Do you support background checks at gun shows?
I don't know why Wayne had such a problem with the question. I would have made it simple for the Senator.
Should have replied NRA supports background checks for all sales going through a licensed dealer. Private sales are regulated by the states. We support the States that want to allow private sales and we also support the States that want to regulate them.
I'd take your question up with the State legislatures Senator. We don't believe Federal laws that violate the constitution should be the end all game plan if the states want to take over that area of regulation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSH-zgt0n3w
Should have replied NRA supports background checks for all sales going through a licensed dealer. Private sales are regulated by the states. We support the States that want to allow private sales and we also support the States that want to regulate them.
I'd take your question up with the State legislatures Senator. We don't believe Federal laws that violate the constitution should be the end all game plan if the states want to take over that area of regulation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSH-zgt0n3w
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On a related note aswell the ATF should be required to destroy their records at the end of each month to prevent possible abuse of the background check. With all fairness too the Lautenberg amendment and violence against women act literally give women the legislation necessary to eviscerate their husbands and the potential for abuse is high. Statistically men normally don't even report abuse they've suffered. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
OK, let's make it more interesting: Tulsa show a non-ffl seller is offering me a Walther, not C&R. He is not from Oklahoma, nor am I. I did not buy it.
Gunshow loophole?
OK to buy?
Is the Walther a handgun? Lets assume it is. If you have an FFL you can buy it. Or you can have the seller legally transfer it to an FFL in your state and you can buy it there from the FFL. Any other transfer from 2 private parties out of their states is a crime. I have heard it happens in Tulsa and other gun shows, and it is a serious Federal crime, not really a loophole.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rong
No, but I support, in depth background checks for Senators.
How about background checks for presidents???0 -
I'm against background checks, period. They only inconvenience the law-abiding, they don't work for the most part but, most importantly, why do I need a background check to exercise a my 2nd Amendment right, essentially my rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I don't need a background check to exercise my right of free speech but words have started wars. I don't need one to exercise my religion though more people have died in the course of human history in the name of one God or another that from any other cause. I don't need one to peaceably assemble or petition the government. I certainly don't need one to be given due process or to invoke my 5th Amendment rights.
Freedom isn't free. When we are truly free, sometimes bad people can abuse that liberty and do bad things. Franklin said it best, and I paraphrase, when we give up essential rights to purchase a little temporary security, we deserve neither.0 -
A lot of this is moot anyways. Private sales are unenforceable. I don't plan on committing armed robbery... So the odds of me being stopped and detained with an illegal firearm are low.
I believe private sales shouldn't be subject to mandatory background checks. I'm Ok with dealer sales being subject to checks so long as the ATF isn't collecting data on who is buying what. Also Ok as long as checks are quick and don't burden the buyer. A quick phone call is sufficient.
Prosecute those who attempt buying guns that criminals.0 -
The only reason to identify the firearm on a background check is back door registration. All you should have to do is run the check on the guy to see if he is ok. Keep the background check with your records on the gun and it's sale and the seller can keep it can keep it also. If there is ever a problem with the gun, you have the proof that you sold it to so and so and he passed a background check reference #xxxxxx on that date. Most people do not know or care that federal law now and has for years required individuals to keep record of every private gun sale for 10 years. I do. I need to be able to tell the powers that be if a gun is ever traced to me that I sold it to Joe Smith on a particualr date and to go talk to him. It is called CYA. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
The only reason to identify the firearm on a background check is back door registration. All you should have to do is run the check on the guy to see if he is ok. Keep the background check with your records on the gun and it's sale and the seller can keep it can keep it also. If there is ever a problem with the gun, you have the proof that you sold it to so and so and he passed a background check reference #xxxxxx on that date. Most people do not know or care that federal law now and has for years required individuals to keep record of every private gun sale for 10 years. I do. I need to be able to tell the powers that be if a gun is ever traced to me that I sold it to Joe Smith on a particualr date and to go talk to him. It is called CYA.
Can you give a link that requires private citizens to keep record of firearms sales for ten years? I'll admit I don't know all of the federal firearms laws, but never heard of that one.0 -
quote:Originally posted by torosapo
Can you give a link that requires private citizens to keep record of firearms sales for ten years?
I would like to read that LAW as well.
Please provide the U.S.C. for that.0 -
I was surprised that some bad guys try to buy guns "legally". I strongly doubt the numbers ar emore than a small fraction of what the anti-gunners claim. Just the same, making the system acceptable to me is likely not possible because people care more about getting their way than about solving a problem.
What would make Background Checks acceptable to me - -
1. No holding onto info about people that pass. That info shall last no longer than required to complete the sale.
2. All cases of a prohibited person trying to buy a gun shall result in a 911 dispatch to investigate. All cases found to be criminal must be prosecuted.
3. Open the system up for all Citizens to use it online or over the phone.
3. Non-government oversight of the system to make certain no records of private gun buys are maintained. The NRA, GOA, SAF or others to provide computer experts and accounting specialists. They shall have the authority to walk unscheduled into any ATF or FBI facility and inspect records, destroy records at will.
4. Cost of the Background Check system goes entirely on the Taxpayers. No hit to gun buyers or sellers. As a Constitutionally protected Right, any regulatory cost is an infringement.0 -
The only way to make UBC system work is for universal registration.
The criminals will still get guns without checks, they will not register their guns, they are by definition law breakers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by andrewsw16
An alternative would be to open the NICS system to FREE use by the general PUBLIC as a web site. Even as an optional use system, I think a lot of sellers in a FTF deal would make use of it.
This option would exclude the critical component of registration of all firearms which is of course the true intent of all such Uni-Back scams.0 -
I beleive NICS background info is to be purged from their records within like 72 hours of the request for a background check........but EXACTLY WHO CHECKS TO SEE IT HAPPENS???
I think it should be purged as soon as the phone is hung up. I beleive they are kept a lot longer than they are supposed to.0 -
Please read and FWD!!
The Gun Battle Is Just Starting !!
Now we can see why this information You kind of wonder why this information
never makes the papers or TV news.....
Read this very carefully....
The "most popular" part of the proposed Senate gun control bill (background
checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone
knew and will have significant unintended consequences.
There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a
chance to consider its contents.
Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These
are not irresponsible exaggerations.
Please take a moment to review the
requirements of the bill.
Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:
EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a
transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED
A FEDERAL CRIME.
1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already
open (and will not close before he returns it)
3. He cannot travel with the
firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where
hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line.
He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the
shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then
drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario,
YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE
COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL
BE FORFEITED
AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.
EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves
your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of
possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying
the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.
Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires
a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a
friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded,
locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.
Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered
a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which
can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR
WEAPON.
In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime
and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations.
EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons
trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a
terrorist arms dealer.
EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine
scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons
and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.
Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but
the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.
Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above
that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the
confiscation of your weapons and other property.
A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See
Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:
Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them
how you feel about this.
Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in
Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the
door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine
activities.
Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.
If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that
exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce
these restrictions.
We all need to read and control this bill and prevent it from becoming law!
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.0 -
No. I believe we should go back to the Second Admendment being our ONLY control on buying any kind of weapon. 0
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