Check out these Russians in WW1
This is a cool picture it shows Russian soldiers with 1895 Winchesters in WW1.
The Russians bought around 300K 1985's
The Russians bought around 300K 1985's
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Like to have a few dozen of those in my lot. Would be taking a nice vacation.[:)] 0 -
Sam, never say the Russians don't learn a lesson.
They once got their ass handed to them by the Turks using Winchesters.
http://youwillshootyoureyeout.com/the-winchester-1866-in-the-russo-turkish-war-of-1877/
There was once a Russian contact Colt 1911 too.0 -
I have one in spectacular condition...
And technically the nomenclature 1895 is incorrect.
It's a good shooter and very smooth operator
With the bayonet attached it's rather imposing
Back in the day finding stripper clips was difficult
Despite the size and weight she kicks hard when fired
A true 3 line - 3 band infantry model
My wood appears identical to Winchester factory production but is arctic birch and I suspect a very well made replacement
They bring quite a premium at auction these days
Mine still has the imperial czarist proofs and crest and markings
Many were wiped and restamped following the October revolution
I do not have the cleaning kit that fits in the buttstock and I do not have the bayonet scabbard (bayonet is number matched to the receiver) or the sling
A bunch of these ended up in the Spanish the War of Northern Aggression on the communist side - there is some anecdotal evidence that US citizens serving in the Abraham Lincoln brigade were issued these lever guns
An interesting piece for sure.
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I've got to ask.....what's the caliber the Russians are shooting ? 0 -
Just from looking at this picture I can truly say that War is HELL!
Poison gas along with bullets flying and trying to see through a fogging mask that may or may not be sealed to withstand death!
Sure makes me thankful today that I have never had such an experience in my lifetime.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
I've got to ask.....what's the caliber the Russians are shooting ?
They were in 7.62x54R just like their junky Mosins[;)]0 -
7.62x54 was the caliber 0 -
Great pic! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Brookwood
Just from looking at this picture I can truly say that War is HELL!
Poison gas along with bullets flying and trying to see through a fogging mask that may or may not be sealed to withstand death!
Sure makes me thankful today that I have never had such an experience in my lifetime.
Those were hard time for sure. Tough guys.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Sam, never say the Russians don't learn a lesson.
They once got their ass handed to them by the Turks using Winchesters.
There were more than just the Russian's that got their asses handed to them by the Turks. US Soldiers found out that a .38 caliber gun wouldn't slow down a charging drugged up Turk which is the reason they went to the .45 caliber pistol.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Smitty500mag
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
Sam, never say the Russians don't learn a lesson.
They once got their ass handed to them by the Turks using Winchesters.
There were more than just the Russian's that got their asses handed to them by the Turks. US Soldiers found out that a .38 caliber gun wouldn't slow down a charging drugged up Turk which is the reason they went to the .45 caliber pistol.
What battle. I've always read it was the Moros in the Philippines that the .38 wouldn't stop. The stopgap was reissuing Modlel 73 Colt .45's.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
I've got to ask.....what's the caliber the Russians are shooting ?
They were in 7.62x54R just like their junky Mosins[;)]
What do you dislike about the mosin nagant family of bolt action rifle variants???
Just curious - I have owned and compared / contrasted most bolt action or straight pull infantry rifles used since 1880 through to the Korean war...
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quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
What battle. I've always read it was the Moros in the Philippines that the .38 wouldn't stop. The stopgap was reissuing Modlel 73 Colt .45's.
I think you're right. I was thinking it was the Turks. I do remember reading about the British nearly getting completely wiped out by the Turks in Gallipoli during WWI.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
I've got to ask.....what's the caliber the Russians are shooting ?
They were in 7.62x54R just like their junky Mosins[;)]
What do you dislike about the mosin nagant family of bolt action rifle variants???
Just curious - I have owned and compared / contrasted most bolt action or straight pull infantry rifles used since 1880 through to the Korean war...
Mike
They are ugly and I think kind of junky. I am not a fan of the cartridge either. JMO0 -
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I have one in spectacular condition...
And technically the nomenclature 1895 is incorrect.
It's a good shooter and very smooth operator
With the bayonet attached it's rather imposing
Back in the day finding stripper clips was difficult
Despite the size and weight she kicks hard when fired
A true 3 line - 3 band infantry model
My wood appears identical to Winchester factory production but is arctic birch and I suspect a very well made replacement
They bring quite a premium at auction these days
Mine still has the imperial czarist proofs and crest and markings
Many were wiped and restamped following the October revolution
I do not have the cleaning kit that fits in the buttstock and I do not have the bayonet scabbard (bayonet is number matched to the receiver) or the sling
A bunch of these ended up in the Spanish the War of Northern Aggression on the communist side - there is some anecdotal evidence that US citizens serving in the Abraham Lincoln brigade were issued these lever guns
An interesting piece for sure.
Mike
You are an encyclopedia. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.0 -
The arctic birch stock is of course stained / impregnated with chromium permanginate - purported to prevent warping and cracking and water infiltration in harsh Russian winter conditions.
Makes refinishing the furniture virtually impossible.
Vintovka vinchestya obr. 1915g
Sight graduated in arshins
Winchester pattern export bayonet
Winchester also produced mosin nagant 1891 rifles (as did a number of American companies)
My rifle is an early production variant and came with the first pattern 10" bayonet which is more knife than sword - after about 5000 units they switched to a 16" commonly encountered variant
There is enough metal in the receiver to build a Volkswagen
Lovely double eagle czarist imperial crest
I have two styles of stripper clips - one made of copper and a bit to malleable and prone to being disformed - one being brass and stouter or heavier in gauge
I have never seen a grenade launcher or blank adapter or wooden bullet deflector or muzzle break for it
No import marks - I was told it came through bannermans in the early castle on the island / buy them by the pound days before import stamp laws
Interesting piece - one of my 10 favorite rifles
Mike0 -
In the origin post - the production figure of 300,000 pieces is in dispute - the Russians claimed to have received approx 299,000 but Winchester factory records indicate approx 269,000 delivered before the revolution
Possibly Burt could provide solid numbers.
Mike0 -
I always thought a lever action had some advantages over a bolt gun, but other than this instance I can't think of another army which used levers. 0 -
I also really like the color photo! Seems more 'real' than all the dingy black and white pictures. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kannoneer
I also really like the color photo! Seems more 'real' than all the dingy black and white pictures.
The down side of the lever action are:
Positive extraction, On Bolt actions the bolt turns and aids in extracting sticky cartridges, this was a short fall of the straight pull guns like the Lee Navy, Ross and Swiss rifles. The lever action doesn't have a turning bolt until the Winchester 88 came along.
Firing in the prone is difficult with a lever action. Operating the lever in the prone requires you to either turn the rifle to the side or lift your body up to work the lever.
Feeding the gun, most lever actions had to be fed one cartridge at a time and could not use stripper clips until the 1895 came along.
I think some Cavalry units used Lever guns, the Turks used them against the Russians and I believe the British and American Navy tried them for use on ships(Where shooting in the prone and reloading is not a big deal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by kannoneer
I also really like the color photo! Seems more 'real' than all the dingy black and white pictures.
The down side of the lever action are:
Positive extraction, On Bolt actions the bolt turns and aids in extracting sticky cartridges, this was a short fall of the straight pull guns like the Lee Navy, Ross and Swiss rifles. The lever action doesn't have a turning bolt until the Winchester 88 came along.
Firing in the prone is difficult with a lever action. Operating the lever in the prone requires you to either turn the rifle to the side or lift your body up to work the lever.
Feeding the gun, most lever actions had to be fed one cartridge at a time and could not use stripper clips until the 1895 came along.
I think some Cavalry units used Lever guns, the Turks used them against the Russians and I believe the British and American Navy tried them for use on ships(Where shooting in the prone and reloading is not a big deal.
not positive, but allways heard the navy was issued levers abourd ship in WWII0 -
quote:not positive, but allways heard the navy was issued levers abourd ship in WWII
They did.
In WW1 the French ordered 15K Winchester 1894 for their troops.
The British ordered 1886's in 45-90 and had a special bullet designed to shoot at balloons.
The Royal navy ordered 20k 1892 Winchesters in 44wcf to free up rifles for the Army. They also bought 5k 1894's in 30wcf.
That is just a few of the Winchester Lever guns. The French, Russian and Turks also tested and used the 1866 Winchester and used them in combat.
I forgot the Spanish war in the 1930's. Stalin showed his capitalist side and sold the Spanish commies thousands of Winchesters in all calibers but he got rid of most of the 1895's he made big money in Spanish Gold for the guns and ammo.0 -
http://www.carygrant.net/fotogallery/destinationtokyo/dt18.jpg
Destination Tokyo
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Here's my 1916 Russian Contract Winchester 1895 rifle which I enjoy shooting on occasion; it's in rather good condition and shoots well for a 102 year old rifle (posted link since I can't figure out how to upload photos; if anyone knows, please let me know).
https://www.shootersforum.com/ex-military-rifles-cartridges/140113-winchester-model-1895-7-62mm-russian-contract-rifle.html0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:Originally posted by Brookwood
Just from looking at this picture I can truly say that War is HELL!
Poison gas along with bullets flying and trying to see through a fogging mask that may or may not be sealed to withstand death!
Sure makes me thankful today that I have never had such an experience in my lifetime.
Those were hard time for sure. Tough guys.
Cannon Fodder,WWI was a meat grinder for all sides. In today's world, it would be unacceptable but possible under a nuclear attack! War is Living Hell brought to you from your respective governments.
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