must vent
I bought a rifle on the auction side and when I got it I thought I had made a pretty good deal. I knew the action needed to be fit into the stock better but the stock was beautiful wood and I had no problem with it then the drama started. This was suppose to be and fire able rifle " Shoots great" well when my gunsmith called I knew it could not be good news. He checked the head space and the go closed the no go closed the field gauge closed this thing was SOOOOOO far off if I had fired it I most likely would not be posting this. My God man why would a seller lie and put a person in danger. Sad I hope the anti gunners are not posting unsafe guns and hoping people will shoot them and get hurt. Ok I have vented and my billfold is a bit lighter. Bottom line get the guns you buy checked out.
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I hope your feedback reflects these inaccuracies. 0 -
Can you post a link to the closed auction? 0 -
I would confirm with the seller when he last fired the rifle. I have a few older 1903s that will close on a no go gauge that 'shoot great', and absent having gauged them would have no reason to think there is anything wrong.
Conversation is important here. A rifle can shoot great when it closes on a no go gauge, and while we would like it if everyone is an expert and has thoroughly inspected and gauged everything they sell, it is extremely na?ve to think that to be the case.
Have you contacted the seller?
What was his response?
I have made 60+(?) purchases here and have yet to run into a seller who lied. Adult conversation is what is needed here, not drama created by a buyer who is assigning motive that very well may not exist.0 -
I can't find the auction so I sent a request to GunBroker I can see the one before and the one after but this one is gone on my search stay tuned to see what GunBroker has to say 0 -
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by elect1mike
I can't find the auction so I sent a request to GunBroker I can see the one before and the one after but this one is gone on my search stay tuned to see what GunBroker has to say
Huh? WTH are you talking about "anti-gunners selling bad guns on the auction side to hurt people"?! That's flipping nuts and truly over-the-top bs! [B)]
Just log-in, go to "My GunBroker" and look at the column on the upper left, under "won". Purchases show for ninety days and don't simply disappear prior to that.
Goes to show that every once in awhile you do make sense... I just wish it was more often[:o)]0 -
I've seen and fired lots of older guns that will close on all three headspace gauges. It is very common in some models of Winchester lever actions. Chances are the seller never had the headspace checked. He fired it, and it worked fine. Where's the misinformation? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by truthful
I've seen and fired lots of older guns that will close on all three headspace gauges. It is very common in some models of Winchester lever actions. Chances are the seller never had the headspace checked. He fired it, and it worked fine. Where's the misinformation?
Truthfully said.0 -
Like Don and Truthful said, the no-go gage is not conclusive. Need more info such as the cartridge and action. Bottleneck, belted, rimmed? Tapered, carts like 303 brit or 30-30 may not take a no-go gage and shoot good.
Did he check with all 3 gauges?
Was it a milsurp?0 -
Don't you get a three day inspection period???? I would contact the seller and try to discuss it with him. Just a thought. I don't know what the situation is on that perspective. Hope you get it resolved. Oak 0 -
quote:Originally posted by elect1mike
Sad I hope the anti gunners are not posting unsafe guns and hoping people will shoot them and get hurt.
Would not surprise me with a 'new bidder' or other anti trying to sell and then tell the fake news media how easy it was to buy a gun online while hurting a real person in the process [just like how tree huggers and anti-loggers drive metal spikes into trees hoping a lumberjack would cut the tree having the spike kick back into his chest].
However for a person with much feedback; I highly doubt it.0 -
I have a Ross straight pull rifle (US property) and the top of the receiver were one might often encounter a crest is stamped "LC"
This nomenclature or proof Mark indicates that an arsenal level large chamber modification has been made which ruins brass but is 100% perfectly safe to shoot
One of my enfield Mark 4 "t" type sniper rifles has been modified this way as well - but still has a number 1 bolt face - it also ruins brass but is perfectly safe to fire
These are both somewhat rare examples but might be of interest
I also would like to see a link to the auction or learn more details - see a more detailed report of findings from your Smith
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Only proper way to check headspace is with a set of gauges,(PTG makes excellent gauges). Remove extractor and check, should close on the go gauge but not the no go. If closes on the no go then headspace should be set correctly. Field gauge is the longest and if closes on this then the rifle is not in acceptable headspace specs and should be considered unsafe to fire.I believe this is what elect1 stated. Seller probably was not aware of this and thought gun was fine, would not know until case rupture or unless you reload and know the signs to look for in case stretching. Case rupture is bad in any firearm. 0 -
I don't wish to belabor the point but I have cited two examples were case rupture or splitting or ringing or necking does not indicate a safety issue
It's not simply my opinion - and I know that both guns cited could be called uncommon / rare
For most cases and scenarios your warning is probably valid but not an absolute
I did not add the data as a means to rip you guys just thought it would be of interest to those involved in the topic
The enfield rifle as a case in point has a bolt face that can be easily swapped out - they have replacements numbered 1-5 - specifically to deal with headspace issues and to extend the safe operation lifetime of the gun via a simple part swap
It's a headspace issue with a simple and easy low cost fix
Again I understand most guns do not allow this but the British enfield is not an uncommon or rare piece
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quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I have a Ross straight pull rifle (US property) and the top of the receiver were one might often encounter a crest is stamped "LC"
This nomenclature or proof Mark indicates that an arsenal level large chamber modification has been made which ruins brass but is 100% perfectly safe to shoot
One of my enfield Mark 4 "t" type sniper rifles has been modified this way as well - but still has a number 1 bolt face - it also ruins brass but is perfectly safe to fire
These are both somewhat rare examples but might be of interest
I also would like to see a link to the auction or learn more details - see a more detailed report of findings from your Smith
Mike
Spot on Mike
I can relate more such instances and especially pertains to military arms and the subsequent sporterization of such.
From what I remember the headspace issue became vogue
because of massive number of MilSurps brought in post WWI and WWII which continues today.
Not all standards are the same in times of war. I have seen many issues and variances with SMLE 303 rifles. Add in the Japanese, Russian, and especially the French Berthier and Lebels. Aside from headspace, I have seen huge variances in bore diameters.0 -
UPDATE GunBroker was no help in finding the auction it just is gone they said they show no record of it I am checking emails to my FFL to see if I sent him the auction number in the mean time I am just going to fix it and learn to always write down auction numbers and have all guns checked before firing 0 -
quote:Originally posted by elect1mike
UPDATE GunBroker was no help in finding the auction it just is gone they said they show no record of it I am checking emails to my FFL to see if I sent him the auction number in the mean time I am just going to fix it and learn to always write down auction numbers and have all guns checked before firing
I am left not understanding.
You contacted GunBroker for an action number before you checked your emails?
If you won an auction, you have an email from GunBroker with the auction number in the subject line.
Even if you deleted it, it would have taken you a couple of minutes to recover it. I'm not going throw the BS flag just yet, but am thinking about putting it in my pocket.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
quote:Originally posted by mrmike08075
I have a Ross straight pull rifle (US property) and the top of the receiver were one might often encounter a crest is stamped "LC"
This nomenclature or proof Mark indicates that an arsenal level large chamber modification has been made which ruins brass but is 100% perfectly safe to shoot
One of my enfield Mark 4 "t" type sniper rifles has been modified this way as well - but still has a number 1 bolt face - it also ruins brass but is perfectly safe to fire
These are both somewhat rare examples but might be of interest
I also would like to see a link to the auction or learn more details - see a more detailed report of findings from your Smith
Mike
Spot on Mike
I can relate more such instances and especially pertains to military arms and the subsequent sporterization of such.
From what I remember the headspace issue became vogue
because of massive number of MilSurps brought in post WWI and WWII which continues today.
Not all standards are the same in times of war. I have seen many issues and variances with SMLE 303 rifles. Add in the Japanese, Russian, and especially the French Berthier and Lebels. Aside from headspace, I have seen huge variances in bore diameters.
Agreed, chiefr.
I would not fire one of the 1941 Johnsons if headspace appeared to be an issue, mainly because I am adverse to wearing the carrier group in my right eye as I try to drive to a hospital.
Not so much concerned about bolt action rifles, as one can feel the the bolt closing as the round is chambered. If it feels like, well throwing a hot dog through the Lincoln tunnel, I would have concerns. Pretty much any resistance (provide the chamber is clean, of course) tells a person that the rifle is locking up in a safe manner. I am not a gunsmith, but own 20 or so WW1 and pre-WW1 rifles, and about the same number of WW2 rifles. Some are looser than others, and some fail the no-go gauge, but all have been safely and successfully fired on multiple occasions.0 -
How long ago did you "win" this auction? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
quote:Originally posted by elect1mike
UPDATE GunBroker was no help in finding the auction it just is gone they said they show no record of it I am checking emails to my FFL to see if I sent him the auction number in the mean time I am just going to fix it and learn to always write down auction numbers and have all guns checked before firing
Update: Bologna [;)]
Why would you say that? I have experience similar on this forum. Under recent posts when clicking on my user name, the "Silver" topic never shows, even when I have just responded.
I had a long discussion about webpages and was troubleshooting by phone. The other person swore it was not showing, and I maintained it had to be.
Well, a screenshot proved me wrong. So depending on what browser and OS a person is using, the newer "secure" web platforms have glitches.
Also, sellers are never mistaken or lie0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by elect1mike
UPDATE GunBroker was no help in finding the auction it just is gone they said they show no record of it I am checking emails to my FFL to see if I sent him the auction number in the mean time I am just going to fix it and learn to always write down auction numbers and have all guns checked before firing
I am left not understanding.
You contacted GunBroker for an action number before you checked your emails?
If you won an auction, you have an email from GunBroker with the auction number in the subject line.
Even if you deleted it, it would have taken you a couple of minutes to recover it. I'm not going throw the BS flag just yet, but am thinking about putting it in my pocket.[:)]
I have had to fish through my email trash to find an item, when it totally disappeared from a major auction site. Maybe with your insight OP will find the auction number and get resolution with seller.
One point I'd like to make. The gunsmith by legal liability MUST say what he does to protect his hide.0 -
What is the make/model of rifle? Lots of speculating going on here when we could have a factually based inquiry and discussion.[:o)][:o)][:o)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
What is the make/model of rifle? Lots of speculating going on here when we could have a factually based inquiry and discussion.[:o)][:o)][:o)]
why go and do that,now????
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Hope you get your rifle in top notch condition,and enjoy it for many years.
I too am curious of the make and model of this rifle.0
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