Stepping Down
I have reflected on the recent discussions over membership and how to gain it. I fully understand the positions that have been laid out by the various members.
It has been a rewarding and enjoyable association for me and I have gained some new friends and some knowledge.
My views and my stance on membership are simply an impediment to gaining what are likely quality and productive new Brethren. I will not attempt to dictate, or cajole, my brothers into adopting some rule, or practice of exclusion that goes against the general wishes and desires of the Brethren, nor is this individualist going to compromise on what I see as a very important distinction in membership standards.
That said, I am stepping down as No. 4 in the Brethren. Better to do so whilst in good spirits, in good camaraderie and on my terms, than to leave in frustration and under less than favorable terms at some point in the future.
A purely personal decision, based on a reflection of who and what I am and what the Brethren means to me. There is no animosity or hard-feelings from me toward the Brethren, or toward any individual member.
Simply put, I have views and positions that are not conducive to 'belonging' to any group. I recognize that these views may be seen as 'elitist', albeit without that intent, from me. This then, is the beauty of voluntary association and of rugged-individualism.
So be it.
You are all good men, you are all stalwart individualists and you will carry on with the continuing fight in the name of the Brethren.
I will be standing next to you in this battle against collectivism and will be posting right beside you, just without the name of Canary Ass.
It is important to me that you understand why I am taking this action, at least those that care. This move is no reflection on the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass, but, rather, is being made to allow me to maintain my self-set standard and to remove my positions, views and desires from being a stumbling block, or a source of division.
You all remain Brothers to me.[:)]
It has been a rewarding and enjoyable association for me and I have gained some new friends and some knowledge.
My views and my stance on membership are simply an impediment to gaining what are likely quality and productive new Brethren. I will not attempt to dictate, or cajole, my brothers into adopting some rule, or practice of exclusion that goes against the general wishes and desires of the Brethren, nor is this individualist going to compromise on what I see as a very important distinction in membership standards.
That said, I am stepping down as No. 4 in the Brethren. Better to do so whilst in good spirits, in good camaraderie and on my terms, than to leave in frustration and under less than favorable terms at some point in the future.
A purely personal decision, based on a reflection of who and what I am and what the Brethren means to me. There is no animosity or hard-feelings from me toward the Brethren, or toward any individual member.
Simply put, I have views and positions that are not conducive to 'belonging' to any group. I recognize that these views may be seen as 'elitist', albeit without that intent, from me. This then, is the beauty of voluntary association and of rugged-individualism.
So be it.
You are all good men, you are all stalwart individualists and you will carry on with the continuing fight in the name of the Brethren.
I will be standing next to you in this battle against collectivism and will be posting right beside you, just without the name of Canary Ass.
It is important to me that you understand why I am taking this action, at least those that care. This move is no reflection on the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass, but, rather, is being made to allow me to maintain my self-set standard and to remove my positions, views and desires from being a stumbling block, or a source of division.
You all remain Brothers to me.[:)]
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quote:Originally posted by lt496
I have reflected on the recent discussions over membership and how to gain it. I fully understand the positions that have been laid out by the various members.
It has been a rewarding and enjoyable association, for me and I have gained some new friends and some knowledge.
My views and my stance on membership are simply an impediment to gaining what are likely quality and productive new Brethren. I will not attempt to dictate, or cajole, my brothers into adopting some rule, or practice of exclusion that goes against the general wishes and desires of the Brethren, nor is this individualist going to compromise on what I see as a very important distinction in membership standards.
That said, I am stepping down as No. 4 in the Brethren. Better to do so whilst in good spirits, in good camaraderie and on my terms, than to leave in frustration and under less than favorable terms at some point in the future.
A purely personal decision, based on a reflection of who and what I am and what the Brethren means to me. There is no animosity or hard-feelings from me toward the Brethren, or toward any individual member.
Simply put, I have views and positions that are not conducive to 'belonging' to any group. I recognize that these views may be seen as 'elitist', albeit without that intent, from me. This then, is the beauty of voluntary association and of rugged-individualism.
So be it.
You are all good men, you are all stalwart individualists and you will carry on with the continuing fight in the name of the Brethren.
I will be standing next to you in this battle against collectivism and will be posting right beside you, just without the name of Canary Ass.
It is important to me that you understand why I am taking this action, at least those that care. This move is no reflection on the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass, but, rather, is being made to allow me to maintain my self-set standard and to remove my positions, views and desires from being a stumbling block, or a source of division.
You all remain Brothers to me.[:)]
Damn[V]
But I understand. However, I do not see your positions, views, or desires as either a stumbling block or a source of division.
I saw the term 'lone wolf' mentioned in the other thread related to this subject. Hell, I believe every one of us are. Although each and every one of us unequivocally support the Constitution and liberty as it was intended, each one of us is our 'own man'.
It is my hope that you will reconsider. Even if you do not, I have absolutely no doubt that you will continue to be the strong advocate of liberty that you have been thus far,
Brother Jeff.[:)]0 -
Jeff:
I understand perfectly.
After the minor dust-up when I voted against the Brethren on an inductee, however, I came to the opposite conclusion.
My take on those events was that regardless of what was transpiring in the day to day, I desired to maintain my association with you gentlemen, specifically because that is how everyone behaved.
IMO, your views create no stumbling block, and have created no division, as they are presented within an atmosphere of mutual respect.
All the best, Brother.0 -
DAMIT.....just...damit. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
I have reflected on the recent discussions over membership and how to gain it. I fully understand the positions that have been laid out by the various members.
It has been a rewarding and enjoyable association, for me and I have gained some new friends and some knowledge.
My views and my stance on membership are simply an impediment to gaining what are likely quality and productive new Brethren. I will not attempt to dictate, or cajole, my brothers into adopting some rule, or practice of exclusion that goes against the general wishes and desires of the Brethren, nor is this individualist going to compromise on what I see as a very important distinction in membership standards.
That said, I am stepping down as No. 4 in the Brethren. Better to do so whilst in good spirits, in good camaraderie and on my terms, than to leave in frustration and under less than favorable terms at some point in the future.
A purely personal decision, based on a reflection of who and what I am and what the Brethren means to me. There is no animosity or hard-feelings from me toward the Brethren, or toward any individual member.
Simply put, I have views and positions that are not conducive to 'belonging' to any group. I recognize that these views may be seen as 'elitist', albeit without that intent, from me. This then, is the beauty of voluntary association and of rugged-individualism.
So be it.
You are all good men, you are all stalwart individualists and you will carry on with the continuing fight in the name of the Brethren.
I will be standing next to you in this battle against collectivism and will be posting right beside you, just without the name of Canary Ass.
It is important to me that you understand why I am taking this action, at least those that care. This move is no reflection on the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass, but, rather, is being made to allow me to maintain my self-set standard and to remove my positions, views and desires from being a stumbling block, or a source of division.
You all remain Brothers to me.[:)]
I hope you reconsider because your input and reasoning is of sound mind. I see no conflict just an Honest man and I totally respect that!0 -
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damn el-tee, that came out of nowhere. You make pefect sense with your reasoning but in no way do i think you were ever an impedement on the new member process. It is necessary to have different thoughts and ideas to bring to the table. Sure wish you would reconsider. You will always be known as #4 to me. 0 -
I appreciate the sentiments expressed, really.[:)]
A short characterization from a 'me' perspective may be in order, for understandings sake. Indulge me for a moment, if you will.......
Mayhap my characterization of my being a stumbling block or an impediment was not appropriately used. The issue being more internalized and personal to me, rather than to the Brethren, is more accurate.
As most of you know and as most of you are yourselves, I am a man of strong opinion, strict stances and a man who, once a situation is pondered and assessed, will be decisive and stick to that decision.
Rather than argue, attempt to cajole, or complain about what the entry process was/is/will be, I took some time to be self-reflective on exactly my stance and my willingness to compromise my strongly held position.
Well, there simply is no compromise within me in most areas, never really has been on such issues. Simply put, this is a 'me' thing, not reflective to, or on, anyone else.
The end result would likely have been 'my' increasing frustration over an 'internal' set of standards that, to me, represent the idea and ideal of The Brethren.
Before anyone starts down the path of my judgment on anothers writing ability, that is not the issue; composition/content of the 'message' and its 'understandability' to and impact on others, is the bar 'I' have set in my 'ideal' that is The Brethren.
In addition, I oft sidetrack into squabbling in a somewhat 'petty' manner, which is certainly not a proper reflection on The Brethren, yet, being a member, the broad-brush is used by many who see the petty back and forth.
Bottom-line, this is entirely an issue within me, not any member, initiate, potential initiate, or other factor.
If all this makes me an 'elitist', so be it. I am what I am and I make no apology for that simple fact.
I am still with you my Brothers, in philosophy, in fact and in spirit, yet not in 'group/name'.
Hope that clarifies things, for it really is important to me to have that understanding from my brothers, if not agreement.0 -
10-4 el-tee. I accept it as it is.....reluctantly though. 0 -
Captain I understand where you are coming from. I understand why you are stepping down.
No hard feeling from me. You are STILL a brother to me. Allways will be.0 -
Hate to see you remove your name! Brothers we will always be! I understand for sure, best.
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quote:Originally posted by lt496
I appreciate the sentiments expressed, really.[:)]
A short characterization from a 'me' perspective may be in order, for understandings sake. Indulge me for a moment, if you will.......
Mayhap my characterization of my being a stumbling block or an impediment was not appropriately used. The issue being more internalized and personal to me, rather than to the Brethren, is more accurate.
As most of you know and as most of you are yourselves, I am a man of strong opinion, strict stances and a man who, once a situation is pondered and assessed, will be decisive and stick to that decision.
Rather than argue, attempt to cajole, or complain about what the entry process was/is/will be, I took some time to be self-reflective on exactly my stance and my willingness to compromise my strongly held position.
Well, there simply is no compromise within me in most areas, never really has been on such issues. Simply put, this is a 'me' thing, not reflective to, or on, anyone else.
The end result would likely have been 'my' increasing frustration over an 'internal' set of standards that, to me, represent the idea and ideal of The Brethren.
Before anyone starts down the path of my judgment on anothers writing ability, that is not the issue; composition/content of the 'message' and its 'understandability' to and impact on others, is the bar 'I' have set in my 'ideal' that is The Brethren.
In addition, I oft sidetrack into squabbling in a somewhat 'petty' manner, which is certainly not a proper reflection on The Brethren, yet, being a member, the broad-brush is used by many who see the petty back and forth.
Bottom-line, this is entirely an issue within me, not any member, initiate, potential initiate, or other factor.
If all this makes me an 'elitist', so be it. I am what I am and I make no apology for that simple fact.
I am still with you my Brothers, in philosophy, in fact and in spirit, yet not in 'group/name'.
Hope that clarifies things, for it really is important to me to have that understanding from my brothers, if not agreement.
Independence of thought is necessary for the success of a country that is founded upon the supremacy of the individual.
If, at any point, one feels his actions run contrary to the encouragement of the independent thought of himself or others, that person must re-evaluate his path.
FWIW, Jeff, and I hope it is worth something, you have my understanding and respect.0 -
quote:FWIW, Jeff, and I hope it is worth something, you have my understanding and respect.
Don, you do not know how much your opinion, respect and understanding mean to me.
That sentence is of immeasurable value to me. Thank you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
quote:Originally posted by lt496
I have reflected on the recent discussions over membership and how to gain it. I fully understand the positions that have been laid out by the various members.
It has been a rewarding and enjoyable association, for me and I have gained some new friends and some knowledge.
My views and my stance on membership are simply an impediment to gaining what are likely quality and productive new Brethren. I will not attempt to dictate, or cajole, my brothers into adopting some rule, or practice of exclusion that goes against the general wishes and desires of the Brethren, nor is this individualist going to compromise on what I see as a very important distinction in membership standards.
That said, I am stepping down as No. 4 in the Brethren. Better to do so whilst in good spirits, in good camaraderie and on my terms, than to leave in frustration and under less than favorable terms at some point in the future.
A purely personal decision, based on a reflection of who and what I am and what the Brethren means to me. There is no animosity or hard-feelings from me toward the Brethren, or toward any individual member.
Simply put, I have views and positions that are not conducive to 'belonging' to any group. I recognize that these views may be seen as 'elitist', albeit without that intent, from me. This then, is the beauty of voluntary association and of rugged-individualism.
So be it.
You are all good men, you are all stalwart individualists and you will carry on with the continuing fight in the name of the Brethren.
I will be standing next to you in this battle against collectivism and will be posting right beside you, just without the name of Canary Ass.
It is important to me that you understand why I am taking this action, at least those that care. This move is no reflection on the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass, but, rather, is being made to allow me to maintain my self-set standard and to remove my positions, views and desires from being a stumbling block, or a source of division.
You all remain Brothers to me.[:)]
Damn[V]
But I understand. However, I do not see your positions, views, or desires as either a stumbling block or a source of division.
I saw the term 'lone wolf' mentioned in the other thread related to this subject. Hell, I believe every one of us are. Although each and every one of us unequivocally support the Constitution and liberty as it was intended, each one of us is our 'own man'.
It is my hope that you will reconsider. Even if you do not, I have absolutely no doubt that you will continue to be the strong advocate of liberty that you have been thus far,
Brother Jeff.[:)]
I appreciate your thoughts Shane, I really do. You are and will remain, my Brother.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
DAMIT.....just...damit.
Highball, I want you of all people to understand that this has zero to do with you. I did the best I could to explain my thoughts and reasoning.
I hope it was enough to not alienate any of you.
I hold you in the highest regard and you also will remain, to me, my Brother.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Deadred707
[:(] Sad day
Brother Deadred[:)]. I will remain side by side in the fight, with all of you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by brickmaster1248
10-4 el-tee. I accept it as it is.....reluctantly though.
Your reluctance is like a salve to my discomfort over the potential of alienating any of you. You are a good man and also my Brother in liberty.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
Captain I understand where you are coming from. I understand why you are stepping down.
No hard feeling from me. You are STILL a brother to me. Allways will be.
James, your understanding is also much appreciated by me and I had hoped that you would have no hard feelings.[:)]
No doubt, you are also my Brother in liberty and will so remain.0 -
quote:Originally posted by zink
Hate to see you remove your name! Brothers we will always be! I understand for sure, best.
Lance
Brother Lance.[:)] You too will remain so to me.
I also am relieved that you understand my position.0 -
my take(as if you cared):
if you canary asses cant stick together with your own philosophy how do you expect us that have "similar" beliefs supposed to do it.
i agree with about 95% of what you guys say and i dont want to see you guys split up but man, since you have started you have lost 3 members. well i guess that means i am not quite so different in my thinking that a little bit of your thinking is a hair off. although i didn't agree 100% i wanted your group to hang around and be a little harder core than myself to help educate others even a little bit.
just because our views are a little bit different doesnt mean we dont all want the same goal for this country and its people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
my take(as if you cared):
if you canary asses cant stick together with your own philosophy how do you expect us that have "similar" beliefs supposed to do it.
i agree with about 95% of what you guys say and i dont want to see you guys split up but man, since you have started you have lost 3 members. well i guess that means i am not quite so different in my thinking that a little bit of your thinking is a hair off. although i didn't agree 100% i wanted your group to hang around and be a little harder core than myself to help educate others even a little bit.
just because our views are a little bit different doesnt mean we dont all want the same goal for this country and its people.
As it relates to the content of your post, of course I care what you think.
My stepping down is unrelated in any manner to any philosophical difference between any of us.
A firm understanding of what 'rugged-individualism' comprises, is necessary, I suspect, to fully grasp the whole Brethren thingy.
I would suggest that you actually read my several detailed explanations in this thread. It should bring clarity to your understanding of the issue.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shootuadeal
my take(as if you cared):
if you canary asses cant stick together with your own philosophy how do you expect us that have "similar" beliefs supposed to do it.
i agree with about 95% of what you guys say and i dont want to see you guys split up but man, since you have started you have lost 3 members. well i guess that means i am not quite so different in my thinking that a little bit of your thinking is a hair off. although i didn't agree 100% i wanted your group to hang around and be a little harder core than myself to help educate others even a little bit.
just because our views are a little bit different doesnt mean we dont all want the same goal for this country and its people.
Since we started, we have gained approximately 15 members and lost 3. It is important to note that the three that left are all on good terms with those that remain, and there is no feeling of 'splitting up' as you put it. Equally important is the fact that there exists little to no difference in the philosophical beliefs of current and past members. There a differences in approach, which, IMO is both necessary and healthy, as a hard-line approach will work with some, and a, for lack of a better word, gentler approach is necessary for others.
I think, (and obviously I do not speak for all CA members) one thing that my association with the GB Forums has shown me is that we gunowners do not all really have the same goals for this country and its people. Most of us Asses believe that if you are free to walk the streets, you are my equal, and it is not Government's purpose or purview to decide otherwise. This concept is at the heart of the arguments over the 2nd Amendment, and failing to support this position is the acceptance of, and acquiescence to, Government control and infringement of this precious right.
I know of no CA Member, past or present, that believes otherwise.0 -
Originally posted by shootuadeal
my take(as if you cared):
if you canary asses cant stick together with your own philosophy how do you expect us that have "similar" beliefs supposed to do it.
i agree with about 95% of what you guys say and i dont want to see you guys split up but man, since you have started you have lost 3 members. well i guess that means i am not quite so different in my thinking that a little bit of your thinking is a hair off. although i didn't agree 100% i wanted your group to hang around and be a little harder core than myself to help educate others even a little bit.
just because our views are a little bit different doesnt mean we dont all want the same goal for this country and its people.
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(Only My two cents Here) to what this gentlemen is saying, I strongly believe in my heart as most all free men believe!, The last few month's I have learned allot about what is in my heart, it was always there but remember guy's we all at one time have been victims of the media, Society and other's that have been hypnotized by the constant spew of the many.
It is part of why Hitler was able to take over the way he did. Some people still have not woke from that one. I concede It has been a slow awaking but a true one. The CA'S rather you intended or not have brought many to the truth and I still will support you and the Constitution too my last breath.0 -
As a former CA member, I wanted to clarify something. Although my name is removed from the roster any and all C.A.'s are welcome at my table anytime, or a hand in time of need.
The message of the C.A.'s is still one with my own, and their are no hard feelings in the group. One can be an individual, and share very strong core belief's.0 -
Dang Captain sorry to hear. I can relate though about belonging to a group. I myself have always marched to the beat of my own drum. That is one reason I don't participate in some of the CA discussions, votes, etc. I just don't function well in a group,but I'm always here. I have the deepest respect for you Captain, and you'll always be a brother on my list. 0 -
496 you mentioned the term elitist more than once. Though I am not a CA and feel this thread should be open to all(I'm not saying it isn't)but I don't want to but in, however I feel the need to express my opinion of such a moral person as yourself.
I have read many of your posts and agree with 99.999% of them no matter what the topic. I don't post here as much as many of you but I just wanted to say IF most would have the intergrity,morals,ethics and the self confidence/induvidualism that you do this world/country would be as close to perfect as it could possibly be.
Your wisdom in your thoughts and words are an inspiration to me to know that I'm among common beliefs. I do not have the savvy ability to express my beliefs they way you can but the way you compose the words to describe the moral way of life is exactly what I believe.
To me your an inspiration and not anything close to an elitist. It's a shame that in todays world someone with morals/ethics are often labeled elite. That's how far down the road to hell we have gone.
Anyway just my 2c worth and thanks again for being a decent human being.0 -
Dang. With all the slobbering you all are doing over each other (brother this, brother that) a new reader might think you guys have actually done something over the last several months. A new reader might even mistakenly believe that many of you have ACTUALLY MET EACH OTHER IN PERSON. Or that you asses have actually done something for gun rights other than set behind the comfort of your keyboards and post your boasting, critical thoughts.
In regards to so many of you bragging about being "lone wolfs" or "rugged individuals" or "marching to your own drum beat", try that as a soldier on the battle field, standing shoulder to shoulder with his fellow soldiers, getting ready to try and repel an enemy attack. See where "going or doing things your own way" gets you in a case like that.
And that is the situation we gun people face. The anti-gun crowd is a well organized army who work together to try and take away our gun rights. Yet many of you here refuse to work together, like soldiers on a battle field, in an attempt to defeat the anti-gun people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Dang. With all the slobbering you all are doing over each other (brother this, brother that) a new reader might think you guys have actually done something over the last several months. A new reader might even mistakenly believe that many of you have ACTUALLY MET EACH OTHER IN PERSON. Or that you asses have actually done something for gun rights other than set behind the comfort of your keyboards and post your boasting, critical thoughts.
In regards to so many of you bragging about being "lone wolfs" or "rugged individuals" or "marching to your own drum beat", try that as a soldier on the battle field, standing shoulder to shoulder with his fellow soldiers, getting ready to try and repel an enemy attack. See where "going or doing things your own way" gets you in a case like that.
And that is the situation we gun people face. The anti-gun crowd is a well organized army who work together to try and take away our gun rights. Yet many of you here refuse to work together, like soldiers on a battle field, in an attempt to defeat the anti-gun people.
That is an large assumption on your part. What makes you think we have NOT met each other? I have met a lot of people from the forums.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Dang. With all the slobbering you all are doing over each other (brother this, brother that) a new reader might think you guys have actually done something over the last several months. A new reader might even mistakenly believe that many of you have ACTUALLY MET EACH OTHER IN PERSON. Or that you asses have actually done something for gun rights other than set behind the comfort of your keyboards and post your boasting, critical thoughts.
In regards to so many of you bragging about being "lone wolfs" or "rugged individuals" or "marching to your own drum beat", try that as a soldier on the battle field, standing shoulder to shoulder with his fellow soldiers, getting ready to try and repel an enemy attack. See where "going or doing things your own way" gets you in a case like that.
And that is the situation we gun people face. The anti-gun crowd is a well organized army who work together to try and take away our gun rights. Yet many of you here refuse to work together, like soldiers on a battle field, in an attempt to defeat the anti-gun people.
I thought better of my reply and decided NOT to lower myself to your standards.
Lance0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Dang. With all the slobbering you all are doing over each other (brother this, brother that) a new reader might think you guys have actually done something over the last several months.
Pointing out the failures of others is much more effective when you can contrast it with your own success.
So what exactly have you managed to accomplish in the name of gun rights, individual freedoms, etc?0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
Dang. With all the slobbering you all are doing over each other (brother this, brother that) a new reader might think you guys have actually done something over the last several months. A new reader might even mistakenly believe that many of you have ACTUALLY MET EACH OTHER IN PERSON. Or that you asses have actually done something for gun rights other than set behind the comfort of your keyboards and post your boasting, critical thoughts.
In regards to so many of you bragging about being "lone wolfs" or "rugged individuals" or "marching to your own drum beat", try that as a soldier on the battle field, standing shoulder to shoulder with his fellow soldiers, getting ready to try and repel an enemy attack. See where "going or doing things your own way" gets you in a case like that.
And that is the situation we gun people face. The anti-gun crowd is a well organized army who work together to try and take away our gun rights. Yet many of you here refuse to work together, like soldiers on a battle field, in an attempt to defeat the anti-gun people.
Stuff a sock in it!
What would you have us do, tr? Support/work with an organization that puts profit ahead of principle?
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