Pope Blames Allied Forces in The Holocaust ?
Pope Francis blames Allied Forces for not bombing railroad lines to concentration camps in WWII! Looks like he is running for office in The United Nations. [:D]
serf
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-world-powers-did-nothing-as-jews-were-taken-to-auschwitz/
Pope Francis on Sunday denounced what he called the "great powers" of the world for failing to act when there was intelligence indicating Jews, Christians, samesexuals and others were being transported to death camps in Europe during World War II.
serf
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-world-powers-did-nothing-as-jews-were-taken-to-auschwitz/
Pope Francis on Sunday denounced what he called the "great powers" of the world for failing to act when there was intelligence indicating Jews, Christians, samesexuals and others were being transported to death camps in Europe during World War II.
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I have to wonder what he has been smoking 0 -
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
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First heard that argument in the early 1970's. Don't believe it was new then.
It is revisionist to claim the Allied leadership had a grasp of the extent of what was going on. They knew some of it, but by no means the full scope of the horror. For them to have diverted precious war resources on the information they had to non-war related targets would have been foolhardy. It would have weakened the allied position and allowed the enemy more time. In turn leading to more death.
The Allies bombed the rail lines and railroad infrastructure constantly. Anywhere it would hurt the enemy war effort, they bombed all they could. Still the railroads got repaired, trains put back into operation, repair facilities rebuilt. Sometimes overnight.
It weren't no picnic. It was not easy. Until the end was truly in sight, it was by no means certain we would win.
No doubt the Pope is a real smart guy, but sometimes people have a blind spot or two. I'd say this, with all his good positive qualities, is one of his.0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
http://discardedlies.com/entry/?4044
What is wrong with you? You cannot read the religion in that posting? How Many religions are mentioned?0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
http://discardedlies.com/entry/?4044
What is wrong with you? You cannot read the religion in that posting? How Many religions are mentioned?
If the shoe fits then religion does not matter. The Pope should clean his own house before condemning Free Democracies Bleeding their blood to eradicate The Holocaust with The Nazi's.
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quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
http://discardedlies.com/entry/?4044
What is wrong with you? You cannot read the religion in that posting? How Many religions are mentioned?
If the shoe fits then religion does not matter. The Pope should clean his own house before condemning Free Democracies Bleeding their blood to eradicate The Holocaust with The Nazi's.
serf
Some days your "Crazy" does seem worse than others. You ought to get some help for that. Before it sours you stomach.0 -
woulda...shoulda...coulda....about 70 years to LATE....he coulda be speaking german from the papal perch if it were not for the ALLIED effort 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
http://discardedlies.com/entry/?4044
What is wrong with you? You cannot read the religion in that posting? How Many religions are mentioned?
If the shoe fits then religion does not matter. The Pope should clean his own house before condemning Free Democracies Bleeding their blood to eradicate The Holocaust with The Nazi's.
serf
Some days your "Crazy" does seem worse than others. You ought to get some help for that. Before it sours you stomach.
Stick to the facts. Personal attacks are not effective debating. There is plenty of blame to go around for the persecution of The Jewish faith in WWII.
Just because The Vatican is religious does not mean that it could not turn a blind eye back then too!
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Well, Auschwitz opened (well inside Poland) in 1940.
The US was not in the war in 1940. Gee, what else was going on in 1940? The Blitz, and Dunkirk. The Brits were hanging on by teeth and toenails, and rounding up shotguns to give the Home Guard to repel the invaders they expected any day.
Don't think they were up to bombing a hell of a lot of targets well inside Europe just then.0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
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Stick to the facts. Personal attacks are not effective debating. There is plenty of blame to go around for the persecution of The Jewish faith in WWII.
Just because The Vatican is religious does not mean that it could not turn a blind eye back then too!
serf
I did stick to the facts. Some days your "Crazy" is a bit over the top, down across the valley and near to topping the far ridge.
It just is. Not my fault, I didn't do it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
quote:Originally posted by serf
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Stick to the facts. Personal attacks are not effective debating. There is plenty of blame to go around for the persecution of The Jewish faith in WWII.
Just because The Vatican is religious does not mean that it could not turn a blind eye back then too!
serf
I did stick to the facts. Some days your "Crazy" is a bit over the top, down across the valley and near to topping the far ridge.
It just is. Not my fault, I didn't do it.
Your descriptions used here is unfounded,just is how dumb you are when attacking me personally. You should be sanction.
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quote:Originally posted by ChrisInTempe
Some days your "Crazy" does seem worse than others. You ought to get some help for that. Before it sours you stomach.
That got a chuckle.[8D]0 -
If I recall correctly the Catholic church was very reluctant to condemn the Nazi's, and could be accused of tacitly approving of the third reich. The pope has plenty of poop in his own closet to clean before pointing fingers our way.
There was some intelligence about the holocaust at the time, but what they were hearing sounded crazy and was thought to be untrue. The extent was not realized at the time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by serf
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Here we go again... THE POPE IS A RELIGIOUS LEADER . Religious might mean Religion. You start slamming the Leader of my Church don't expect any less coming back.
Then please ask yourself what was The rat line about in WWII? Religion? Nope Power and influence!
serf
http://discardedlies.com/entry/?4044
What is wrong with you? You cannot read the religion in that posting? How Many religions are mentioned?
If the shoe fits then religion does not matter. The Pope should clean his own house before condemning Free Democracies Bleeding their blood to eradicate The Holocaust with The Nazi's.
serf
You must be out in left field. No religious threads on this forum.0 -
The true extent of the Holocaust remained unknown until the close of hostilities, however the Allies were aware of it to a great extent without question. The problem faced by the Allies was at least twofold. Bomb the lines leading to the camps and innocent lives were sure to be lost. Further, the trains would still have arrived and the Nazis would still have murdered their prisoners. Probably some merely dying in the railcars. Either way there was no real advantage to the Allied cause nor to those who were prisoners.
It was decided that bombing would be of better use against the German population and against production and transportation facilities. The reasoning being that this would bring the war to the close more quickly and our assets would be better used.
I believe that history probably falls on the side of the Allied decision.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nord
The true extent of the Holocaust remained unknown until the close of hostilities, however the Allies were aware of it to a great extent without question. The problem faced by the Allies was at least twofold. Bomb the lines leading to the camps and innocent lives were sure to be lost. Further, the trains would still have arrived and the Nazis would still have murdered their prisoners. Probably some merely dying in the railcars. Either way there was no real advantage to the Allied cause nor to those who were prisoners.
It was decided that bombing would be of better use against the German population and against production and transportation facilities. The reasoning being that this would bring the war to the close more quickly and our assets would be better used.
I believe that history probably falls on the side of the Allied decision.
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quote:Originally posted by nord
The true extent of the Holocaust remained unknown until the close of hostilities, however the Allies were aware of it to a great extent without question. The problem faced by the Allies was at least twofold. Bomb the lines leading to the camps and innocent lives were sure to be lost. Further, the trains would still have arrived and the Nazis would still have murdered their prisoners. Probably some merely dying in the railcars. Either way there was no real advantage to the Allied cause nor to those who were prisoners.
It was decided that bombing would be of better use against the German population and against production and transportation facilities. The reasoning being that this would bring the war to the close more quickly and our assets would be better used.
I believe that history probably falls on the side of the Allied decision.
Yes, agree entirely, well said.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45forme
If I recall correctly the Catholic church was very reluctant to condemn the Nazi's, and could be accused of tacitly approving of the third reich. The pope has plenty of poop in his own closet to clean before pointing fingers our way.
There was some intelligence about the holocaust at the time, but what they were hearing sounded crazy and was thought to be untrue. The extent was not realized at the time.
The Vatican is in Rome...Rome is in Italy....Italy was part of The "AXIS" powers...so , don't you think Pope Pius walked a tight rope until Mussolini was out of power?...The Church did what it thought was best in a bad situation.....so did Roosevelt when he interred the Japanese Americans during WW2...Remember Jesus was a Jew...0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
quote:Originally posted by 45forme
If I recall correctly the Catholic church was very reluctant to condemn the Nazi's, and could be accused of tacitly approving of the third reich. The pope has plenty of poop in his own closet to clean before pointing fingers our way.
There was some intelligence about the holocaust at the time, but what they were hearing sounded crazy and was thought to be untrue. The extent was not realized at the time.
The Vatican is in Rome...Rome is in Italy....Italy was part of The "AXIS" powers...so , don't you think Pope Pius walked a tight rope until Mussolini was out of power?...The Church did what it thought was best in a bad situation.....so did Roosevelt when he interred the Japanese Americans during WW2...Remember Jesus was a Jew...
Yup. Along with his wife and kids. Nice folks too.0 -
The Pope is cherry-picking his history.
I believe I remember some pictures of card carrying Luger wielding Catholic personal at the camps. Why didn't we hear from them?
How can you slice the pie of munitions manufacture's as to not be Christians in one statement, and then criticize the Allies for not bombing a part of the Nazi war machine that had no part of shorting the war.
Sounds like the Pope didn't learn the facts about WW2. He needs to clean his own house and stay out of politics. He comes off as an idiot, which I'm sure he is not.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nord
The true extent of the Holocaust remained unknown until the close of hostilities, however the Allies were aware of it to a great extent without question. The problem faced by the Allies was at least twofold. Bomb the lines leading to the camps and innocent lives were sure to be lost. Further, the trains would still have arrived and the Nazis would still have murdered their prisoners. Probably some merely dying in the railcars. Either way there was no real advantage to the Allied cause nor to those who were prisoners.
It was decided that bombing would be of better use against the German population and against production and transportation facilities. The reasoning being that this would bring the war to the close more quickly and our assets would be better used.
I believe that history probably falls on the side of the Allied decision.
Yep. Hindsight is always more clear.
Given this pope's background, his position here isn't all that surprising. Disappointing maybe, but not surprising.0 -
and what was the catholic churches stance when the united states turned around the ship saintlouis full of jews due to the current refugee status ?
they really fought hard didn't they0 -
While we are talking WWII lets talk about the Japs and the new toyota's Bataan March. Them sorry Japs killed a lot of men. The clergy didn't stop that. How how about all them Japs in those Camps in the USA. They should have shot every one. Or should they. Were they Americans living here or spies? All Clergy of all religions fault. I tell you it is those unethical clergy who has ruined this country. 0 -
i watched several programs about the rat line and the catholic church was said to be involved in it.i never understood why the jews didn,t fight back more, in the warsaw getto they did and i think the jews revolted in the death camp at sobibrok. and over 50,000 US airmen died in the air war over germany. my myopic. 0 -
The pope should know monday morning quarterbacking is BS... 0 -
At the risk of misrepresenting history, I believe the Catholic Church signed a treaty with the Nazi party prior to WW2 kicking off which guaranteed CTHOLICS would not be persecuted in Germany.
I may not have it exactly right, but I'm close.0 -
quote:Originally posted by eastbank
i watched several programs about the rat line and the catholic church was said to be involved in it.i never understood why the jews didn,t fight back more, in the warsaw getto they did and i think the jews revolted in the death camp at sobibrok. and over 50,000 US airmen died in the air war over germany. my myopic.
The Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto ,is depicted in a great book by Leon Uris.... "Mila 18"0 -
He may be the right hand fancy hatted dude to God but that don't mean he knows his ass from a hill of beans. 0 -
The more people that ignore this nonsense the faster he'll shut up. 0
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