FBI INVESTIGATING BUNDY SUPPORTERS
What will be the holding charge if they arrest anyone? Is it illegal to point your gun with a mind to defending yourself and others from great bodily harm or death?
DNW
FBI INVESTIGATING BUNDY SUPPORTERS
Claims weapons were pointed at federal officers triggers criminal investigation
Published: 1 day ago
The FBI has launched a formal criminal investigation into the events surrounding last months standoff between the Bureau of Land Management and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.
Agents have been interviewing BLM agents and law-enforcement officers who had been onsite, focusing on charges Bundy supporters and militia members who joined them pointed weapons at the authorities and made threats on their lives, reports KLAS-TV, Las Vegas.
FBI agents have interviewed Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie, Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo and a squad of Metro police officers who served as a buffer between Bundy's supporters and the BLM forces. A second squad is to be interviewed this week.
"The federal authorities are conducting an investigation and I am pretty confident it is going to go into the future," said Lombardo, who was interviewed by the FBI earlier this week.
Asked if there would be consequences for somebody recorded on video tape or a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer or a federal ranger, Lombardo said yes.
"There is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future," he said.
Sheriff Gillispie confirmed he was asked what he observed, but declined to give details.
KLAS reported earlier that Metro members claimed they had feared for their lives because of so many armed supporters standing with the Bundys, who had "pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die."
"When we first got out there and made a left to divide I-15, that is all you saw. You saw kids and women and horses in the backdrop and then men with guns, laying on the ground, in the back of pickup trucks. We're going, `Wow, this would never happen in Las Vegas,' But it was there. That is not a rumor. It is reality and I saw it with my own eyes," said Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins, who has been interviewed by the FBI.
Bundy supporters have insisted in emails and calls to KLAS that no one in the crowd pointed weapons at BLM or Metro officers and that BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns at them.
DNW reported last week that Bundy's supporters have filed a long list of complaints with police about the behavior of federal BLM agents - essentially accusing the government of thuggery.
Government agents blocked roads, loosed attack dogs, threatened people and pointed weapons and even harassed photographers, Bundy supporters alleged, according to an AP report about the complaints.
But Bundy told DNW that he wasn't there to tell police - or supporters - what they need to be doing, he was just trying to assess damage to his ranch and cattle herd from the partial roundup, and move forward.
Bundy said he and his wife didn't file the complaints with the Las Vegas police, but he knew some of those supporting him did visit with officers to raise about 40 complaints over BLM activities.
Associated Press reported the complaints against the federal officers, which were being investigated, were filed by three of Bundy's sons and about a dozen other people.
He said he hasn't heard yet from the federal government about any of the disputed issues.
Actually, he told DNW, he has gotten a couple of certified letters, but hasn't opened them, saying he's going to "give them to my attorney."
At the time, Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins had already made statements to the press indicating he had feared a situation could have developed "that would have left a lot of dead officers," but Bundy's assessment seemed to minimize the risk faced by the police.
Bundy told DNW, "They kept themselves pretty safe."
He said the only time he really noticed them was when they formed a barrier so BLM rangers could depart.
Bundy said it would be really nice if those certified letters were apologies for the damage to his operation.
Read more at http://www.DNW.com/2014/05/report-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters/#GjFu8frlU8LiEwqh.99
DNW
FBI INVESTIGATING BUNDY SUPPORTERS
Claims weapons were pointed at federal officers triggers criminal investigation
Published: 1 day ago
The FBI has launched a formal criminal investigation into the events surrounding last months standoff between the Bureau of Land Management and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.
Agents have been interviewing BLM agents and law-enforcement officers who had been onsite, focusing on charges Bundy supporters and militia members who joined them pointed weapons at the authorities and made threats on their lives, reports KLAS-TV, Las Vegas.
FBI agents have interviewed Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie, Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo and a squad of Metro police officers who served as a buffer between Bundy's supporters and the BLM forces. A second squad is to be interviewed this week.
"The federal authorities are conducting an investigation and I am pretty confident it is going to go into the future," said Lombardo, who was interviewed by the FBI earlier this week.
Asked if there would be consequences for somebody recorded on video tape or a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer or a federal ranger, Lombardo said yes.
"There is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future," he said.
Sheriff Gillispie confirmed he was asked what he observed, but declined to give details.
KLAS reported earlier that Metro members claimed they had feared for their lives because of so many armed supporters standing with the Bundys, who had "pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die."
"When we first got out there and made a left to divide I-15, that is all you saw. You saw kids and women and horses in the backdrop and then men with guns, laying on the ground, in the back of pickup trucks. We're going, `Wow, this would never happen in Las Vegas,' But it was there. That is not a rumor. It is reality and I saw it with my own eyes," said Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins, who has been interviewed by the FBI.
Bundy supporters have insisted in emails and calls to KLAS that no one in the crowd pointed weapons at BLM or Metro officers and that BLM rangers were the ones pointing guns at them.
DNW reported last week that Bundy's supporters have filed a long list of complaints with police about the behavior of federal BLM agents - essentially accusing the government of thuggery.
Government agents blocked roads, loosed attack dogs, threatened people and pointed weapons and even harassed photographers, Bundy supporters alleged, according to an AP report about the complaints.
But Bundy told DNW that he wasn't there to tell police - or supporters - what they need to be doing, he was just trying to assess damage to his ranch and cattle herd from the partial roundup, and move forward.
Bundy said he and his wife didn't file the complaints with the Las Vegas police, but he knew some of those supporting him did visit with officers to raise about 40 complaints over BLM activities.
Associated Press reported the complaints against the federal officers, which were being investigated, were filed by three of Bundy's sons and about a dozen other people.
He said he hasn't heard yet from the federal government about any of the disputed issues.
Actually, he told DNW, he has gotten a couple of certified letters, but hasn't opened them, saying he's going to "give them to my attorney."
At the time, Metro Police Sgt. Tom Jenkins had already made statements to the press indicating he had feared a situation could have developed "that would have left a lot of dead officers," but Bundy's assessment seemed to minimize the risk faced by the police.
Bundy told DNW, "They kept themselves pretty safe."
He said the only time he really noticed them was when they formed a barrier so BLM rangers could depart.
Bundy said it would be really nice if those certified letters were apologies for the damage to his operation.
Read more at http://www.DNW.com/2014/05/report-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters/#GjFu8frlU8LiEwqh.99
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Originally posted by Waco Waltz
What will be the holding charge if they arrest anyone? Is it illegal to point your gun with a mind to defending yourself and others from great bodily harm or death?
There would have been no threat of great bodily harm if the bird brains had minded there own business and allowed the government to enforce the law. This is one time that I agree with the government. He's a deadbeat BS artist that is using those fools to avoid paying fees that other users pay. They could face any number of charges...conspiring, disorderly conduct, terrorist threats, possible firearms violations and others. The jackasses should have stayed home instead of looking like a bunch of duped and used fools. Their time would have been better spent working against our new health care system or our involvement in Middle Eastern wars.0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Folks who live in the open country and in 'freedom' states have a different perspective of life than those who live in big cities and have been force fed 'the government is always right' program.
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A deadbeat is a deadbeat no matter where he lives. He is using them and they don't have the brain power to see it.0 -
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business? 0 -
News flash.
Utah is not the most conducive place to graze cattle. It's in a high desert, and experiences drought conditions frequently.
Grazing cattle on land like that requires an immense amount of land in order to NOT destroy the capability of the land to recover. Very few ranchers can afford to amass that amount of land. In fact, no rancher in the last 100 years has had that much land.
The free range grazing ended some 100 years ago. BLM was established to maintain the ability of the land to recover while providing grazing area to ranchers. This was done because in the 1920's it was recognized that a great many ranchers as well as farmers hadn't the knowledge, expertise, or will to manage the land and conserve its ability to recover from usage.
To equitably manage the land and grazing amongst the many ranchers who wanted to use it, BLM became the broker and manager, at a fee that was well below competitive prices, and didn't require ranchers to acquire more land than they could afford. If the cost of feed is greater than the return on beef, then the ranchers have to go into a more profitable enterprise.
This is called CAPITALISM. Something that a socialist like Bundy seems to overlook.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.
It's a fee not a tax.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.
It's a fee not a tax.
I know that but it's about paying ones fair share. I used tax money as a example because the rest of us don't pay grazing fees.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.
It's a fee not a tax.
I know that but it's about paying ones fair share. I used tax money as a example because the rest of us don't pay grazing fees.
Fair share like the rest of the ranchers? You mean like the ones they drove out of business?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.
It's a fee not a tax.
I know that but it's about paying ones fair share. I used tax money as a example because the rest of us don't pay grazing fees.
Fair share like the rest of the ranchers? You mean like the ones they drove out of business?
No, I mean the ones who ran their operations wisely, payed their fees annually and didn't let their debt pile up on them. You know, the non deadbeats.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by DaveJ
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
SO Dave, Bundy would have your respect if he has played ball and been driven out of business?
If I don't pay federal taxes because they would put me out of business and you do pay your taxes.......would you think that is fair? He's a whining deadbeat that's using those so call " Militia " and they're too full of BS to see it.
It's a fee not a tax.
I know that but it's about paying ones fair share. I used tax money as a example because the rest of us don't pay grazing fees.
Fair share like the rest of the ranchers? You mean like the ones they drove out of business?
No, I mean the ones who ran their operations wisely, payed their fees annually and didn't let their debt pile up on them. You know, the non deadbeats.
Come on Dave do a little research. All the non deadbeats are no longer ranchers paying into anything related to the BLM.0
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