sounds like a good place to start..[:D]0 -
It is good data and your actual results may vary. 0
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