When will Mueller and all his BS go down...
Please let the country go on with what matters...
Put these rablerousers like Mueller in jail and let the president run the country as he should.
Put these rablerousers like Mueller in jail and let the president run the country as he should.
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imo they had to go through midterms to try to get the tables turned. Didn't quite turn out like the liars and crooks liked so the media keeps the sheep grazing with their daily swill. Coney has proven to me he is a liar, cheat and traitor- The thick slime runs deep in all the agencies, top to bottom- 0 -
I?m afraid things are going to get much worse. The dems don?t want solutions to the country?s problems,this wouldn?t serve their purpose which is to create as much chaos as possible. They will continue to lie and the media will spread those lies. Our president as well as our country has a hard two years ahead I fear. 0 -
Mueller and his buddies will wind up in jail. 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by wpage
Mueller and his buddies will wind up in jail.
I sure hope you're right.0 -
When all the BS shakes out. The Dems and Mueller and the commies will get locked up or shut down and our country and get back to doing what needs be done. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by savage170
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quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
I?m afraid things are going to get much worse. The dems don?t want solutions to the country?s problems,this wouldn?t serve their purpose which is to create as much chaos as possible. They will continue to lie and the media will spread those lies. Our president as well as our country has a hard two years ahead I fear.
Yes, and all on the tax payers dime. All that money spent so far could have at least installed a few mile of border fence!0 -
Bar. Article 2-section3 paragraph 6
This does not include anyone person named Clinton or Obarry. Those people are exempt under ruling XYZ-0 -
quote:Originally posted by wpage
When all the BS shakes out. The Dems and Mueller and the commies will get locked up or shut down and our country and get back to doing what needs be done.
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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
52 U.S. Code ? 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for?
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make?
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) ?Foreign national? defined As used in this section, the term ?foreign national? means?
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term ?foreign national? shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92?225, title III, ?#8239;319, formerly ?#8239;324, as added Pub. L. 94?283, title I, ?#8239;112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493; renumbered ?#8239;319, Pub. L. 96?187, title I, ?#8239;105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354; amended Pub. L. 107?155, title III, ??#8239;303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96, 109.)
exactly we are a Republic but some think they do not have to read or follow the law0 -
Mueller is following the Ken Starr model.
It is the evil that happens when one legislates a sledge hammer to push in a thumb tack.
Mueller is hell-bent upon finding something that will stick to Trump. With Cohen, the cheap coating on Teflon Don is showing signs of wear, and those with an agenda to damage our President have been given a significant life ring.
The simple fact is that those that voted for Trump knew he had skeletons in his closet, but did not care. While I would prefer a president who internalized a reasonable high personal moral code, we all knew that Trump was and is not that person.
The attempt to bring him down for flaws that were known prior to his election is little more than sour grapes and is damaging our efforts as a nation to engage internationally. Why, for example, would foreign leaders engage honestly with an administration that is continually being sabotaged by operatives within its own borders?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
52 U.S. Code ? 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
(a) Prohibition It shall be unlawful for?
(1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make?
(A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election;
(B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or
(C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or
(2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national.
(b) ?Foreign national? defined As used in this section, the term ?foreign national? means?
(1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term ?foreign national? shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or
(2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 1101(a)(22) of title 8) and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined by section 1101(a)(20) of title 8.
(Pub. L. 92?225, title III, ?#8239;319, formerly ?#8239;324, as added Pub. L. 94?283, title I, ?#8239;112(2), May 11, 1976, 90 Stat. 493; renumbered ?#8239;319, Pub. L. 96?187, title I, ?#8239;105(5), Jan. 8, 1980, 93 Stat. 1354; amended Pub. L. 107?155, title III, ??#8239;303, 317, Mar. 27, 2002, 116 Stat. 96, 109.)
RE: The matter of Hillary Clinton and her crime family.
This intellectual and legal research exercise should commence with a brief review of the basics of criminal jurisprudence: There are two elements of a criminal offense: the prohibited conduct as defined in statute; and the mens rea or mental intent of the individual or individuals engaging in the prohibited conduct. Thus, to gain a conviction on a criminal count in an indictment, a prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that: (1) the prohibited conduct occurred, (2) the prohibited conduct was undertaken by the defendant, and (3) the defendant had the requisite mens rea or intent at the time.
1.) 18 U.S. Code ? 793 ? Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
18 U.S. Code ? 798 ? Disclosure of classified information
A federal prosecutor would naturally focus first on the most serious allegations: willfully transmitting or willfully retaining Top Secret and Compartmented (TS/SCI) material using a private server system. The individual who transmits and the individual who receives and retains TS/SCI information on a private server jointly share the culpability for risking the compromise and exploitation of the information by hostile intelligence services. The prosecutor?s charging document would likely include felony counts under 18 U.S. Code ? 793 and under 18 U.S. Code ? 798 against each transmitting individual as well as separate counts against each receiving and retaining individual. Violation of either provision of the U.S. Code cited above is a felony with a maximum prison term of ten years.
The prohibited conduct is the insecure transmission of highly classified information, as well as the receipt and retention of highly classified information in an unapproved manner. The requisite mens rea is the willful commission of the prohibited conduct and the knowledge that compromised information could result in prejudice or injury to the United States or advantage to any foreign nation. Proof of intent to disclose the classified information is not required.
2.) U.S. Code ? 1924 ? Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material
If the federal prosecutors are of a charitable disposition and an accused person has been cooperative, the felony charges under 18 U.S. Code ? 793 and 18 U.S. Code ? 798 may be ?pled-down? to a single or to multiple misdemeanor counts under 18 U.S. Code ? 1924. A misdemeanor conviction would probably result in a period of probation and a less significant fine. The prohibited conduct is the unauthorized removal of classified information from government control or its retention in an unauthorized location. The mens rea required is the intent to remove from government control or the intent to store the classified information in an unauthorized location.
3.) 18 U.S. Code ? 2071(b) ? Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
To sustain a charge under 18 U.S. Code ? 2071(b), a federal prosecutor need only prove that the accused transferred and held the only copies of official government records (whether classified or not), the very existence of which was concealed from government records custodians. The mens rea required is that an accused knows that official government records were transferred or removed from the control of government records custodians. Violation of 18 U.S. Code ? 2071(b) is a felony with a maximum prison term of three years.
4.) 18 U.S. Code ? 641 ? Public money, property or records
Again, if the federal prosecutors are of a charitable disposition and accused has been cooperative, the felony charges under 18 U.S. Code ? 2071(b) can be ?pled down? to a misdemeanor under 18 U.S. Code ? 641. The prohibited conduct is the conversion of official records (whether classified or not) to the accused?s exclusive use and the mens rea is simply the intent to do so. Conviction on the lesser misdemeanor charge would likely result in a period of probation and the imposition of a fine.
5.) 18 U.S. Code ? 1505 ? Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
If it can be proven that an accused destroyed, withheld, or concealed the existence of official records being sought under subpoena by a committee of Congress, the accused can be convicted of obstruction under 18 U.S. Code ? 1505. The prohibited conduct includes destruction, concealment and withholding of documents, thereby impeding or obstructing the committee?s rightful pursuit of information. The mens rea is knowledge of the committee?s interest in obtaining the official records in the accused?s custody or control. Violation of 18 U.S. Code ? 1505 is a felony with a maximum prison term of five years.
6.) 18 U.S. Code ? 1519 ? Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in federal investigations
If it can be proven that an accused knowingly concealed the existence of official records being sought by the Department of State Inspector General (DOS/IG) or by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), such accused can be convicted of obstruction. The prohibited conduct is the concealment and withholding of documents that impede or obstruct an investigation. The mens rea is the intent to conceal or withhold. Violation of 18 U.S. Code ? 1519 is a felony with a maximum prison term of twenty years.
7.) 18 U.S. Code ? 1031 ? Fraud against the United States
18 U.S. Code ? 1343 ? Fraud by wire, radio or television
18 U.S. Code ? 1346 ? Definition of ?scheme or artifice to defraud?
18 U.S. Code ? 371 ? Conspiracy to defraud the United States
If it can be proven that an accused arranged for the Department of State to hire an Information Technology (IT) specialist to primarily administer and maintain a private server system owned by the accused, then the accused can be convicted of conspiracy to commit honest services fraud and probably wire fraud. The prohibited conduct is having the United States pay an employee salary and/or official travel funds for performing private services on behalf of accused. The mens rea is simply the knowledge of the employee?s status as a public servant and that the government was not fully reimbursed for the costs to the government of such services. The wire fraud conviction can be sought if it can be proven that accused used electronic means of communication in undertaking such scheme or artifice to defraud.
8.) 18 U.S. Code ? 371 ? Conspiracy to commit a federal offense
If any accused and any third party can be proven to have colluded in any violation of federal, criminal law, then all involved can be charged with criminal conspiracy as well as being charged with the underlying offense.
Indictment?
The old adage, that a good prosecutor can get a ham sandwich indicted, is bad news for any public servant who risks the compromise of classified information or otherwise violates any of the other federal criminal statutes listed above. Specifically, this Administration has a history of vigorously prosecuting and winning convictions in the mishandling of classified information and other criminal violations of the public trust.
However, Hillary Clinton is anything but a ham sandwich; and she knows it. She and her senior aides will not even be formally investigated by this Justice Department, much less indicted. The president will allow Hillary Clinton and her aides to ?tough it out? for as long it is politically possible. However, if and when the political and public opinion costs of a ?tough it out? tactic become too great, President Obama will simply use that famous pen of his to issue a succinct pardon and make formal mockery of the concept of equal justice.
MORE:::::::::::::::
https://observer.com/2015/08/the-countless-crimes-of-hillary-clinton-special-prosecutor-needed-now/
Character is indeed destiny, unless you are part of the Deep State or follow the agenda of the left.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Mueller is following the Ken Starr model.
It is the evil that happens when one legislates a sledge hammer to push in a thumb tack.
Mueller is hell-bent upon finding something that will stick to Trump. With Cohen, the cheap coating on Teflon Don is showing signs of wear, and those with an agenda to damage our President have been given a significant life ring.
The simple fact is that those that voted for Trump knew he had skeletons in his closet, but did not care. While I would prefer a president who internalized a reasonable high personal moral code, we all knew that Trump was and is not that person.
The attempt to bring him down for flaws that were known prior to his election is little more than sour grapes and is damaging our efforts as a nation to engage internationally. Why, for example, would foreign leaders engage honestly with an administration that is continually being sabotaged by operatives within its own borders?
How is it that you know so much about Mueller ?
And the information that he has ?
Speculation based upon his observed path.
Strong arming folks who may know something through perjury traps and pursuing irregularities and crimes not associated with the primary reason for his existence as a special counsel.
If he has information that directly implicate the President, it is well past time to move on it. The fact that he has not suggests that any direct link he has is tenuous at best and not actionable. It has been over a year and a half since he was chartered. Way past time to put up or shut up, just as Ken Starr should have done when it became apparent that he was not going to nail the Clintons regarding Whitewater.0 -
she lost because she was not honest and broke the law also 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Mueller is following the Ken Starr model.
It is the evil that happens when one legislates a sledge hammer to push in a thumb tack.
Mueller is hell-bent upon finding something that will stick to Trump. With Cohen, the cheap coating on Teflon Don is showing signs of wear, and those with an agenda to damage our President have been given a significant life ring.
The simple fact is that those that voted for Trump knew he had skeletons in his closet, but did not care. While I would prefer a president who internalized a reasonable high personal moral code, we all knew that Trump was and is not that person.
The attempt to bring him down for flaws that were known prior to his election is little more than sour grapes and is damaging our efforts as a nation to engage internationally. Why, for example, would foreign leaders engage honestly with an administration that is continually being sabotaged by operatives within its own borders?
How is it that you know so much about Mueller ?
And the information that he has ?
Speculation based upon his observed path.
Strong arming folks who may know something through perjury traps and pursuing irregularities and crimes not associated with the primary reason for his existence as a special counsel.
If he has information that directly implicate the President, it is well past time to move on it. The fact that he has not suggests that any direct link he has is tenuous at best and not actionable. It has been over a year and a half since he was chartered. Way past time to put up or shut up, just as Ken Starr should have done when it became apparent that he was not going to nail the Clintons regarding Whitewater.
Speculation it is, indeed.
Even the claims that you seem to be using as a basis for your speculative conclusions, are in themselves, speculations.
"If he has information that directly implicate the President, it is well past time to move on it. The fact that he has not suggests that any direct link he has is tenuous at best and not actionable." is really a fairly specious claim, as if he had leaked anything before the final conclusions of his investigation are made or released, I think that you would be lambasting him for that as well. That is the only "fact" regarding your claim.
As far as pursuing other crimes not associated with his charter as a Special Counsel, you seem to be unaware of the actual referrals to SDNY for things not specific to his authority.
A very strange approach for you to be taking, overall.
I am puzzled by that.
You will notice I specifically mentioned how the Cohen (SDNY) situation may stick.
It does not, however, have anything to do with the original presumed goal of the Mueller probe; a connection between Trump and a Russian effort to thwart the will of the people.
If this investigation, like Whitewater, moves to nothing more than a sex scandal, it has been and is a waste of time, as (as was previously mentioned) those that voted for him knew he was a horn-dog when they cast their vote.0 -
Our tax payments to the FBI are for investigation in the public interest. Not the politic of a certain agenda. While unsolved murders and crimes against the people are ignored. Mueller and his crew misuse powers and responsibilities. At the expense of the people.
Qualified judges will cut thru the mess created by lawyers and sick minded politicians. Soon, so the country can stop the madness. Such as witnessed by the recent supreme court debacle.0 -
And The Band, plays on................................................
If Hillary did not get Prosecuted for Her misdeeds, (Not the mention her husband.) where do the Dems, get off on the current Status Quo??
Double Standard?
No........................................of course not.0 -
will it take civil disobedience and/or force of arms to stop this runamuck judicial system and justice exempt govt ????? 0 -
i am sick and tired of this so called investigation....grab anyone and promise them some eay time if they rat out anyone so they can keep on "investigating" ...past BS now..... 0
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