U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals - Mandatory
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the federal, state or local government can require all citizens to register their firearms under penalty of law.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/taking_liberties/entry5253857.shtml
When that day does come (God, may it be long after I am dead), the vast majority of us will go along quietly. The mantras will be, "better to register and keep them, than invite confrontation and lose them, or home, loved ones or life itself" or "live to fight another day"...as if anyone would. Just like the majority of members on the many gun forums who believe it's prudent to take a politically correct stance on open carry at political events, most of us are frogs in the ever warming water. Appeasement will be the order of the day, and even the beloved NRA will advise us to cooperate with the authorities, while of course peacefully voicing our extreme displeasure.
At that time, the first man to confront the authorities on this issue will no doubt be as quickly cast to the wolves by our own as by our enemies, using the very same argument as the one used in the case cited above. God forbid we exercise or defend a God-given right at the risk of offending some soccer mom's gun sensibilities, and of course, we must always operate within the law (or, as is more often the case today, even the color of law), lest we be branded "nut-balls" (perish the thought!).
As for our police and standing army, I have every confidence that they will faithfully carry out the orders of their commanding officers (at the expense of their sworn oath). When given the choice, very few will risk the security of their own lives, wives and children to stand on a principle, no matter how core it is to our way of life. History repeats itself. Their response is predictable and well documented.
We are losing, and will inevitably lose this war. The time for us to have definitively secured the right (which should have never come in to question in the first place), has long since passed us by. The minor battles we think we've won have little to do with securing a right, on the contrary, they've only managed to reduce what was a right into a government controlled and taxed privilege. And we all do love our little privilege permits so much, don't we? So likewise, we will all cherish our new certificate of registration, which records each of our firearms. And every year, we will gladly render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's (That'll be $35 for each long gun, and $60 each for each handgun...please make your check payable to the BATFE and include your SS# on the check. Failure to pay on time could result in confiscation of your firearms and permanent loss of your right to keep and bear arms [as if one existed]).
As if.
Your humble nut-ball,
Fitz
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/taking_liberties/entry5253857.shtml
When that day does come (God, may it be long after I am dead), the vast majority of us will go along quietly. The mantras will be, "better to register and keep them, than invite confrontation and lose them, or home, loved ones or life itself" or "live to fight another day"...as if anyone would. Just like the majority of members on the many gun forums who believe it's prudent to take a politically correct stance on open carry at political events, most of us are frogs in the ever warming water. Appeasement will be the order of the day, and even the beloved NRA will advise us to cooperate with the authorities, while of course peacefully voicing our extreme displeasure.
At that time, the first man to confront the authorities on this issue will no doubt be as quickly cast to the wolves by our own as by our enemies, using the very same argument as the one used in the case cited above. God forbid we exercise or defend a God-given right at the risk of offending some soccer mom's gun sensibilities, and of course, we must always operate within the law (or, as is more often the case today, even the color of law), lest we be branded "nut-balls" (perish the thought!).
As for our police and standing army, I have every confidence that they will faithfully carry out the orders of their commanding officers (at the expense of their sworn oath). When given the choice, very few will risk the security of their own lives, wives and children to stand on a principle, no matter how core it is to our way of life. History repeats itself. Their response is predictable and well documented.
We are losing, and will inevitably lose this war. The time for us to have definitively secured the right (which should have never come in to question in the first place), has long since passed us by. The minor battles we think we've won have little to do with securing a right, on the contrary, they've only managed to reduce what was a right into a government controlled and taxed privilege. And we all do love our little privilege permits so much, don't we? So likewise, we will all cherish our new certificate of registration, which records each of our firearms. And every year, we will gladly render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's (That'll be $35 for each long gun, and $60 each for each handgun...please make your check payable to the BATFE and include your SS# on the check. Failure to pay on time could result in confiscation of your firearms and permanent loss of your right to keep and bear arms [as if one existed]).
As if.
Your humble nut-ball,
Fitz
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Don't feel so disheartened. We haven't lost yet, not by a long shot. The battles we choose to fight usualy end up in small victories. Inevitably, yes, they will take and take without ever feeling satisfied and allowing themselves only a small grin before someone else comes up with more ways to hardball us. It's the nature of the beast we are up against. But to say we have lost is too past tense for me. Losing, well, depends on the battles you fight.
BTW welcome to the forums0 -
quote:Originally posted by fitzx2
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the federal, state or local government can require all citizens to register their firearms under penalty of law.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/taking_liberties/entry5253857.shtml
When that day does come (God, may it be long after I am dead)..,
Asking our children and grandchildren to fight our battles?
Please consider the following (Thomas Paine):
'If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.'0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by fitzx2
A three-judge panel of the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the federal, state or local government can require all citizens to register their firearms under penalty of law.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/19/taking_liberties/entry5253857.shtml
When that day does come (God, may it be long after I am dead)..,
Asking our children and grandchildren to fight our battles?
Please consider the following (Thomas Paine):
'If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.'
Yup Don, that's about as far as I got in the OP. That attitude is so cowardly and feminized, it just makes me want to puke. Maybe it was posted by a female, but even a woman should know better than to cast the burden of slavery to her children. I feel very strong about this about this, hence #1 of my sig line. It is the most important ideal to me, not to leave this burden behind for another generation to deal with. That would be the absolute worst legacy we could leave. The founders would not just be disappointed, they would be angry that we have squandered what they gave us. It is a completely self absorbed individual that could see this as "ok". Sickening.0 -
Gee, I was argued with, told, cajoled and hammered repeatedly, that 'Heller' was the Greatest event since Moses came down from the Mount. A handful of us knew exactly what would be the inevitable result and you are seeing it unfold.
Idiots.
That aside, fear not, for this is merely the soft fight.
We should strive for peaceful resolution by all constitutional means, whilst we prepare for the other eventuality. Work for an awakening of those you know, to the reality of what is being foisted on us by globalist-collectivist government.
Learn the true enemy, which is underlying all the hyperbole and party schite being tossed back and forth. Collectivism vs. Individualism.
Government rulings and subsequent actions just like this, will ensure that a real awakening is also inevitable.
Some will only acquiesce to so much before a line is crossed. You'll know when that line is actually crossed. There will be no mistake about it.0 -
Yes but, lt., what is your "plan"?[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Yes but, lt., what is your "plan"?[;)]
[:D][:D][:D]Good one.0 -
quote:That attitude is so cowardly and feminized, it just makes me want to puke. Maybe it was posted by a female, but even a woman should know better than to cast the burden of slavery to her children. ...It is a completely self absorbed individual that could see this as "ok". Sickening.
And just where did I say it was OK? I am neither a female, nor was there anything feminized about my post. The decidedly depressed tone was written after I read 16 pages in another gun forum, where the vast majority of thumb sucking panty-waists that post there felt that the recent open carry "incidents" at Obama appearances was inappropriate. I was simply pointing out that its gun owners themselve who are to blame for the loss of our freedoms and the trampling of our God-given 2A right. A right not exercised is a right waiting to be taken away. These types are enamoured with playing PC games while their country goes to hell. Rather than water the tree of liberty, they will choose to comply with the state.
Furthermore, I never suggested that we leave this fight to our children or grandchildren. On the contrary, this had better be our fight today. Sadly, the majority of gun owning NRA members aren't worth a damn to the fight. Scape 'em off, because they will be the very one's who knuckle under and submit to their masters in D.C. (and will turn in guys like me who will not submit).
I simply painted a picture of the reality fellas. You can dream on if you think you have numbers on your side. Our numbers are small. The water is warming and the frogs are swimming in it.
Some of the big talkers here will do the same when faced with a choice between liberty and slavery. You'll talk a big game today, but when the time comes, will we be able to count on you? Maybe 10% of you...maybe.
Fitz0 -
Fitz, I was responding to ...
quote:When that day does come (God, may it be long after I am dead), the vast majority of us will go along quietly.
Now I think I may stand corrected? Maybe? I dunno??
It is simple though, I would rather be dead, than a slave.0 -
Yep, I figured that. Look, I hope you guys will start to be able to regognize those of us who are with you from those who are not. There are few of us out there. Too few to be shooting our own.
My attitude is "bring it on". Lets get this over with now. But I am getting older, and our adversary is wiley. He knows we are here, and he also knows that as time goes on, we are dying off, and some of us are losing the will to persevere. They have time of their side as younger generations can't tell you who our founding fathers were, much less what they stood for and expected out of their descendants. Kids today love money and instant gratification more than anything. They are more than willing to trade the freedom many died to preserve, which they know nothing about, for the lie of a socialist utopia, where freedom doesnt exist.
Now, having said that, let me explain my meaning. Its not that I seek to pass this on to my grandchildren, its that I don't want to live to see the day when men (who are not men) willing submit to registration and ultimately confiscation of our firearms. In my heart I truly do believe that the numbers of us who will resist is miniscule, and that we will be betrayed by the gun owner next door.
Let it be soon, while I have the ability to join the fight, or God, please let me be dead so as not to see this once great country become like France or Great Britain.0 -
FITZ I AM 35 AND I HAVE TWO SONS WHO ADORE AND HONOR THEIR GREAT-GRANDFATHER AT THE BATTLE OF THE BULDGE THEY AS WELL AS I CAN SHOOT AND HIT WHAT WE WANT, FIRED UPON OR NOT WE WILL STAND AND FIGHT AS SURE AS OUR BLOOD IS AS RED AS MY GRANDFATHERS WE WILL HONOR ALL WHO HAS FOUGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS! EVERY ONE OF THEM DAMNIT.............. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fitzx2
Yep, I figured that. Look, I hope you guys will start to be able to regognize those of us who are with you from those who are not. There are few of us out there. Too few to be shooting our own...
Very good. I am sorry I misunderstood.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fitzx2
Yep, I figured that. Look, I hope you guys will start to be able to regognize those of us who are with you from those who are not. There are few of us out there. Too few to be shooting our own.
My attitude is "bring it on". Lets get this over with now. But I am getting older, and our adversary is wiley. He knows we are here, and he also knows that as time goes on, we are dying off, and some of us are losing the will to persevere. They have time of their side as younger generations can't tell you who our founding fathers were, much less what they stood for and expected out of their descendants. Kids today love money and instant gratification more than anything. They are more than willing to trade the freedom many died to preserve, which they know nothing about, for the lie of a socialist utopia, where freedom doesnt exist.
Now, having said that, let me explain my meaning. Its not that I seek to pass this on to my grandchildren, its that I don't want to live to see the day when men (who are not men) willing submit to registration and ultimately confiscation of our firearms. In my heart I truly do believe that the numbers of us who will resist is miniscule, and that we will be betrayed by the gun owner next door.
Let it be soon, while I have the ability to join the fight, or God, please let me be dead so as not to see this once great country become like France or Great Britain.
HB is that you?[;)]0 -
I'm always a little cautious around folks that start talking about this kind of stuff on an open internet forum. Too many agents around looking to gather intel, and it's pretty darn easy to find out personal information about each and every person who posts here.
There's an ill wind blowing through the Federal Government Administration, as well as Federal law enforcement. Too much name gathering, too much data collection on certain groups, a great deal of unscrupulous digging into backgrounds of normal citizens.
I would never suggest anyone by untrue to their feelings and personal desires, BUT - I WOULD suggest practicing a bit of discretion when posting on an open, public forum.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Tech141
I'm always a little cautious around folks that start talking about this kind of stuff on an open internet forum. Too many agents around looking to gather intel, and it's pretty darn easy to find out personal information about each and every person who posts here.
There's an ill wind blowing through the Federal Government Administration, as well as Federal law enforcement. Too much name gathering, too much data collection on certain groups, a great deal of unscrupulous digging into backgrounds of normal citizens.
I would never suggest anyone by untrue to their feelings and personal desires, BUT - I WOULD suggest practicing a bit of discretion when posting on an open, public forum.
Why would you sat that?
We're all anonymous here.[:)]
On a serious note, there are two sides to this coin. While it is true that the beast is growing and is no doubt gathering information, the fact that there are many who are on record as being determined to resist, and even rebel as a last resort, sends a valuable signal to our would-be masters that it will not be a cakewalk.
Years ago, when I was purchasing perhaps my 10th weapon, my wife asked, while at the counter, if I was afraid that I was going to be put on some sort of list. My response then (and I still feel the same way) was that I have no problem being on some-one's list. It will make them think twice before doing anything stupid.0 -
Try as I might I can not argue that any point in the original post is wrong after reading it twice. I hope a lot of it is wrong especially that we will lose the war. Hopefully a gun loving dirt poor Einstien who excels in politics and social science will surface to lead a peaceful campaign. Else the opposition will continue to use divide and conquor techniques to eliminate the gun nuts one at a time or in handfuls. 0
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