What else can be done to stop the AWB?
I wrote many reps and my own. I did the Ruger thing. What else? Do you guy write your reps once a week or daily?
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And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on. 0 -
Saw this related to the topic,
http://www.infowars.com/democrats-republicans-and-nra-work-together-on-gun-confiscation/0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
Now you want restrictions on the first amendment?! Wow.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
I agree that this is a problem, Mr. Waltz. Even though, as emotions wind down, the impetus for passing 'common sense gun control' is fading, there remains a very real risk of something being done primarily for the sake of doing something. It is my belief that stopping the mainstream Democrats and mainstream Republicans from implementing a system of Universal Background Checks should be the primary goal, as this appears to be the only national restriction that appears to have any staying power.
Every time it is brought up, one need only to point out two things:
1. A system of Universal Background Checks, had it been in place, would not have stopped any of the recent group shootings.
2. Legislation to implement this is Constitutionally impossible. Such legislative power is obviously not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, and if Constitutional at all, is obviously a power that is reserved to the States via the 10th Amendment. The commerce clause cannot be invoked to provide legitimacy, as it has already been stretched to provide justification for the Federal Transfer Laws already on the books.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
Now you want restrictions on the first amendment?! Wow.
I don't follow you Mr. Perfect. Where did you infer that?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
I agree that this is a problem, Mr. Waltz. Even though, as emotions wind down, the impetus for passing 'common sense gun control' is fading, there remains a very real risk of something being done primarily for the sake of doing something. It is my belief that stopping the mainstream Democrats and mainstream Republicans from implementing a system of Universal Background Checks should be the primary goal, as this appears to be the only national restriction that appears to have any staying power.
Every time it is brought up, one need only to point out two things:
1. A system of Universal Background Checks, had it been in place, would not have stopped any of the recent group shootings.
2. Legislation to implement this is Constitutionally impossible. Such legislative power is obviously not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, and if Constitutional at all, is obviously a power that is reserved to the States via the 10th Amendment. The commerce clause cannot be invoked to provide legitimacy, as it has already been stretched to provide justification for the Federal Transfer Laws already on the books.
As much as I would like to say the solution is to simply take the hard line and oppose ALL new proposed gun laws I feel that even if we win all we will be doing is getting set up for the next one with the backlash being blamed on the hard liners. It's almost as if the media and government are channeling things this way.
This is about getting the people in the middle on our side. Committing political suicide won't help us.
So I guess your job here is to come up with the magic political solution.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
As much as I would like to say the solution is to simply take the hard line and oppose ALL new proposed gun laws I feel that even if we win all we will be doing is getting set up for the next one with the backlash being blamed on the hard liners. It's almost as if the media and government are channeling things this way.
This is about getting the people in the middle on our side. Committing political suicide won't help us.
So I guess your job here is to come up with the magic political solution.
You are correct in your assessment, I believe, Waco, and I agree that swaying the masses is a necessity.
I cannot agree with, however, throwing one group of Americans under the bus to satiate the masses.
The hard line is principled. Sacrificing our fellow Americans for a short-term gain is without principle, is immoral, and will do more to feed the flames of regulation than standing firm.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
Now you want restrictions on the first amendment?! Wow.
I don't follow you Mr. Perfect. Where did you infer that?
You want the left to stop their expression of shootings. Sounds like an infringement to me.[xx(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And when you come up with a way to stop the left from exploiting the shootings also let us know. And I would prefer you do this before they ban all the guns. I see them marching on.
Now you want restrictions on the first amendment?! Wow.
I don't follow you Mr. Perfect. Where did you infer that?
You want the left to stop their expression of shootings. Sounds like an infringement to me.[xx(]
I think you totally missed the point of my statement. You and Don don't agree with my views and Don pointed out how my views are cross ways with the philosophy of freedom to which I agree and yet we still have the anti gun problem don't we? I was simply dumping that problem back into your laps to deal with you know? As if to say If you have a better idea I was all ears.
Should we, if we even had the power and we don't, limit the lefty's first Amendment right to
spew their ideas in the press? That is a complex question.
Today 96% of all media print, radio, TV and internet is controlled by only 6 large corporations. There is a shell game of ownership that can be pointed to as a means to say the press is free but if you follow the money it all leads to a mere six corporate owners that just happen to have the same editorial policies and liberal view points.
Obviously the press is far from free or fair. If I somehow managed to find myself as a dictator being put in power by some coup or strange and extraordinary events do I think it would be a good idea to Limit the Progressives in this country? If I had the power you bet your sweet Bippy as my Dad used to say. But I don't nor never will have that power.
Do you think it's a good policy to allow those on the left to use the freedoms we have under the constitution for the express purpose to destroy those freedoms and the Country as we know it? I sure don't. Would I use my power as a dictator to forever control and suppress any opposition? NO at some point the country would be saved and the Constitution would again be the law of the land and I would of course step down and go into retirement. I should think no more then 5 years would be needed.
We will not recognise it as it rises.? It will wear no black shirts here.? It will probably have no marching songs.? It will rise out of a congregation of groups and elements that exist here and are essential components of Fascism.? The essentials of Fascism are: (1) corporatism; (2) government-created purchasing power as a substitute for private investment; (3) production of government funds by bank credits; (4) militarism; (5) dictatorship.
? ? It will be at first decorous, human, glowing with homely American sentiment.? But dictatorship cannot remain benevolent.? To continue, it must become ruthless. When this stage is reached we shall see that appeal by radio, movies, and government-controlled newspapers to all the worst instincts and emotions of our people.? The rough, the violent, the lawless men will come to the surface and into power.? This is the terrifying prospect as we move along our present course.
John T. Flynn19410
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