ISIS will come to America in force
Been saying it for over 6 months now. I did not think it would be so soon but it's coming with in the year. NO one understands how easy this country will fall with a traitor at the controls.
Don't be shocked when you wake up some morning to trucks going up and down your street full of armed men and ISIS flags flying off the truck's back end.
Americans Should Prepare Themselves For The Coming Obama-Sponsored ISIS Homeland Terror Attacks
AMERICANS SHOULD PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE COMING OBAMA-SPONSORED ISIS HOMELAND TERROR ATTACKS
Geoffrey Grider | May 6, 2015 | 71 Comments
THIS IS A SOBER, END TIMES WARNING TO ALL AMERICANS: NOW IS THE TIME TO BE PREPARED.
".but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." Luke 22:53 (KJV)
America, you twice-elected a Muslim-raised Marxist who hates this country, everything is now in place and you are about to pay the price for your love affair with the dark side. And no, we are not talking about skin color, we are talking about the spiritual darkness that Obama has wrapped around this nation, and the coming mind-numbing terror attacks that have already started here at home. America, you are about to know what it is like to live in a Third World country in the Middle East.
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This is Obama's America, and you should be afraid. Very afraid.
Right from the get go, Barack Hussein Obama told us in no uncertain terms that he was on the side of the Muslims, and that America would soon become Sharia compliant. During the 2008 campaign, like Hitler writing in Mein Kampf, he told us that radical transformation was coming if you elected him:
"We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." - Barack Obama, October 30, 2008
America, since 1776, has never needed "transformation", all we have ever needed was good men and women who would stick to the original ideals and principles set forth by our Founding Fathers. Transformation is what you have when something changes, and this is what Obama delivered.
For the past 6 years, Barack Hussein Obama was worked tirelessly both behind the scenes and openly, to allow hundreds of thousands illegal immigrants into this country, as well as importing tens of thousands of Syrian "refugees" from the Middle East and implanting them all though the Midwest. The Bible Belt, our Heartland, is now filled with foreign-born Muslims, almost none of which have been properly processed or accounted for. Mixed in among these "refugees" are hundreds of hardcore ISIS war fighters from the Middle East who have been busy creating terror cells on our soil. This has all been done for one reason and for one reason only, to launch Islamic terror attacks on Americans in America. This past weekend, ISIS terrorists openly launched gunfire attacks on the Mohammad Cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, hosted by Pamela Geller. ISIS officially took responsibility for the attacks. Headline from the NY Daily News just today states that "ISIS threatens controversial blogger Pamela Geller in message boasting of `71 trained soldiers in 15 different states." Are you getting the picture yet?
The ISIS attacks, which have already begun, will gradually increase in number until watching beheadings on the streets of every major American city will become as commonplace as checking the weather report. Why do you think that Obama has made it so hard to purchase new firearms and ammunition? He wants as few people as possible to be able to defend themselves on the streets. There is no new restrictive legislation on firearms; and yet never has the ability to buy reasonably priced ammunition and firearms in quantity been more curtailed. In loudly threatening to enact more gun control after each publicized tragic shooting, the Obama administration has created a climate of fear, which has prompted hoarding, shortages, panic buying, and paranoia, which have accomplished what the federal government could not.
How do you think that the so-called Arab Spring came about? Obama was a major player in this, and his Puppet-master, George Soros, supplied the money. The plan was to destabilize the Middles East, and rid the Arabic countries of their secular governments, and replace them with the Muslim Brotherhood. That was the plan. Did you know that there are two major lawsuits pending in Egypt right now charging both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton with conspiracy against Egypt in concert with the Muslim Brotherhood?
In one press conference after another, when referring to the Muslim terror super-group ISIS, United States President Barack Obama will use the term ISIL instead of their former name ISIS or current name Islamic State. Have you ever wondered about that? We have. When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State. Click here to read the full story on this.
HONESTLY, AMERICA, HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
Barack Hussein Obama has had the last 6 years to fully lay the framework for Islamization of America, and if it will not be accepted willingly, it will be forced upon us. Just think of how violent the streets of America have become since 2008. Race riots happen every few months in major cites, riots which we have shown you time and again were bought and paid for by George Soros. School shootings and public bombings are off the charts since Obama's election, they happen so often that you have subconsciously tuned them out, so here is a reminder for you. Don't just gloss over it, read it. In his years of occupying the desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue hide a sinister statistic - America has had 16 mass shootings since he became president, and this weekend's shooting in California now brings that total to 17. And since this is a list of shootings only, it does not include the Boston Bombing Massacre that Obama used to roll out martial law for a 24-hour period in Boston.
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Operation jade Helm 15 is about to launch on America, and the Pentagon is trying oh-so-hard to convince us that we have "nothing to fear". That's exactly what Adolf Hitler told the German people in 1932, nothing to fear. Only he was lying, just like Obama and his administration are doing to us at this very moment.
"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one." - Adolf Hitler from Mein Kampf
The war is coming, ISIS at the invitation of your president is here and prepared to wage jihad on America in America. This is what you voted for when you elected Obama, this is the change he promised you. We urge to be right with Jesus Christ, because you getting ready to meet Him.
And as shocking as all this is, we haven't even discussed the Benghazi Coverup, Fast & Furious, Solyndra, Iran's nuclear weapons, the IRS targeting of Conservatives, the Veterans Administration scandal, Obamacare, or any other of a dozen more egregious attacks on America and Americans. Or Obama's love for taxpayer-funded abortion and the LGBT agenda. You just keep thinking that Obama is a "lazy clown" who spends all his time on the golf course. That's exactly the image of him he wants you to have. The Obama we are showing you is one who is a workaholic, highly-motivated, highly-funded end times Anti-American destroyer who will bring this nation to it's knees in the face of Islamic jihadism if we let him. He's got a whole lot done already, wouldn't you agree?
OUR OWN FOUNDING DOCUMENTS WARNED US THIS DAY WOULD COME, ARE WE READY?
I cannot say it anymore plainly or passionately than what I have expressed here in this article. What happens next, and what we as citizens allow to happen next is yet to be determined. So let me close with these timely words from a document that Obama despises, the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
1776 is calling, America.but is anyone listening?
Don't be shocked when you wake up some morning to trucks going up and down your street full of armed men and ISIS flags flying off the truck's back end.
Americans Should Prepare Themselves For The Coming Obama-Sponsored ISIS Homeland Terror Attacks
AMERICANS SHOULD PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE COMING OBAMA-SPONSORED ISIS HOMELAND TERROR ATTACKS
Geoffrey Grider | May 6, 2015 | 71 Comments
THIS IS A SOBER, END TIMES WARNING TO ALL AMERICANS: NOW IS THE TIME TO BE PREPARED.
".but this is your hour, and the power of darkness." Luke 22:53 (KJV)
America, you twice-elected a Muslim-raised Marxist who hates this country, everything is now in place and you are about to pay the price for your love affair with the dark side. And no, we are not talking about skin color, we are talking about the spiritual darkness that Obama has wrapped around this nation, and the coming mind-numbing terror attacks that have already started here at home. America, you are about to know what it is like to live in a Third World country in the Middle East.
americans-should-prepare-themselves-for-isis-terror-attacks-on-us-soil-homeland-obama-muslim
This is Obama's America, and you should be afraid. Very afraid.
Right from the get go, Barack Hussein Obama told us in no uncertain terms that he was on the side of the Muslims, and that America would soon become Sharia compliant. During the 2008 campaign, like Hitler writing in Mein Kampf, he told us that radical transformation was coming if you elected him:
"We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America." - Barack Obama, October 30, 2008
America, since 1776, has never needed "transformation", all we have ever needed was good men and women who would stick to the original ideals and principles set forth by our Founding Fathers. Transformation is what you have when something changes, and this is what Obama delivered.
For the past 6 years, Barack Hussein Obama was worked tirelessly both behind the scenes and openly, to allow hundreds of thousands illegal immigrants into this country, as well as importing tens of thousands of Syrian "refugees" from the Middle East and implanting them all though the Midwest. The Bible Belt, our Heartland, is now filled with foreign-born Muslims, almost none of which have been properly processed or accounted for. Mixed in among these "refugees" are hundreds of hardcore ISIS war fighters from the Middle East who have been busy creating terror cells on our soil. This has all been done for one reason and for one reason only, to launch Islamic terror attacks on Americans in America. This past weekend, ISIS terrorists openly launched gunfire attacks on the Mohammad Cartoon contest in Garland, Texas, hosted by Pamela Geller. ISIS officially took responsibility for the attacks. Headline from the NY Daily News just today states that "ISIS threatens controversial blogger Pamela Geller in message boasting of `71 trained soldiers in 15 different states." Are you getting the picture yet?
The ISIS attacks, which have already begun, will gradually increase in number until watching beheadings on the streets of every major American city will become as commonplace as checking the weather report. Why do you think that Obama has made it so hard to purchase new firearms and ammunition? He wants as few people as possible to be able to defend themselves on the streets. There is no new restrictive legislation on firearms; and yet never has the ability to buy reasonably priced ammunition and firearms in quantity been more curtailed. In loudly threatening to enact more gun control after each publicized tragic shooting, the Obama administration has created a climate of fear, which has prompted hoarding, shortages, panic buying, and paranoia, which have accomplished what the federal government could not.
How do you think that the so-called Arab Spring came about? Obama was a major player in this, and his Puppet-master, George Soros, supplied the money. The plan was to destabilize the Middles East, and rid the Arabic countries of their secular governments, and replace them with the Muslim Brotherhood. That was the plan. Did you know that there are two major lawsuits pending in Egypt right now charging both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton with conspiracy against Egypt in concert with the Muslim Brotherhood?
In one press conference after another, when referring to the Muslim terror super-group ISIS, United States President Barack Obama will use the term ISIL instead of their former name ISIS or current name Islamic State. Have you ever wondered about that? We have. When Barack Obama refers over and over to the Islamic State as ISIL, he is sending a message to Muslims all over the Middle East that he personally does not recognize Israel as a sovereign nation, but as territory belonging to the Islamic State. Click here to read the full story on this.
HONESTLY, AMERICA, HOW MUCH MORE PROOF DO YOU NEED?
Barack Hussein Obama has had the last 6 years to fully lay the framework for Islamization of America, and if it will not be accepted willingly, it will be forced upon us. Just think of how violent the streets of America have become since 2008. Race riots happen every few months in major cites, riots which we have shown you time and again were bought and paid for by George Soros. School shootings and public bombings are off the charts since Obama's election, they happen so often that you have subconsciously tuned them out, so here is a reminder for you. Don't just gloss over it, read it. In his years of occupying the desk at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue hide a sinister statistic - America has had 16 mass shootings since he became president, and this weekend's shooting in California now brings that total to 17. And since this is a list of shootings only, it does not include the Boston Bombing Massacre that Obama used to roll out martial law for a 24-hour period in Boston.
obama-white-house-betrayal-papers-muslim-brotherhood-common-core-bethany-blankly-america
Operation jade Helm 15 is about to launch on America, and the Pentagon is trying oh-so-hard to convince us that we have "nothing to fear". That's exactly what Adolf Hitler told the German people in 1932, nothing to fear. Only he was lying, just like Obama and his administration are doing to us at this very moment.
"The great masses of the people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one." - Adolf Hitler from Mein Kampf
The war is coming, ISIS at the invitation of your president is here and prepared to wage jihad on America in America. This is what you voted for when you elected Obama, this is the change he promised you. We urge to be right with Jesus Christ, because you getting ready to meet Him.
And as shocking as all this is, we haven't even discussed the Benghazi Coverup, Fast & Furious, Solyndra, Iran's nuclear weapons, the IRS targeting of Conservatives, the Veterans Administration scandal, Obamacare, or any other of a dozen more egregious attacks on America and Americans. Or Obama's love for taxpayer-funded abortion and the LGBT agenda. You just keep thinking that Obama is a "lazy clown" who spends all his time on the golf course. That's exactly the image of him he wants you to have. The Obama we are showing you is one who is a workaholic, highly-motivated, highly-funded end times Anti-American destroyer who will bring this nation to it's knees in the face of Islamic jihadism if we let him. He's got a whole lot done already, wouldn't you agree?
OUR OWN FOUNDING DOCUMENTS WARNED US THIS DAY WOULD COME, ARE WE READY?
I cannot say it anymore plainly or passionately than what I have expressed here in this article. What happens next, and what we as citizens allow to happen next is yet to be determined. So let me close with these timely words from a document that Obama despises, the Declaration of Independence:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.-Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.
1776 is calling, America.but is anyone listening?
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no ears...most are getting ready to strew flowers in their path having been programmed in political correctness..never see the truth till the gates of the camps come into view 0 -
i think the big plus the american people have is that we have arms, millions of people are hunters-target shooters. the countries that the nut jobs take over have no arms or very few to defend them selfs with and their are many thousands of vets here who have fired shots in anger and will not run away from any fight brought here by isis, this state sells over a million hunting licenses a year and that means they have access to millions of firearms and know how to use them and that doesn,t count the target-recreational shooters. i don,t think isis would last very long in a major attack here. and once the fight starts all of the isis fighters caught should be shot right away with no exception as we all know what isis does with any one they deem a threat. mr myopic. 0 -
Nice hate propaganda from the KOSHER KLOWNS. The real threat to the U.S. is Judaism. 0 -
i agree,we have had just so many attacks by american jews here that they should be all rounded up and put in getto,s and camps where we can watch them. you can never be to carefull about the jewish threat. mr myopic.[xx(][xx(] 0 -
quote:Nice hate propaganda from the KOSHER KLOWNS. The real threat to the U.S. is Judaism.
DaveJ, what color is the sky in your world?0 -
"Don't be shocked when you wake up some morning to trucks going up and down your street full of armed men and ISIS flags flying off the truck's back end."
I really, really don't think that will happen in rural America.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
"Don't be shocked when you wake up some morning to trucks going up and down your street full of armed men and ISIS flags flying off the truck's back end."
I really, really don't think that will happen in rural America.
It might, but they're gonna be runnin' from good ol' boys in jacked up pickups with Confederate flags and armed to the teeth.
And DaveJ, (does the 'J' stand for Jew?) you might fit in better over at stormfront or some other dipwad site.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
"Don't be shocked when you wake up some morning to trucks going up and down your street full of armed men and ISIS flags flying off the truck's back end."
I really, really don't think that will happen in rural America.
Once they take over and get a firm grip they will mop up the rural areas.0 -
Dave you know the leader of ISIS is Israeli Mosad double agent right? 0 -
if we get a president with balls who will fight isis the way they should be fought, start killing then wholesale where ever they are found. if we want to survive this new threat we need to get as mean as our enimies. also revoke the passports of any who go to fight with isis, the little buzzard who helped his brother with the pressurer cooker bomb should have been killed in the boat he was hiding it. mr myopic. 0 -
"Once they take over and get a firm grip they will mop up the rural areas."
They won't do that just riding around in the back of an open truck. Simply won't happen w/o armored vehicles and air support.0 -
once they expose them selfs in actions against the american people they should all be killed and buried in a pig *hit pit the next working day. i think that may slow down their recruitment of native born wantabe,s. and they must think our soldiers will run like the ones they have been been running into in middle east. mr myopic. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Odds are .......... ISIS is already in America!!!
Well Muslims sympathizer have long been here. Some hard core have probably moved in and linked up with the jihad training camps and now the Dems want to bring in 60,000 in one shot. They are here and continuing to arrive just in time.
Mexican arms dealer arrested in boarder area selling liver military hand grenades. They will be armed to the teeth and all we're going to have is rifles, hand guns and shotguns.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobuck
"Once they take over and get a firm grip they will mop up the rural areas."
They won't do that just riding around in the back of an open truck. Simply won't happen w/o armored vehicles and air support.
They are going to have it believe it. They will get heavy armor and weapons each town they take over just like in Iraq. They won't need air support to deal with you or me even if we have formed paramilitaries.0 -
quote:Originally posted by eastbank
once they expose them selfs in actions against the american people they should all be killed and buried in a pig *hit pit the next working day. i think that may slow down their recruitment of native born wantabe,s. and they must think our soldiers will run like the ones they have been been running into in middle east. mr myopic.
That's probably what the Serbians thought in Kosovo right?0 -
the way you put it, you must think isis are super men. the men they have been fighting in the middle east come from many different factions. some with a dog in the fight but most don,t and don,t give a *hit who rules them. its a different ball game here, there were many german bunds here before ww-2 praising germany and hitler, with the start of the war they went tits up in a hurry. have you ever thrown a hand garnade?, you have to be very close to make it effective. i served in the vn war and will not *hit my pants when the firing starts and i,m sure their are thousands more who served in the other actions since then who will fight and have the arms to fight a effective resistence. to take and hold a large area of land they will need a very large force and i just don,t see how they could sustain a prolonged action here. mr myopic. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Odds are .......... ISIS is already in America!!!
Well Muslims sympathizer have long been here. Some hard core have probably moved in and linked up with the jihad training camps and now the Dems want to bring in 60,000 in one shot. They are here and continuing to arrive just in time.
Mexican arms dealer arrested in boarder area selling liver military hand grenades. They will be armed to the teeth and all we're going to have is rifles, hand guns and shotguns.
Where does one get liver hand grenades? Are they made from fresh liver or do they use frozen? I imagine if they're fresh they'll make a thoroughly disgusting splat noise when one lands nearby. If frozen they might be a bit painful to get hit by one. Are they only using Mexican livers from the Mexican military or would a liver from a Mexican civilian work just as well?
These are the things I ponder...0 -
LIVE grenades sorry I type late. 0 -
Taking on the U.S. military would be one thing but taking on ISIS?? The number of South Carolinians and Texans that would relish taking on honest to God Islamic terrorists, fighting on U.S. soil as true Christian warriors, would shock the liberal elite. Bring em on, where do I sign up?? I may be 68 but I would make a fierce warrior. I would stand and fight!! I would have to stand and fight, I'm to damned old to run!![:D]
My honest opinion of our fellow Americans is that ISIS would get its Islamic ass kicked even in a State like Massachusetts!!
OK, worst case scenario isn't even a worst case scenario. I get killed. Lets see now. I'm really pondering on this. Die a Christian warrior, live and end up in a nursing home crapping in diapers. No contest. To quote Warf "It's a good day to die!!"
What part of this am I supposed to fear??0 -
Been saying it for years, bring it on, you won't last a week in the countryside.
Obama is a symptom of urban Socialist/ Marxists, it don't cut the mustard in the countryside.0 -
If ISIS does in fact get crazy on our soil the libs will greet them with open arms thinking they will be able to change hundreds of years of living in the 7th century to our ways
Like to be a bug in the bushes watching the Lib heads being lobbed off with dull knives. They will not understand why ISIS is lobbing off heads with their last breath
Good part it will create a diversion while keeping ISIS busy for a short time as forces and groups are organizing then the boys with dull knives heads will roll0 -
our so called president had the chance to unleash full airpower on isis when they were on the move to take over cities out in the open where all their trucks, vechicles ,supplies and heavy weopens would have been cream puff targets. obomas problem along with liberals is he wants to talk them to death, that might work of he could get then to sit down and hear him go on for two hours and say nothing, but they are to busy chopping off heads and burning people to death. instead of sending them to gimo,send them to joe,s jail out west. my myopic. 0 -
Heard it once nothing followed. A talking head, one of the better ones, had an interview with a retired pentagon brass ( I don't recall the rank or name) told him the big nuts of the Arab world refused to attend themselves sending peons to the recent Camp David meeting because they only have to put up with Obama for another year and a half, they don't like dealing with him because he lectures everyone and these guys being head of a country don't take to lectures
Sounded logical to me, being as Narcissistic as he is I can see them staying away0 -
I'd think two or three rednecks with Winchester Model 70's could do a bit of damage to guys riding in the back of a pickup truck from 500 yds or so. 0 -
It will give us something to hunt when deer season closes ! Their only tactic is to hit and run. We will destroy them if they stand and fight and they already know this. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I'd think two or three rednecks with Winchester Model 70's could do a bit of damage to guys riding in the back of a pickup truck from 500 yds or so.
If you fire on trained hard core combatants like ISIS they will ditch the truck, fix your position and start moving in on you while firing. Probably call their friends in on your flank. They will get close enough and when you have a any sort of issue like need to reload they will stick a bayonet in your guts.
Don't think it's going to be as easy as you make it out to be. Don't try this at home unless you are a former military sniper or part of a larger 12 man or better force that knows some combat skills.
Don't underestimate them or they will make you pay for it.0 -
And now more insight into what is in store for America.
I RAQI Shiite cleric Ayad Jamal al-Din, a former member of the Iraqi parliament says that there are thousands of Mosques in America preparing people to join Islamic State.
I f you want to understand the challenge Western liberalism faces from Islamic supremacism, take six minutes to watch this extraordinary interview of Ayad Jamal al-Din, a Shiite cleric, Iraqi intellectual, and former member of the Iraqi parliament who campaigns for a democratic Iraq that separates mosque and state. Mr. al-Din was in Washington for the October 17 interview by al-Iraqiya TV in Iraq, and the interview with English subtitles (which I've reproduced as a transcript below) was publicized on Monday by the invaluable MEMRI (the Middle East Media Research Institute).
While President Obama, Secretary of State Kerry, and Prime Minister Cameron absurdly contend that the Islamic State, or ISIS, is not Islamic, al-Din -an authentic moderate Muslim who regards the Islamic State as the enemy - patiently explains that the jihadist organization adheres to a firmly established interpretation of Islam that is based on sharia and fiqh (jurisprudence).
I have repeatedly argued that classical, mainstream sharia is repressive, discriminatory, and anti-democratic, and thus that it was self-defeating for the United States to sponsor new constitutions in Iraq and Afghanistan that attempted to meld Western democratic principles with sharia (see here, here, and here). It is especially gratifying to hear a passionate, articulate explanation of the incompatibility of Western democracy and Islamic jurisprudence from someone who reveres the former, is steeped in the latter, and understands the stakes.
Moreover, for those of us who frequently point out that mosques - which Muslim Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna described as the "axis" of his ideological movement in every city and town - are often centers for jihadist incitement, recruitment, training and fundraising, it is refreshing to hear someone intimately familiar with this phenomenon explain that there are mosques throughout the world directly and indirectly championing the Islamic State by glorifying jihad and the caliphate.
Our national security will not be well served until the United States government ends its futile search for "moderate Islamists" and realizes our allies in the Muslim community are the real moderates, meaning pro-Western democrats who reject the imposition of sharia on civil society. Supporting our enemies only undermines our friends.
Here is the transcript:
AL-DIN: ISIS is just the tip of the iceberg. ISIS has support. It is one of many groups. ISIS is based upon a certain ideology, upon a certain interpretation of religion, and upon a certain fiqh[Islamic jurisprudence]. Unfortunately, what happened to the Yazidis and others in northern Iraq is to be found in the fiqh of Shiites and Sunnis alike. Unless we are careful in the use offiqh - in my opinion, the fiqh is more dangerous than nuclear technology.
Therefore, we in Iraq are facing two choices: Either we establish a civil state which relies on man-made law, based on equality between citizens, or else we establish a state based on fiqh and on religious law [ACM: Islamic "religious law" is sharia]. If we establish a state based on fiqh, partitioning into a Shiite state, a Sunni state, and a Kurdish state is inevitable. Alternative, we could establish a civil state, in which all citizens are equal in the eyes of the law.
As I have said, ISIS is a phenomenon with extensions all over the world, not just in Muslim countries. Even here in the U.S., there are many ISIS mosques. There are thousands of mosques that are preparing people to join ISIS. Imagine: young people from Florida join the ranks of ISIS to fight, and so do young people from Britain, Australia, Russia, China, and elsewhere. How could a young university student leave Florida to fight for ISIS if not for a mosque that incited him to do so?
I am not talking about a handful of mosques or about just a few people. No, we are talking about thousands of such mosques, or even more, in all countries of the world, from South America to North America, Africa, Asia, and Europe. These mosques are calling, day in and day out, for the revival of the caliphate. There are school curricula that glorify the caliphate, saying that the past of the Muslims is better than their present.
I believe that the opposite is true. Who says that our past is better than our present? We live in the era of electricity, of the Internet, of satellite TV, of modern medicine, telecommunications, awareness - even our understanding of religion is much better. . . .
AL-DIN: You cannot defeat ISIS through sectarianism. Only through patriotism. If the Shiites, Sunnis, Arabs, Kurds, Turkmen, Yazidis, Christians, and Sabeans cannot agree among themselves to unite under the banner of a single Iraq, ISIS will not be defeated. It is necessary to establish a national army and national unity, not merely in speeches but in daily life.
If we raise the [Shiite] banners of Hussein on the tanks, we will be inadvertently strengthening ISIS. They will say that this is a Safavid army, not an Iraqi one, and this will drive the Sunnis to rally around ISIS. . . .
AL-DIN: Both the Shiite and Sunni fiqh say that the Yazidis should be killed.
HOST: You are talking about the fiqh of ISIS, of course.
AL-DIN: The Christians and the Jews are considered the People of the Book, and some include the Zoroastrians and the Sabeans. But as for the Buddhists, they should all be killed. This is according to both Shiite and Sunni fiqh. The problem lies with our fiqh, and therefore I say that either we follow the fiqh, in which case ISIS is more or less right, or else we follow man-made, civil enlightened law, according to which the Yazidis are citizens just like Shiite and Sunni Muslims.
That is why ISIS are saying that they have not invented anything new but are merely following the fiqh: The Yazidis can either become Muslims or be sold on the market as slaves. Both the Shiite and the Sunni fiqh are in agreement on this.
We must make a decision whether to follow man-made civil law, legislated by the Iraqi parliament, or whether to follow thefatwas issued by Islamic jurisprudents. We must no embellish things and say that Islam is a religion of compassion, peace and rose water, and that everything is fine. Brother, your Islamic history is full of wars, raids - from Tunisia along, one million boys were taken as slaves to Damascus -
HOST: [Interrupting] Don't you believe Islam is a religion of compassion and peace?
AL-DIN: [Pause] It is, but there is an interpretation of Islam that goes back 1,400 years. Islam has been politicized and is used as a sword. "The Koran calls and the sword protects" is the slogan of the Muslim Brotherhood and of all the Islamic political parties. [ACM: See the emblem of the Muslim Brotherhood, here, showing a Koran above two crossed swords.]
In 2009, the FBI said that 10% of America's 2,000+ mosques had imams that were actively and regularly preaching jihad against America. About a quarter of the Muslims in America ages 18 through 29 believe that suicide bombings can be justified, according to a Pew Research Center poll.
ISIS has already begun terror attacks in Canada, America is next. And the thousands of mosques that dot our landscape are the very training grounds where this evil is emanating from. America has no choice but to begin closing each and every mosque that preaches jihad.
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as of 2013 there were 19.6 million U.S. armed service veterans alive and kicking in the united states who i think would join the regular army-nation guard(i would in a heart beat)to beef up any man power that would be needed. like i posted before, isis is not fighting a solid fighting force, mostly men who don,t even have basic combat skills or arms of any kind and don,t care who rules them. you can scoff at men who can and do hit groundhogs-deer size animals and targets with their rifles at 300 yards and more, and i,ll bet isis would not be laughing when they started their flanking moves and run into men who know what end of a rifle the bullet comes from. you assume people would not know they were comming, as soon as it starts that info would be out and the men who would fight would form up and if arms and equipment were needed the nation guard armories would be emptied. and the good part,after the isis men cut heads off and burnt a few people, there would be no prisioners taken. no gitmo, no three hots and a cot for them, only a ditch filled with their comrads. eastbank. 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
I'd think two or three rednecks with Winchester Model 70's could do a bit of damage to guys riding in the back of a pickup truck from 500 yds or so.
If you fire on trained hard core combatants like ISIS they will ditch the truck, fix your position and start moving in on you while firing. Probably call their friends in on your flank. They will get close enough and when you have a any sort of issue like need to reload they will stick a bayonet in your guts.
Don't think it's going to be as easy as you make it out to be. Don't try this at home unless you are a former military sniper or part of a larger 12 man or better force that knows some combat skills.
Don't underestimate them or they will make you pay for it.
If there are enough left to fix anything; start moving in while firing and picking 270-gr bullets out of their heads; call in their friends if their radio operator is still alive, with an operational set; get close enough if any are left after condition (2) above, while simultaneously coming into range of (insert name of hi-cap handgun here).0 -
Go to YouTube, pull up some video of fighting in Iraq. In 10 minutes of video all I saw was spray and pray, not one aimed shot, ON EITHER SIDE!!!
My Savage 243 routinely places 5 rounds inside a quarter at 200 meters with me doing the shooting. A top shot with my Savage could probably do a 1/2 inch at 200 meters. Human sized targets at 600 to 800 yards?? Give me a little time with my drop tables.
Waco, I'm sorry but spraying and praying doesn't work against someone who knows how to shoot. On my block alone there are at least 7 men (probably 4 or 5 women) that can routinely drop a deer at 200+ yards. I'll take my chances!0
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