The Three Percent Solution (from Highball)
The article Highball suggested for reading.
http://www.gundigest.com/article/gunrights_threepercentsolution/
The Three Percent Solution June 22, 2009
by Charlie Cutshaw
Summary
We are pretty sure where you stand on the debate surrounding gun control, but what are you prepared to do about it?
How many of you are "Three-Percenters?" If you are reading this, you probably should be. OK, what's a Three-Percenter? The term goes all the way back to the American Revolution. During the war for our independence, only approximately a third of the colonists supported the independence cause. Another third didn't care one way or the other and the last third wanted to remain under British rule. Out of those that supported independence and revolution, only some three percent were actively engaged on the battlefield with the full active support of only about 10 percent of those who were pro-independence. Twenty percent of the pro-independence faction did nothing to actively support the cause. This is the root of today's Three Percenter term.
Those of us who currently proclaim ourselves to be Three Percenters make no claim that we actually represent three percent of the population, although we might - nobody knows for certain how many of us there are, but we stand for the Second Amendment, and our support goes far beyond mere words. Three Percenters today are American gun owners who have taken a stand. We WILL NOT disarm. We WILL NOT obey further anti-gun legislation, regardless of its source. We WILL NOT stand for further circumscription of our God-given rights and we WILL defend ourselves if we are attacked. Since our guns are the most effective means of defending ourselves, we WILL NOT surrender them. We are committed to restoring the Republic as envisioned by the Founders and are wiling to fight and to die in defense of ourselves and the Constitution.
I know that these are strong words, but in the words of Thomas Paine, "These are the times that try men's souls." As I wrote a few months ago, what I am currently witnessing is unprecedented in my lifetime, which has spanned more than 65 years. I noted then that Barack Obama was the most anti-gun president in the history of our Republic, but since then, things have gotten worse - much worse. Obama clearly wishes nothing so much as the destruction of our Republic. Don't believe me? Read on. Incidentally, we DO NOT live in a "democracy" as so many in the "lamestream media" would have us believe. A "democracy" is two wolves and a lamb sitting down and taking a vote on what's for dinner. The United States is a Constitutional Republic!
Barack Obama and his far-left cronies are attacking the entire Bill of Rights, not just the Second Amendment. In this essay, I will focus primarily on that aspect of the Obama Administration's anti-liberty attacks, although the entire Bill of Rights is under attack by Obama. There are several anti-gun measures proposed in the House of Representatives, the most draconian of which are HR45, the Blair Holt Firearms Licensing and Record of Sale act of 2009 and HR 2159, described below. You can look at the entire text of HR 45 Here.
Here are the high points:
-A federal license for all handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently owned.
-All handgun and semiautomatic owners must have their thumbprint taken by law enforcement and the owner's signature on a certificate to the effect that the firearms will be stored in an inaccessible location, essentially where they cannot be readily accessed for self-defense.
But wait - we're only getting started! Next is HR 2159, introduced by a REPUBLICAN!
HR 2159 was introduced by Rep Peter King (R-NY) and is titled The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009. Read the full text HERE.
Here is a summary:
- In a nutshell, HR 2159 enables the Attorney General to designate anyone he desires to be a "Dangerous Terrorist" and deny him or her the right to possess firearms. (Note that the DHS Assessment on "Right Wing Extremism" defines almost anyone as a potential "terrorist," especially veterans.) If you attended a "Tea Party" last month or plan to in the future, you can count on being labeled a "terrorist." But as the TV commercials say, "Wait - there's more!"
HR 45 and 2159 are clearly unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped the Obama Administration from its anti-American activities thus far. Besides, by the time these unconstitutional "laws" were challenged and overturned, they would have been fully implemented, although enforcement might be difficult as we will presently see. Obama and his left-wing cronies are well aware of the unconstitutional nature of their proposed "laws" and are seeking to circumvent the Constitution via international treaty. Obama has recently been bringing pressure on the Senate to ratify the "Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing and Trafficking in Firearms," also known as "The Curb Illicit Small Arms Trafficking (CIFTA) Treaty." This treaty was signed by Bill Clinton in 1997 and mandates a national database of firearms owners and registration of all firearms. This database would be accessible to any other signatory nation to the treaty and would essentially allow the government to confiscate guns from those to whom they were registered.
Obama tells us that ratifying the treaty is "the right thing to do" because 29 other countries have ratified it. But as Lou Dobbs commented in a CNN feature on the treaty, "Those countries don't have a Constitution and a Second Amendment." Dobbs' coverage, by the way, was very pro-gun. The good news is that a number of senators are prepared to fight ratification of this egregious treaty.
Another component of The Bill of Rights that Obama and his cronies are attacking is the First Amendment, which recognizes our right to free speech. Obama is attempting to resurrect the "Fairness Doctrine" and make it permanent. Not only will this shut down his critics like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage and others, but will also severely restrict Internet communication that is critical of government. I never imagined that anything like these proposed unconstitutional laws and actions would occur, but they all took place during
Obama's first 100 days.
I suspect that neither the legislation I have described, nor CIFTA will become law, but the fact is that Obama and the left will never give up trying to deny us our God-given, inalienable rights that are protected by the Constitution. What this means is, as Thomas Jefferson said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." In present-day America we must therefore all be aware of what our enemies are doing and make no mistake, Obama and the left ARE our enemies, just as they are enemies to the Republic and the Constitution.
What can you do? Get out to the "Tea Parties" in your communities. Join the NRA if you haven't already. Be vigilant, be informed and perhaps most important, be vocal! Contact your representatives and let them know your beliefs. (You DO know who they are, don't you?) You don't have to write a letter and mail it - they all can be contacted online and they will respond. I know because I make it a point of contacting my representatives on issues that concern me. Speak in defense of America's values, culture and Christian foundation.
It isn't all bad news, though - there are positive straws in the wind. One is Oath Keepers (http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/) a fast-growing organization of law enforcement and military personnel who, like me, swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. I took that oath when I joined the US Army and swore a similar one when I signed on at the police department where I am a reserve police officer. I did not take an oath to uphold the president, the congress, the governor of my state, the mayor of my city or any other politician. My loyalty is to the Constitution and neither I nor any other police officer of my acquaintance will obey or enforce unconstitutional laws. I suggest that you go to the Oath Keepers web site above and read the "10 Laws We Will Not Enforce" section. I have discussed this with officers in my small department and with officers in adjoining jurisdictions and we are all of a single mind - we are in lock step with Oath Keepers and WILL NOT enforce unconstitutional laws, although this leads to another cause for concern.
Obama probably knows that the majority of serving military and law enforcement personnel apparently will not enforce unconstitutional laws and edicts, and so for some time he has been calling for a national police force that he envisions being as well armed and equipped as the military. Why does Obama want a national police force whose loyalty is to him rather than the Constitution? Go back and study history! The last time something like this took place was Germany in the 1930s, the police force was called the Sturm Abteilung (SA) or just "Brown shirts" and the leader of Germany was a guy named Adolph Hitler. The Brown Shirts were his personal enforcers. Don't think Obama is similar to Hitler in his actions?
Compare the similarities between him and Hitler and see for yourself.
Another positive indicator is the "nullification resolutions" that have been passed by some 25 states as of the time this was written in May 2009. The list of states is growing and it appears that we may be headed for a situation similar to that which led to the Civil War of 1861-65. Nullification resolutions state in essence that if the federal government infringes on the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments, the compact established between the state and the federal government by the Constitution is nullified and the state will secede. Nullification resolutions were passed by all eleven states that eventually became the Confederacy. The modern ones are virtually identical and the governors of several states, including Texas, are openly using the "S" word!
If you are in the military or law enforcement, I urge you to remember your oath to the Constitution and reflect on your willingness to enforce orders that clearly violate that oath. I also encourage you to join Oath Keepers. If you are a gun owner who believes in the Second Amendment, the Bill of Rights and our Constitutional Rule of Law, there are two things you should do: First get a copy of the Constitution and read it, especially the first ten amendments - The Bill of Rights, which you should commit to memory. Second, go to the following web site and learn what it means to be a Three Percenter. Click Here
Finally remember the words of Patrick Henry: "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me: Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
http://www.gundigest.com/article/gunrights_threepercentsolution/
The Three Percent Solution June 22, 2009
by Charlie Cutshaw
Summary
We are pretty sure where you stand on the debate surrounding gun control, but what are you prepared to do about it?
How many of you are "Three-Percenters?" If you are reading this, you probably should be. OK, what's a Three-Percenter? The term goes all the way back to the American Revolution. During the war for our independence, only approximately a third of the colonists supported the independence cause. Another third didn't care one way or the other and the last third wanted to remain under British rule. Out of those that supported independence and revolution, only some three percent were actively engaged on the battlefield with the full active support of only about 10 percent of those who were pro-independence. Twenty percent of the pro-independence faction did nothing to actively support the cause. This is the root of today's Three Percenter term.
Those of us who currently proclaim ourselves to be Three Percenters make no claim that we actually represent three percent of the population, although we might - nobody knows for certain how many of us there are, but we stand for the Second Amendment, and our support goes far beyond mere words. Three Percenters today are American gun owners who have taken a stand. We WILL NOT disarm. We WILL NOT obey further anti-gun legislation, regardless of its source. We WILL NOT stand for further circumscription of our God-given rights and we WILL defend ourselves if we are attacked. Since our guns are the most effective means of defending ourselves, we WILL NOT surrender them. We are committed to restoring the Republic as envisioned by the Founders and are wiling to fight and to die in defense of ourselves and the Constitution.
I know that these are strong words, but in the words of Thomas Paine, "These are the times that try men's souls." As I wrote a few months ago, what I am currently witnessing is unprecedented in my lifetime, which has spanned more than 65 years. I noted then that Barack Obama was the most anti-gun president in the history of our Republic, but since then, things have gotten worse - much worse. Obama clearly wishes nothing so much as the destruction of our Republic. Don't believe me? Read on. Incidentally, we DO NOT live in a "democracy" as so many in the "lamestream media" would have us believe. A "democracy" is two wolves and a lamb sitting down and taking a vote on what's for dinner. The United States is a Constitutional Republic!
Barack Obama and his far-left cronies are attacking the entire Bill of Rights, not just the Second Amendment. In this essay, I will focus primarily on that aspect of the Obama Administration's anti-liberty attacks, although the entire Bill of Rights is under attack by Obama. There are several anti-gun measures proposed in the House of Representatives, the most draconian of which are HR45, the Blair Holt Firearms Licensing and Record of Sale act of 2009 and HR 2159, described below. You can look at the entire text of HR 45 Here.
Here are the high points:
-A federal license for all handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently owned.
-All handgun and semiautomatic owners must have their thumbprint taken by law enforcement and the owner's signature on a certificate to the effect that the firearms will be stored in an inaccessible location, essentially where they cannot be readily accessed for self-defense.
But wait - we're only getting started! Next is HR 2159, introduced by a REPUBLICAN!
HR 2159 was introduced by Rep Peter King (R-NY) and is titled The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009. Read the full text HERE.
Here is a summary:
- In a nutshell, HR 2159 enables the Attorney General to designate anyone he desires to be a "Dangerous Terrorist" and deny him or her the right to possess firearms. (Note that the DHS Assessment on "Right Wing Extremism" defines almost anyone as a potential "terrorist," especially veterans.) If you attended a "Tea Party" last month or plan to in the future, you can count on being labeled a "terrorist." But as the TV commercials say, "Wait - there's more!"
HR 45 and 2159 are clearly unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped the Obama Administration from its anti-American activities thus far. Besides, by the time these unconstitutional "laws" were challenged and overturned, they would have been fully implemented, although enforcement might be difficult as we will presently see. Obama and his left-wing cronies are well aware of the unconstitutional nature of their proposed "laws" and are seeking to circumvent the Constitution via international treaty. Obama has recently been bringing pressure on the Senate to ratify the "Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing and Trafficking in Firearms," also known as "The Curb Illicit Small Arms Trafficking (CIFTA) Treaty." This treaty was signed by Bill Clinton in 1997 and mandates a national database of firearms owners and registration of all firearms. This database would be accessible to any other signatory nation to the treaty and would essentially allow the government to confiscate guns from those to whom they were registered.
Obama tells us that ratifying the treaty is "the right thing to do" because 29 other countries have ratified it. But as Lou Dobbs commented in a CNN feature on the treaty, "Those countries don't have a Constitution and a Second Amendment." Dobbs' coverage, by the way, was very pro-gun. The good news is that a number of senators are prepared to fight ratification of this egregious treaty.
Another component of The Bill of Rights that Obama and his cronies are attacking is the First Amendment, which recognizes our right to free speech. Obama is attempting to resurrect the "Fairness Doctrine" and make it permanent. Not only will this shut down his critics like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage and others, but will also severely restrict Internet communication that is critical of government. I never imagined that anything like these proposed unconstitutional laws and actions would occur, but they all took place during
Obama's first 100 days.
I suspect that neither the legislation I have described, nor CIFTA will become law, but the fact is that Obama and the left will never give up trying to deny us our God-given, inalienable rights that are protected by the Constitution. What this means is, as Thomas Jefferson said, "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance." In present-day America we must therefore all be aware of what our enemies are doing and make no mistake, Obama and the left ARE our enemies, just as they are enemies to the Republic and the Constitution.
What can you do? Get out to the "Tea Parties" in your communities. Join the NRA if you haven't already. Be vigilant, be informed and perhaps most important, be vocal! Contact your representatives and let them know your beliefs. (You DO know who they are, don't you?) You don't have to write a letter and mail it - they all can be contacted online and they will respond. I know because I make it a point of contacting my representatives on issues that concern me. Speak in defense of America's values, culture and Christian foundation.
It isn't all bad news, though - there are positive straws in the wind. One is Oath Keepers (http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/) a fast-growing organization of law enforcement and military personnel who, like me, swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. I took that oath when I joined the US Army and swore a similar one when I signed on at the police department where I am a reserve police officer. I did not take an oath to uphold the president, the congress, the governor of my state, the mayor of my city or any other politician. My loyalty is to the Constitution and neither I nor any other police officer of my acquaintance will obey or enforce unconstitutional laws. I suggest that you go to the Oath Keepers web site above and read the "10 Laws We Will Not Enforce" section. I have discussed this with officers in my small department and with officers in adjoining jurisdictions and we are all of a single mind - we are in lock step with Oath Keepers and WILL NOT enforce unconstitutional laws, although this leads to another cause for concern.
Obama probably knows that the majority of serving military and law enforcement personnel apparently will not enforce unconstitutional laws and edicts, and so for some time he has been calling for a national police force that he envisions being as well armed and equipped as the military. Why does Obama want a national police force whose loyalty is to him rather than the Constitution? Go back and study history! The last time something like this took place was Germany in the 1930s, the police force was called the Sturm Abteilung (SA) or just "Brown shirts" and the leader of Germany was a guy named Adolph Hitler. The Brown Shirts were his personal enforcers. Don't think Obama is similar to Hitler in his actions?
Compare the similarities between him and Hitler and see for yourself.
Another positive indicator is the "nullification resolutions" that have been passed by some 25 states as of the time this was written in May 2009. The list of states is growing and it appears that we may be headed for a situation similar to that which led to the Civil War of 1861-65. Nullification resolutions state in essence that if the federal government infringes on the Bill of Rights, especially the 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments, the compact established between the state and the federal government by the Constitution is nullified and the state will secede. Nullification resolutions were passed by all eleven states that eventually became the Confederacy. The modern ones are virtually identical and the governors of several states, including Texas, are openly using the "S" word!
If you are in the military or law enforcement, I urge you to remember your oath to the Constitution and reflect on your willingness to enforce orders that clearly violate that oath. I also encourage you to join Oath Keepers. If you are a gun owner who believes in the Second Amendment, the Bill of Rights and our Constitutional Rule of Law, there are two things you should do: First get a copy of the Constitution and read it, especially the first ten amendments - The Bill of Rights, which you should commit to memory. Second, go to the following web site and learn what it means to be a Three Percenter. Click Here
Finally remember the words of Patrick Henry: "Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me: Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
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I already knew that I was a 3%'r, but there is nothing wrong with proclaiming it once again.
I am a 3%'r, a constitutionalist, an individualist and a lover of American sovereignty, liberty and freedom. That simply makes me a dangerous right-wing extremist, to the rulers of "new america".
So be it.0 -
Concerning his comment about the NRA, I was going to email the author (Charlie) this link to one of the NRA threads here, but couldn't find an email address for him on that site. Anyone?
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=372896
Just to see what he would have to say, of course.
Maybe he is just..........uninformed........as we once were?0 -
The Online Editor is Corey Graff ;
GunDigestOnline@fwmedia.com
This is all I can find in the Digest.0 -
I will put forth the proposition that it is 3% or less that are leading this country down the toilet too. We have a great Constitution and it allows for anyone to participate. I am running for office locally in the 2012 cycle. There is still hope there too. 0 -
As situation worsens the percentage hopefully rise. Maybe more people will start to realize how much they really have to lose. Finally getting through to my kids to wake up and look around at the coming frieght train and get off the tracks and away from the herd.
Highball, hope you continue to hang out, my boys tend to take notice when you post. I like that, means I don't have to smack em up side the head as often.0 -
quote:Originally posted by melkor
It's past Orwells 1984, the 3 percent will be turned in by there children,relatives and friends in the very new future.
resistance is futile
Oborg
Not being a jerk, but honestly what would U be fighting for ? Really ?
1 Civil Rights, just about gone , and not comming back.
2 Constituational freedoms, Lost the right in 1862 , Lost it again 1912-13 Now With 911 and Obama, is all a joke now !
3. The right to own a gun. Only the criminals will have them in 30 years
4. Health Insurance
5. New STATE SECRET POLICE
6. CAP & Trade
7. Haven for parasitic illegals.
8 Homosexuals to marry
9 The right to be pay for more stimulus going to inrernational Banks ?
10. The right to no longer speak your mind, to be censored or castigated for bringing up Global Warming is a SCAM.
11. ALL THE REST !
What are U fighting for , for U will not stop ANY of THIS ! PERIOD !
You guys are like the moderate Socialists leaders and party members, in Soviet Russia , complaining about Lennins Hardcore Communists. Look what happen to all of them. ALL OF THEM [xx(]
It's Over. Either the PEOPLE elect out all our leaders , which is inpossible do to almost all relavent elections being fixed. Or U take on the US Military, Gung HO new Police Tactical teams, and even better the new Brown Shirts which will be the 500000 trash dirtbags put into the new domestic Secret Police. Which ones U going to take a shot at ? [V]
Time to buy property in central or south america. Hang Out with BLONDE HAIRED Nazi granddaughters on the beach. [:)]
With attitudes like yours, it no wonder this country is in the shape it is in!0 -
One is forced to wonder at the motives of the 'melkors' of the world.
Their answer to every ill of the world is to throw up their hands and exclaim ..."It is inevitable ..forgetabotdit..best to just give up and declare defeat"..BEFORE the fight ever begins.
Sure am glad the melkors of the land run for Canada, a couple hundred years ago..else we would NEVER have witnessed the result of a maximum of freedom for the maximum number of people..and the wonderful things they accomplished with that freedom.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
One is forced to wonder at the motives of the 'melkors' of the world.
Their answer to every ill of the world is to throw up their hands and exclaim ..."It is inevitable ..forgetabotdit..best to just give up and declare defeat"..BEFORE the fight ever begins.
Sure am glad the melkors of the land run for Canada, a couple hundred years ago..else we would NEVER have witnessed the result of a maximum of freedom for the maximum number of people..and the wonderful things they accomplished with that freedom.
Maybe it's the old Marine in me, but I say it's best to go down fighting for what is right. I won't have a problem looking God in the eye as long as I didn't tuck tail and run![;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by melkor
How about answering the question . What are U fighting for ?
Then think it thru for just 2 actual minutes, just 2 minutes , not my normal 5 minute request. Then tell me is it really feasable and HOW ! , or just hopeless hope, and nice ideas.. In a world with power brokers that can crush 3 % without a blink, and have the media report it as something good, (IF IT EVEN GET REPORTED) and the drooling slopeheads would just go "duh good thing the Government saved us from the evil right wing extremist Militias, or rascists." U will just end up as amber alerts rounded up by the Police if your lucky, to be taken and inprisoned for a trumped up charge like ricko and spend 25 years thinking about it on the Government dime.
Look what happened to the Black Panthers, Waco, Randy. DEAD [^] and the people see them as BAD and the Government as GOOD. Cause no matter what U will do , U will be just another crazy right wing rascist that will assist the goverment in a total ban on guns , that will be rounded up , by his new 500000 thug inner city trash DOMESTIC Secret Police force NOW IN THE MAKING ! [V]
Your only hope is to kick out EVERYONE in office, and elect HUMANS to replace them. NOT LAWYERS.
Problem is almost all real elections are fixed so once again think it thru for just 2 minutes.
Your underlying grasp of the enormity of the task facing us is correct, as are a number of the foes you have identified and the hurdles out there.
The problem, for me at least, is that there simply ain't any "give-up" in me, nor is the situation hopeless. It will never be "hopeless" as long as one rugged-individualist has a voice and a weapon with which to defend himself and his ideals.
A man stands up for what he believes. He doesn't shirk, or run from a difficult task, even at the peril of his life and liberty.
Simply put, I am not willing to allow them to win. I will not violate my Oath, taken more than once.
I am not willing to concede defeat, nor abdicate my responsibility to future generations and my responsibility to the Republic.
I will keep ringing the alarm bell, attempting to wake up my brother-citizens and staying strong in my resolve to stand up and face the future, regardless of how bleak it may look.
May I suggest that you grow a pair melkor?0 -
I shall not go "belly-up" at the mere mention of the fight. All is not lost as the events continue to snow ball. Nor do I feel an obligation to tell you how I will approach these situations. I have no intentions to tell the class snitch of them. Just rest assured that when the time comes I will stand and be counted among those on the field, not the side lines or in the bleachers. My forefathers blood has been spilled in the building of this country (from the Mayflower till the present and every war in between) and it shall not have been done so in vain. So get your spy glass ready to watch from a distance!
I am a veteran and a former LEO and stand by the oath to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic.
The bell of freedom is sounding and will not be muffled easily.
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quote:Originally posted by melkor
HA ! ONCE AGAIN, ANSWER THE QUESTION !
I don't what ideals and dreams ! WHAT ARE U FIGHTING FOR !
And U took an oath the same one I did, and insurection against the Elected US current marxist, internationalist goverenment wasnt a disclamer in the oath I took. I assume U are a Vet as myself.
Reading comprehension deficiency melkor? I have been posting for years about the things that I stand up for.
In my last post, let the concept of a man's "ideals" sink in for a moment.
The "ideals" of this Republic, boiled down for simplicity's sake, to individual liberty, national sovereignty, and constitutionally limited government.
That enough for a start as to what I'll fight for? Right now, it is a 'cold war' of ideals and philosophies, and yes, I am fighting in that arena also.
Again, if you have principles, integrity and strong beliefs, you would grow a pair. If one does not have those attributes, then one can live on pina colada's and trifle with cheap whores instead.0 -
quote:Originally posted by melkor
Everything U just pointed out we have, so whats the FIGHT all about. We had it just the same as we did 3 years ago. We live in a Republic, and the people voted in a Self Loathing Marxist President. SO it is YOUR DUTY to uphold this , until it can be elected out ! Or are U a selective OATH taker, U just support WHAT U WANT, not the PEOPLE OR REPUBLIC ! !
Once again U havent thought it thru the 5 minutes. Thats because most people do not THINK, they reacte and regurgitate what the have been told or recently come to believe.
it498 I am not familiar with your platform.
zink I suggest U support the REPUBLIC till it is no longer a representative republic, otherwise U are no better than the Weatherman Underground
However , if U say I need a pair of nuts , then I would call U an Oath breaker, worthless self interested revelutionary, no better than the vile but ELECTED BY the PEOPLE of THE REPUBLIC OBAMA himself. NOW THINK ABOUT THAT FOR 5 Minutes befor regurgitating or reacting.
The only smart thing I have heard is 2 things
1 States vote state by state to leave the UNION and Form a new Federal Government with some real inprovements , by actually limiting the Federal government to the boundries of the Constitution. (THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AND BE CRUSHED BY THE FEDS)
2. VOTE OUT ALL current elected officials , even if they are wonderful. Elect common business and blue collar people who are not lawyers. This would teach Politicians a big lesson. (THIS ALSO IS not possible due to election rigging) Limit politicians to 1 term. This is the best option.
Sorry,Melkor, but I no longer support the republic because it no longer represents what the people of the United States desire. They only represent those that line their pockets and that, that gives those in power more absolute power. A recent example would be the recent bailouts. They passed those when 75% of the population did not support them.
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Actually, the only regurgitating I have done, is what I do when I read what you spew.
I now remember why I stopped replying to your stuff quite some time ago.
You have an abject inability to comprehend what is written and to contextualize the things advocated.
Go figure.
Oh, and if in the future you expect to be taken seriously, you might want to learn to spell. It makes you look dumb, really.0 -
I cant help but notice that many of you mention having served in the military. I wonder how many of you encourage family, friends, etc. to serve in the military. And have you thought it through to realize what being a 3%er means (in this case). It means fighting against american soldiers. This may be family or friends or people like you but feel a duty to follow orders. Not to say it hasnt happened before. I'm not saying you should or should'nt feel that way, It just sounds to me that some of you think you would be shooting it out with members of congress or the president himself. Just adding my two cents, not trying to persuade anyone one way or the other. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
I cant help but notice that many of you mention having served in the military. I wonder how many of you encourage family, friends, etc. to serve in the military. And have you thought it through to realize what being a 3%er means (in this case). It means fighting against american soldiers. This may be family or friends or people like you but feel a duty to follow orders. Not to say it hasnt happened before. I'm not saying you should or should'nt feel that way, It just sounds to me that some of you think you would be shooting it out with members of congress or the president himself. Just adding my two cents, not trying to persuade anyone one way or the other.
I am willing to wager more than 40% of our standing military would refuse to obey an order to not uphold the Constitution of the United States. If given such an order it would be an unlawful order. As close as I can remember I swore allegance to the United States, not the president, congress, senate or so forth. I swore to uphold the Constitution and will do so till death. I have ALOT of friends in the military and all that I know have stated that they will not follow such orders. These range from E-5's to O-8's.
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If they came to take our guns it would mean that the constitution was amended, so the orders given to soldiers would not be unconstitutional.
I'm sure there were many German soldiers during WWII that did not agree with what they were doing. How many of them revolted?0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
If they came to take our guns it would mean that the constitution was amended, so the orders given to soldiers would not be unconstitutional.
I'm sure there were many German soldiers during WWII that did not agree with what they were doing. How many of them revolted?
Would it, really?
How about an executive order, or simply federal legislation to ban/confiscate firearms?
Think that can't/won't happen?
No amendment will be required to be passed before such an action is legislated, or ordered.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
If they came to take our guns it would mean that the constitution was amended, so the orders given to soldiers would not be unconstitutional.
I'm sure there were many German soldiers during WWII that did not agree with what they were doing. How many of them revolted?
As written and intended by the founding fathers. Those that have said they would refuse would do so if, or not an amemdment was enacted. I really do think it would start BEFORE it was ammended. And to answeryour question, I will fight, regardless of whom they are.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
If they came to take our guns it would mean that the constitution was amended, so the orders given to soldiers would not be unconstitutional.
I'm sure there were many German soldiers during WWII that did not agree with what they were doing. How many of them revolted?
Would it, really?
How about an executive order, or simply federal legislation to ban/confiscate firearms?
Think that can't/won't happen?
No amendment will be required to be passed before such an action is legislated, or ordered.
Simple federal legislation would not work because it would be unconstitutional. You cant have the constitution saying in one place that you can own a gun and another place saying you cant. The second amendment would have to be removed. An executive order would definitely be quickly overturned by the supreme court.
I know our court system is not perfect but I cant beleive this could happen short of a dictator taking over the country.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
If they came to take our guns it would mean that the constitution was amended, so the orders given to soldiers would not be unconstitutional.
I'm sure there were many German soldiers during WWII that did not agree with what they were doing. How many of them revolted?
Would it, really?
How about an executive order, or simply federal legislation to ban/confiscate firearms?
Think that can't/won't happen?
No amendment will be required to be passed before such an action is legislated, or ordered.
Simple federal legislation would not work because it would be unconstitutional. You cant have the constitution saying in one place that you can own a gun and another place saying you cant. The second amendment would have to be removed. An executive order would definitely be quickly overturned by the supreme court.
I know our court system is not perfect but I cant beleive this could happen short of a dictator taking over the country.
Really?
"Shall not be infringed". Hows is that working out, constitutionally, of course?
'Belief' is a transient and fallible thing.
You really need to study what has already occurred and what is happening some more. No insult intended.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
Simple federal legislation would not work because it would be unconstitutional. You cant have the constitution saying in one place that you can own a gun and another place saying you cant. The second amendment would have to be removed. An executive order would definitely be quickly overturned by the supreme court.
I know our court system is not perfect but I cant beleive this could happen short of a dictator taking over the country.
Seriously? Are you this ignorant? Try this one, the most glaring one, on for size....
(I thought everybody knew this[;)])
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins.
Ever hear of The Federal Reserve? A "private" bank? Whose monopoly money is not backed by gold.silver, but by debt.
In 1913 this piece of legislation (trash) was passed and signed by another piece of trash (Woodrow Wilson) and thus began the "official" control of the banksters over our future which you now see coming to a head.
So, going around the Constitution is quite easy, and is old hat. Remember when Abe Lincoln suspended habeus corpus? Well! You say, "That's un-Constitutional!" Didn't stop him, did it? There are 1000's more....0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
Simple federal legislation would not work because it would be unconstitutional. You cant have the constitution saying in one place that you can own a gun and another place saying you cant. The second amendment would have to be removed. An executive order would definitely be quickly overturned by the supreme court.
I know our court system is not perfect but I cant beleive this could happen short of a dictator taking over the country.
Seriously? Are you this ignorant? Try this one, the most glaring one, on for size....
(I thought everybody knew this[;)])
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins.
Ever hear of The Federal Reserve? A "private" bank? Whose monopoly money is not backed by gold.silver, but by debt.
In 1913 this piece of legislation (trash) was passed and signed by another piece of trash (Woodrow Wilson) and thus began the "official" control of the banksters over our future which you now see coming to a head.
So, going around the Constitution is quite easy, and is old hat. Remember when Abe Lincoln suspended habeus corpus? Well! You say, "That's un-Constitutional!" Didn't stop him, did it? There are 1000's more....
Hit.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
quote:Originally posted by jwl1278
Simple federal legislation would not work because it would be unconstitutional. You cant have the constitution saying in one place that you can own a gun and another place saying you cant. The second amendment would have to be removed. An executive order would definitely be quickly overturned by the supreme court.
I know our court system is not perfect but I cant beleive this could happen short of a dictator taking over the country.
Seriously? Are you this ignorant? Try this one, the most glaring one, on for size....
(I thought everybody knew this[;)])
Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins.
Ever hear of The Federal Reserve? A "private" bank? Whose monopoly money is not backed by gold.silver, but by debt.
In 1913 this piece of legislation (trash) was passed and signed by another piece of trash (Woodrow Wilson) and thus began the "official" control of the banksters over our future which you now see coming to a head.
So, going around the Constitution is quite easy, and is old hat. Remember when Abe Lincoln suspended habeus corpus? Well! You say, "That's un-Constitutional!" Didn't stop him, did it? There are 1000's more....
Some people, no matter how well pointed out, that refuse to realize the obvious. The power brokers in charge can do what they want without OUR approval. Guess MELKOR is one of the 97% with terminal cranium/rectal inversion, he supports the fantasy that our once great country is as free as ever and the republic still stands as founded.
What a shame!0
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