This dude gots RIGHTS man.
An illegal alien gang member accused of firing a gun on a public sidewalk in the sanctuary city of New York is now claiming that he has Second Amendment rights just like every United States citizen.
Javier Perez, a 28-year-old illegal alien from Mexico, is claiming that he has Second Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution and therefore is being unfairly charged with possession of a gun.
In July 2016, Perez allegedly fired a .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol on a public sidewalk in Brooklyn, New York to fight off a rival street gang, according to the New York Daily News.
If the illegal alien gang member is convicted of firing the pistol, he would receive a maximum sentence of ten years and would likely be deported from the U.S., as the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials say they will take Perez into custody should he be released.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/02/illegal-alien-gang-member-fires-gun-on-sidewalk-claims-2nd-amendment-rights/
Javier Perez, a 28-year-old illegal alien from Mexico, is claiming that he has Second Amendment rights under the U.S. Constitution and therefore is being unfairly charged with possession of a gun.
In July 2016, Perez allegedly fired a .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol on a public sidewalk in Brooklyn, New York to fight off a rival street gang, according to the New York Daily News.
If the illegal alien gang member is convicted of firing the pistol, he would receive a maximum sentence of ten years and would likely be deported from the U.S., as the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials say they will take Perez into custody should he be released.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/08/02/illegal-alien-gang-member-fires-gun-on-sidewalk-claims-2nd-amendment-rights/
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Rights of non-citizens is a tricky subject. Various judges, including the supreme court have ruled variously over the years. Probably the most notable case was the SCOTUS ruling on Boumediene v. Bush which was deciding on whether detainees at GITMO had habeus corpus, and agreed they did. So they do have some rights.
Personally, it seems that even though every human on earth is endowed with certain rights the US gov't would only be restricted regarding them in relation to its citizens. I guess some folks view it different, though I don't see how.0 -
well some numbers..in 2017 almost 12 MILLION fled from violence and another 19 MILLION were uprooted by bad weather and natural disasters ...and all these REMAINED in their own country...also add 2016 figures of 22.5 MILLION refugees who crossed country lines...AMERICA cannot pay for nor provide for the worlds millions affected by natural, political, or economic difficulties....our country's borders MUST remain sacred and guarded and our country must remain strong and capable of helping others on a VOLUNTARY basis.... 0 -
Anybody else would go to jail. Want to bet they let him off or just deport him and he will be back in the USA before the Officer can make it to their homes. 0 -
cumo says ahh shucks its all right[;)] 0 -
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Perchance did you miss the part where he is a GANG MEMBER. I don't give two hoots in hell about him, he is illegally here. He is not a citizen and does NOT deserve the protections afforded to Citizens under our Constitution.
Put him in prison for 5-10 then deport his alien ass back to the sewer Country from whence he crawled.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Perchance did you miss the part where he is a GANG MEMBER. I don't give two hoots in hell about him, he is illegally here. He is not a citizen and does NOT deserve the protections afforded to Citizens under our Constitution.
Put him in prison for 5-10 then deport his alien ass back to the sewer Country from whence he crawled.
No. I didn't miss that part. He may very well deserve prison for any number of things.
Do you believe the individual right to be armed is a man given right?0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by bpost
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Perchance did you miss the part where he is a GANG MEMBER. I don't give two hoots in hell about him, he is illegally here. He is not a citizen and does NOT deserve the protections afforded to Citizens under our Constitution.
Put him in prison for 5-10 then deport his alien ass back to the sewer Country from whence he crawled.
No. I didn't miss that part. He may very well deserve prison for any number of things.
Do you believe the individual right to be armed is a man given right?
It is indeed a natural right from God not man.
But, his actions of coming to our nation was illegal therefore he gave up that right at the border as a criminal illegal gang member. He was not defending himself in the altruistic sense. He was gang banging. The cost of this morass would have been avoided if someone had caved his skull in with an anvil, a much preferable outcome to his arrest and jail where we are picking up the tab for not having a secure border.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Natural rights do not disappear and reappear when a person crosses a border. What does happen when a person crosses a border, is the rights they possess are either allowed to be infringed by the local government or they are not.0 -
NY threw the US Constitution out the window years ago, after all they are know-it-all Yankees what did that Jefferson and Madison think they were writing, anyway?
You DO NOT have a right to have a firearm in the Big Apple and the lawyer who got this nitwit to make this case in court ought to have his law license revoked.
Hell even pro football players are not exempt, remember that case 5 years ago a starting Djibouti flanker for the Giants lit off his semi auto in a NY nightclub and hit himself in the leg. Dumb ass with millions for defense and the best lawyers SERVED 2 years in jail.
Jose is screwed.0 -
we have borders to keep illegal aliens out, and we have laws to deter criminals within our borders.
yes we should recognize his "God-given" right to defend himself. no matter where he came from, illegal or not.
but, it doesn't matter if he is an illegal alien or not, breaking the law is breaking the law. if he does something in New York that is illegal in New York, he should be charged with the crime.
the right to bear arms is another matter, anyway they in New York should be able to prosecute what they call crimes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Natural rights do not disappear and reappear when a person crosses a border. What does happen when a person crosses a border, is the rights they possess are either allowed to be infringed by the local government or they are not.
So then when same criminal breaks through the door he has the natural right to kill you if you try to stop him?
I don't expect you to answer. I have learned long ago of the liberal tap dance vs being honest. But by all means, put that hobo mark on your mailbox and welcome in all the freeloaders and troublemakers you can stand. That is YOUR natural right.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Really Mag? That's your comparison?0 -
"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
That seems pretty straight forward. Discharging a firearm on a public street is a whole different issue.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Really Mag? That's your comparison?
Yes, my house has boundaries and my country has boundaries.
Please explain to me any difference.
The collective "People" live in the boundaries of the USA, which is OUR house, not the illegals.
And this definition of "people" applies to the 2nd. It does not apply to illegals. Just like I'm pretty sure stand your ground don't apply to burglars.0 -
He knowingly entered this Country ILLEGALLY. He is a Criminal. His being a "Gang Banger" doubles down on that fact. GTF back to your own Country if you want to do that Sheeit. He gave up any Rights he may have had, (certainly the Right to own, possess, and use a firearm) in my opinion. The American Constitution applies ONLY (In my opinion.) to American Citizens.
If you are okay with an Illegal (A Criminal) and a Gang Banger having, possessing, using a gun due to his "Inalienable Right to own a gun," Well then our opinions will differ.
F' him. Lock his A$$ up, Hard Labor/Chain Gang. (Hey, you wanted to be in a Gang, right?) No easy time. No sympathy here.0 -
Send him to Calif or Chicago nd he will fit right in.[;)] 0 -
I was thinking San Francisco if not definitely West coast. Good to see New York's letting fools taking some stories that would've been West Coast [:D]. 0 -
BARZ will enlighten us soon. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Natural rights do not disappear and reappear when a person crosses a border. What does happen when a person crosses a border, is the rights they possess are either allowed to be infringed by the local government or they are not.
So then when same criminal breaks through the door he has the natural right to kill you if you try to stop him?
I don't expect you to answer. I have learned long ago of the liberal tap dance vs being honest. But by all means, put that hobo mark on your mailbox and welcome in all the freeloaders and troublemakers you can stand. That is YOUR natural right.
You're loony if that was your take away.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by SCOUT5
He may be absolute scum and undeserving of being on American soil. However every individual has a natural right to self preservation, which includes arming them self and using those arms for self defense.
If he otherwise needs prosecution, deportation, or both, then do it. But I agree with him on the matter of having a natural right to be armed.
Any chance you can direct us to where that is written in law of the USA?
He has a natural right to be armed in his own country, he has no rights in the USA. Not even a right to a fair and speedy trial.
Membership does have its perks.
But I suppose you think that if a burglar breaks into your house, and shoots you when you try to evict him, he has the right to kill you. It is his natural right to defend himself by your own admission.
Natural rights do not disappear and reappear when a person crosses a border. What does happen when a person crosses a border, is the rights they possess are either allowed to be infringed by the local government or they are not.
So then when same criminal breaks through the door he has the natural right to kill you if you try to stop him?
I don't expect you to answer. I have learned long ago of the liberal tap dance vs being honest. But by all means, put that hobo mark on your mailbox and welcome in all the freeloaders and troublemakers you can stand. That is YOUR natural right.
You're loony if that was your take away.
I may be loony but do you agree or disagree. By your logic, I'm right in my loony tunes reply. Your position looks rather silly when you give it a little thought, eh?0
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