New Gas refrigerant R1234yf in Auto's
Here we go again with new crap being push on us. It's flammable and costly which is another reason to shun this new refrigerant when buying a new car!
serf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51297e5de4b01fa6748bc904/t/5b5782b56d2a73c04df19c1e/1532461752033/auto-gas-wall-chart.pdf in
R1234yf is classified as A2L mildly flammable. Technicians need to take the relevant safety measures for the correcttransport,storage and handling of a flammable gas.
This would include, but is not limited to, ensuring no open flames (including smoking) near the system. It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk.
serf
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/51297e5de4b01fa6748bc904/t/5b5782b56d2a73c04df19c1e/1532461752033/auto-gas-wall-chart.pdf in
R1234yf is classified as A2L mildly flammable. Technicians need to take the relevant safety measures for the correcttransport,storage and handling of a flammable gas.
This would include, but is not limited to, ensuring no open flames (including smoking) near the system. It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk.
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quote:Originally posted by jim_lemay
Link is to Australian Regulatory website?
It's a small world for international corporations so then it applies to all new vehicles in the world who buys their products. I would imagine The PDF file posted is relevant across the globe for international trade.
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OH NO, THEY'RE PUTTING SOMETHING INTO CARS THAT CAN BURN??? (mildly)
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NOOOoooo!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
OH NO, THEY'RE PUTTING SOMETHING INTO CARS THAT CAN BURN??? (mildly)
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NOOOoooo!!!
[:D][:D] It's like the argument against hydrogen fuel cells.0 -
"It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk."
This holds true for past, and current refrigerants as well. Check out phosgene gas sometime when you're not worrying about the next conspiracy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
"It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk."
This holds true for past, and current refrigerants as well. Check out phosgene gas sometime when you're not worrying about the next conspiracy.
It's true for most if not every liquid a vehicle has in it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
"It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk."
This holds true for past, and current refrigerants as well. Check out phosgene gas sometime when you're not worrying about the next conspiracy.
Yet it's under high pressure and burns so I am thinking blow torch effect.
serf
http://www.ictworkshopsolutions.com/2012/12/r-1234yf-will-it-catch-on-or-will-it-catch-fire/
The Environmental Protection Agency, European regulators, and other national authorities reviewed and cleared the new refrigerant for safe use.
But one week later, Daimler issued a surprise announcement that it was abandoning 1234yf and reverting to 134a, because the company had performed simulations of a specific scenario: Simulating a leak in the air-conditioning line of a Mercedes B-Class, they had released a fine mixture of refrigerant and A/C compressor oil, which sprayed across the car?s turbo-charged 1.6 litre engine.
The substance caught fire as soon as it hit the hot surface, releasing a toxic, corrosive gas as it burned. The car?s windscreen turned milky white as lethal hydrogen fluoride began eating its way into the glass.
?Whereas carbon monoxide does no permanent tissue damage and during a fire rises straight into the atmosphere, HF binds with ambient moisture to form very fine droplets of hydrofluoric acid that can remain suspended in the air.
Readily absorbed by the skin, hydrogen fluoride begins attacking the body once it enters the bloodstream by killing cells one-by-one, a process known as necrosis. High enough doses are known to cause the lungs to fill up with fluid, causing a drowning sensation, and to trigger cardiac arrest.
According to the US Labour Department?s Occupation Safety and Health Administration, workers should not be exposed over an eight-hour period to more than three milligrams of hydrogen fluoride per cubic metre of air, or three parts per million. Permissible levels for hydrogen cyanide ? used by the Nazis in gas chambers ? are over three times as high.0 -
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
"It is also worth noting that highly toxic substances are created when
this gas is burnt. Asphyxiation and freeze burns are also a risk."
This holds true for past, and current refrigerants as well. Check out phosgene gas sometime when you're not worrying about the next conspiracy.
I worked in a Kansas State boiler plant. It was in the sub-basement of the State office building. When I started there I asked where their MSDS records were. They told that they didn't have to abide by OSHA standards and there was nothing there that would hurt me. They had three big chillers cooled with Freon and I asked them the same question about phosgene gas.
They also had no emergency lights or exit signs. When I left after seven years they had MSDSs on everything in all the trades areas and exit signs and emergency lights.
I had worked for DuPont previously and had safety beaten into me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
Yeah Chrysler the eighth in line of being the leader in the world of auto manufacturing. If they went bankrupt I doubt anybody would notice.
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quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
Yeah Chrysler the eighth in line of being the leader in the world of auto manufacturing. If they went bankrupt I doubt anybody would notice.
serf
I don't understand what you mean by that.0 -
I think we have been using R 123 in chiller units for a good while.Must have been about the time we put refrigerant leak evacuation alarms in. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
Yeah Chrysler the eighth in line of being the leader in the world of auto manufacturing. If they went bankrupt I doubt anybody would notice.
serf
I don't understand what you mean by that.
You just put him in a whole different dimension by asking that question!0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
Yeah Chrysler the eighth in line of being the leader in the world of auto manufacturing. If they went bankrupt I doubt anybody would notice.
serf
I don't understand what you mean by that.
You just put him in a whole different dimension by asking that question!
Chrysler is dying on the vine,their autos are mostly junk in my opinion. Now back in the day when they had a slant six or 383 they were much better in my opinion. I own a 5.9 diesel dodge truck and it's a great vehicle but they can't make vehicles like that anymore.The EPA is why.
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quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
Yeah Chrysler the eighth in line of being the leader in the world of auto manufacturing. If they went bankrupt I doubt anybody would notice.
serf
I don't understand what you mean by that.
You just put him in a whole different dimension by asking that question!
Chrysler is dying on the vine,their autos are mostly junk in my opinion. Now back in the day when they had a slant six or 383 they were much better in my opinion. I own a 5.9 diesel dodge truck and it's a great vehicle but they can't make vehicles like that anymore.The EPA is why.
serf
So a top ten Globally auto manufacture is dying? Because the EPA? I will take a current V6 over a slant six or 383 any day of the week. Virtually every modern engine goes 200,000+ miles with basic maintenance. Plus have far more power and get better mileage. Cant say that for engines 40-50 years ago.0 -
You can thank Al Gore again.
Here is a link if you want to buy a dose of the Freon.
https://www.amazon.com/HFO-1234YF-Case-Cans-8-Ounce-each/dp/B01M3YQ8Z9/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1532640604&sr=8-5&keywords=1234yf
And cows are the main source of green house gas.
Looks like another politician (maybe Al darling) is investing in this Freon.0 -
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
That would explain why the new Dodge I test drove had crap a/c
Why not just use propane if you are going flammable?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Okie743
You can thank Al Gore again.
Here is a link if you want to buy a dose of the Freon.
https://www.amazon.com/HFO-1234YF-Case-Cans-8-Ounce-each/dp/B01M3YQ8Z9/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1532640604&sr=8-5&keywords=1234yf
And cows are the main source of green house gas.
Looks like another politician (maybe Al darling) is investing in this Freon.
What just 40 dollars a can? Wait until they start this electrical vehicle revolution here in The USA.I bet one kilowatt will cost .30 cents then and if your house needs 3000 of them plus your vehicle it will cost you 1200.00 dollars a month! What a joke !
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Can't wait to see if the system will run on propane. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by Okie743
You can thank Al Gore again.
Here is a link if you want to buy a dose of the Freon.
https://www.amazon.com/HFO-1234YF-Case-Cans-8-Ounce-each/dp/B01M3YQ8Z9/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1532640604&sr=8-5&keywords=1234yf
And cows are the main source of green house gas.
Looks like another politician (maybe Al darling) is investing in this Freon.
What just 40 dollars a can? Wait until they start this electrical vehicle revolution here in The USA.I bet one kilowatt will cost .30 cents then and if your house needs 3000 of them plus your vehicle it will cost you 1200.00 dollars a month! What a joke !
serf
That is a 8 oz can.
I've heard rumors of some new vec's that use a Freon that uses more expensive Freon than this. Might even be $1200-$1500 just for A/C service if the A/C requires recovery and refill, if the vec requires the Freon removal before body shop repairs can be done.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mag00
quote:Originally posted by redneckandy
You are a little late to the party. Chrysler starting using this back in 2014.
That would explain why the new Dodge I test drove had crap a/c
Why not just use propane if you are going flammable?
It has not be approved by the EPA, (Al Gore apparently does not get a kick-back on propane)
Surely their is a nicer political word instead of using the word kickback????Just cannot think of it at the moment.0
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