Right to Carry ACT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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quote:Well what is one to do
One continues to drive a wedge between ordinary, decent folks and the spoilers of the Republic anywhere, anytime it is possible.
Naturally, this requires one to educate themselves...and ruthlessly eradicate every trace of government propaganda as is possible within oneself.
Then, one prepares themselves and the people around them to exploit that crack when it widens enough to push the elites off their throne.
At that point, we the people can once again assume our rightful position as Sovereign citizens..Masters of the government.
One CERTAINLY does not start cheering wildly when the State determines that `reasonable gun controls are Constitutional'..(Heller).
One does NOT cheer when CCW is proclaimed to a `Right'.
EVERY TIME that decent ordinary citizens fill out paperwork to buy a gun, carry a gun, beg permission to even OWN a gun ..we add to the suffocating load of servitude we suffer under ..and weaken the case for "Shall Not Be Infringed".
The simple, BRUTAL truth ;
We the People, since 1934, have so weakened the Second ..any Court will look at 70 years of people begging to own weapons as `case history' ..as to make only ONE solution possible to regain control of America in any fashion similar to what the Founders visioned.
I leave it to you to understand what that method is.0 -
Yup. 0 -
"The Second Amendment IS my concealed carry permit" 0 -
quote:Congress has usurped its authority in every sector of our life. Where does the Constitution give them the right for health care or prescription drugs? They don't have the right; they took it because that's what the people wanted.Not meaning to hijack anything, but the only "people" who might have wanted the above are the standard entitlement crowd (millions of them here in Georgia, especially around Atlanta) or blind party hacks who have bought the "free high-quality health care" lie. 0 -
If the Federal Government is allowed to regulate states on general gun laws, watch out. The laws will be a changin' just like the times. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
quote:Congress has usurped its authority in every sector of our life. Where does the Constitution give them the right for health care or prescription drugs? They don't have the right; they took it because that's what the people wanted.Not meaning to hijack anything, but the only "people" who might have wanted the above are the standard entitlement crowd (millions of them here in Georgia, especially around Atlanta) or blind party hacks who have bought the "free high-quality health care" lie.
That's the problem. Just wait until the "blind party hacks" buy into the lie that it is guns that kill and and not the people behind the gun. Then the mass of the people want the guns gone and where does that leave us?0 -
They already have, and they are not "the mass of the people." 0 -
Yep, they are the ones that don't believe in the Constitution or the 2nd amendment, and they are the ones that will destroy our country. God help us all.[:(] 0 -
July 27, 2009
The Thune Amendment: Welcome to the Masquerade
A few weeks back, I sent you an email about the NRA's national concealed carry bill that certain Republicans were trying to attach to the speech-regulating "hate crimes" legislation.
In that message, I wrote about many of the dangers posed by the NRA's original proposal to federalize our CCW system -- and they are myriad.
(I've provided a link to NAGR's original statement on the problems with the NRA's plan at the bottom of this email in case you want to read or reread it.)
But just last week, there was a new national reciprocity bill on gun owners' minds -- and on the Senate floor: The Thune amendment.
As you probably know, it failed by two votes.
And I'd like to tell you why.
It wasn't a "lack of unity" in the Republican party that led to the Thune amendment's 58-39 demise: The Thune amendment was never supposed to pass.
The entire process was calculated to fail by faux Republicans and vulnerable Democrats scheming together -- but only after dozens of anti-gunners on both sides of the aisle could exploit the chance to dissemble on the record as gun rights supporters.
It's Washington politics at its finest -- voting "yes" on an ostensibly pro-gun bill orchestrated to die just short of the needed number of votes, but that could still be used to dupe constituents.
This is what happened in a nutshell:
* Knowing that there are not enough votes for passage, Senator Thune proposes the amendment (as cover, we think, for all the faux gun rights supporters in the Senate) with the understanding that Harry Reid will only allow it on the floor if he can get a filibuster threat, thus rendering the amendment impossible to pass.
* Senator Schumer immediately threatens to filibuster (more grandstanding), so now the amendment needs 60 votes to invoke cloture.
(Read between the lines here: The bill did not have enough votes to pass anyway, so all the filibuster threat did was to give these scumbags 9 more "safe" yes votes to parade around.)
* Senators Schumer and Reid secure all the nay votes needed to ensure defeat.
* Then, as guided by Reid and Schumer, Republican and Democrat anti-gunners (especially those in rural or conservative states) seize the opportunity to vote for something none of them actually believe in just to pacify their constituents.
"See! Look! I voted for this bill! I'm pro-gun!"
Senators were literally getting permission from Schumer and Reid to vote for the amendment -- permission because they couldn't surpass 59 votes -- lest the bill actually pass.
(Gasp!)
And remember who cooperated with this whole scheme: None other than Mr. Thune.
Great cover vote, fellas. What integrity.
Don't believe me? I'll let Luke's newest blog post -- which contains the damning snippet from the Washington Post about Mark Pryor's (D-AR) and Chuck Schumer's signal exchange on the Senate floor -- explain the rest.
Click here to read Luke's commentary and leave a comment.
In Liberty,
Dudley Brown
Executive Director
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I would like to read it, however, your link is GONE! Who took that link? Another sneaky politician? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cabnetman
I would like to read it, however, your link is GONE! Who took that link? Another sneaky politician?
Here is the link0 -
quote:Originally posted by cabnetman
I would like to read it, however, your link is GONE! Who took that link? Another sneaky politician?
Heres the link
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/0 -
Once again. It's a right. Not a privalige,(sp?). You don't need permission to exercise a right. And it does not surprise me in the least that the NRA lackeys are for this. They are allways the first to back "common sense" gun control. 0 -
Well, I agree that it's a right and not a privilege. However, I also keep asking myself that if it's a right, then why do I have a CC permit? You all should be asking the same question.[?][?] 0 -
quote:cabnetman
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Posted - 07/30/2009 : 3:53:56 PM
Well, I agree that it's a right and not a privilege. However, I also keep asking myself that if it's a right, then why do I have a CC permit? You all should be asking the same question
The question has been asked..and answered many times on this forum.
Allow me to shorten it ;
The 'greatest generation' came home heros, exhausted after many years of fighting. They rested on their laurels..and allowed their OWN contry to be stolen out from underneath them.
They raised generations of ignorant children..taught them to obey the law. The law was corrupted.
The children were raised cowards, many of them.......and today you see a Nation of them. Cowards.
Slackers.
Shirkers.
Many utterly stupid.
You have a CCW because you live under TYRANNY...and are doing nothing about it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:cabnetman
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63 Posts
Posted - 07/30/2009 : 3:53:56 PM
Well, I agree that it's a right and not a privilege. However, I also keep asking myself that if it's a right, then why do I have a CC permit? You all should be asking the same question
The question has been asked..and answered many times on this forum.
Allow me to shorten it ;
The 'greatest generation' came home heros, exhausted after many years of fighting. They rested on their laurels..and allowed their OWN contry to be stolen out from underneath them.
They raised generations of ignorant children..taught them to obey the law. The law was corrupted.
The children were raised cowards, many of them.......and today you see a Nation of them. Cowards.
Slackers.
Shirkers.
Many utterly stupid.
You have a CCW because you live under TYRANNY...and are doing nothing about it.
Get caught with a concealed weapon and no CCW go to jail, how can we change this? Its easy to point the finger. one should look in the mirror from time to time and ask what can I do to change the laws that take our rights away. Often its easier to talk the talk but are you willing to walk the walk?0 -
First comes mind set.
Begin to grasp that we live under tyranny. A 'soft tyranny, yet..but the hard one is coming.
Obey the laws...all you can stomach.
Gte the CCW..as LONG as you understand that you are obeying TYRANNY ..and not acquiring the 'Right to carry'.
THAT was taken away a long time ago..unless you are willing to accept the consequences of disobeying that tyranny.
Get out of the corrupted political system and prepare yourself and your loved ones for hard times...very hard times.
I see NO VALUE in helping to perpetuate this present system..and HAVEN'T for about 30 years.
The only answer is to work tirelessly to restore the Republic..and that means changing mens minds, one at a time.0 -
I'm willing to walk the walk, but don't know which direction to start walking.[:(!] 0 -
quote:cabnetman
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Posted - 08/03/2009 : 10:46:33 AM
I'm willing to walk the walk, but don't know which direction to start walking
Every man makes his own decisions.
My opinion ;
Obey the laws of the land, as well as you can understand the conflicting maze of them.
You are worth more free then jailed.
Educate yourself on the meaning of the Constitution, and the ideals of the Republic. (Reading this forum would be a splendid start..lots of damn good people posting information on here)
Begin to educate those around you.
Prepare yourself and those around you for hard times. Gather some supplies, and train yourself in disciplines that would be of value in a Third World country.
Understand what the word Tyranny means..and its application to this country today.0 -
Highball,
I am enjoying the forum and you're right, there is a lot of good people and great ideas being tossed around here.
I hear a lot of complaints here regarding the NRA. Understand that I have no misconceptions about them; however, I am a supporter of the NRA and for these reasons. There is no perfect anything, and 90% of what they believe in, is in line with my beliefs. They have the political clout to influence elections. I don't see or know of any other pro gun organizations (and there are a lot of good ones out there) that come anywhere near their influence. So, my humble feeling is that we need to support them, and just as we are trying to change the government, we need to be working just as hard to change the NRA and bring it in line with what the 2nd says. I think that any of the leaders in the NRA are pro 2nd amendment and they are just trying to get the best laws that can be had for us. Sometimes, coming in 2nd is better than coming in last.
My concern is, that we have the attitude that we will only settle for the best, i.e. exactly what the constitution says and we can take that attitude right down the slippery slope to where we no longer have any gun rights. A very sad day in America when that happens. Of course, these are only my opinions.0 -
cabnetman ;
Yours is a common viewpoint among gun owners.
I believe it to be wrong...deadly wrong.
I believe , after witnessing the last 50 years, that that viewpoint will eventually so water down the Second that there will come a time we have no guns at all.
Period.
I believe that the only way to keep a government in line is when THEY fear the people. Their only reason to fear the people is because those people are fully armed..and prepared to take this country away from them.
One cannot accomplish this when government knows every gun owner, all their weapons, and those armed people are bowing and scrapping to their Masters.
'The Bill of Rights' is JUST THAT....RIGHTS. Not to be touched by slimy, sleazy madmen in government.
I see no `Bill of Privileges' when I read the Constitution and related documents....0 -
From a well known NRA member "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS" Charlton Heston
We have CC permits now because that's the law. We fill out all the required paper work to buy a gun, because that's the law. We can only sell or buy guns thru an FFL dealer, because that's the law. It's not what the second says, far from it, but it's the law. I don't like it, but we can still have our guns.
I was raised in an era when I took my 30-06 to school and set it in the corner of the class room and after school, went to the woods behind the school deer hunting, and no one gave it a second thought. That's where we need to be today. Yes, the bills of rights is just that and so is the constitution, but try and tell that to our law makers. We need to fight like hell to change the laws and I can't do it by myself nor can you. So, as I've said, like it or not, we need someone like the NRA with their clout to help change the law. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any other way to make it happen.0 -
cabnetman, have you read this thread?
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Very interesting. Well I guess what all of us NRA members should do is just cancel are membership. That'll teach em.
Looks like if we want to be able to own guns in the future, we're going to have to move to Afghanistan, Pakistan or Somalia. Not really a place I would like to raise me kids in.0 -
It's been said many times and many ways, but...while it seems like a "good" thing to have a national CCW law, guess whose hands the control of the law winds up in? Yep, you guessed...the Executive Branch of government, meaning Obama, Holder, etc. Are you ready for that? Sneaky bustards...pass a national CCW law, then control it! It takes the rights of the states away. I'll vote for state-by-state reciprocity, thank you. We need more states rights and much less federal government. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by OLDCOP
It's been said many times and many ways, but...while it seems like a "good" thing to have a national CCW law, guess whose hands the control of the law winds up in? Yep, you guessed...the Executive Branch of government, meaning Obama, Holder, etc. Are you ready for that? Sneaky bustards...pass a national CCW law, then control it! It takes the rights of the states away. I'll vote for state-by-state reciprocity, thank you. We need more states rights and much less federal government.
quote:Could not have said it better!0 -
quote:Originally posted by OLDCOP
It's been said many times and many ways, but...while it seems like a "good" thing to have a national CCW law, guess whose hands the control of the law winds up in? Yep, you guessed...the Executive Branch of government, meaning Obama, Holder, etc. Are you ready for that? Sneaky bustards...pass a national CCW law, then control it! It takes the rights of the states away. I'll vote for state-by-state reciprocity, thank you. We need more states rights and much less federal government.
Well that's certainly the other side of the coin that I didn't see. Thank for turning over the coin.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by cabnetman
Very interesting. Well I guess what all of us NRA members should do is just cancel are membership. That'll teach em.
Well, that's a start. I did, because I refuse to align with any organization who attempts to undermine the RTKBA.
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Looks like if we want to be able to own guns in the future, we're going to have to move to Afghanistan, Pakistan or Somalia. Not really a place I would like to raise me kids in.
Not I.
I was born here (and I have an original birth certificate to prove it), raised here, and I intend on staying. This is my home, and it is where I will raise my kids.
And I intend to keep all my firearms, every damn one of them.0 -
quote:So, as I've said, like it or not, we need someone like the NRA with their clout to help change the law. I'm sorry, but I just don't see any other way to make it happen.
Problem is, the only 'laws' that the NRA goes about 'changing' are newly proposed legislation, which further restrict firearms, or further cements the mistaken-belief of gun 'privilege', rather than gun 'rights'.
Also, the NRA does not work to repeal Federal gun-control laws, rather, they continually pressure, lobby and brag about their 'Project-Exile', which is a strict enforcement campaign for Federal Firearms Laws.
Can anyone say "Quisling"?0 -
In my humble opinion I think one of the real important factors that helps roadblock much of the proposed anti-gun legislation is actually the factor that under states rights, the federal government can't force a state to pay the cost of implimenting a federal program. This was a sticking point with the original instant check system. The feds often try to financially blackmail the states to take on programs such as the 55 mile speed limit of years back. They tried to do it by threatening to withold federal highway funds if the states didn't adopt that speed limit. A few of the western states told the feds to kiss their A**, but quite a few complied.
I think it came about from lobby groups representing the insurance industry. I think their concern was more for the folks whose faces are on the bills in their wallets than for the drivers that bought their insurance. Doug the Mug -Follow the money its the REAL motive behind much of this stuff.0
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