If your answer is "Yes" to fighting,...
How many of you are actually in good enough shape to be worth a damn?
Owning a gun is only part of the equation. Can you hump it and the ammunition to feed it to the fight?
I see a lot of bellies at any gun show I ever go to.
Owning a gun is only part of the equation. Can you hump it and the ammunition to feed it to the fight?
I see a lot of bellies at any gun show I ever go to.
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IMO it really is not that important how old, what shape, etc, that you are in because if you are serious about this and I presume that most of you are then some of these things can be fixed while others may be able to be manipulated or altered and some we are just stuck with, but can be adapted too.
What really matters is what mindset that you all have and if you as individuals can actually be relied upon to do what you say you will do at the moment of truth and only each person can and will answer that question at the appropriate time. No one can think so highly of themselves and their own personal well being to the point of disregarding the welfare of our beloved Constitution and Country because we were scared, didn't want to lose what we have, or thought that we were too old, out of shape etc, as we all have our issues, but just the fact that we are making the effort and taking the time to consider these factors is the first initiative to overcoming them.
Age cant really be fixed nor does it really matter per se, as it can be adapted too while some health problems just are what they are, although everyone has the obligation to eat right, exercise and educate themselves and others and arm and train themselves well and have something extra to possibly supply and arm other like minded and trusted individuals that may be in need.
It is good to see so many of us here and elsewhere ready to heed the call if necessary, to rise up against the beast to do battle and would be an honor to fight along side those that have pledged their allegiance to our beloved Constitution as our Fore Fathers did so long ago.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cwi555
Well isn't that just special.
blah blah blah, puff puff puff,...
I would take 10 such men over 5,000 "physically fit" boys with nothing but sewer water between their ears.
Those kind of men can land anywhere, anytime, under nearly any condition and survive, thrive, and overcome.
I promise you this, 10 such men are far and above more dangerous than those 5000 steroid advertisements. They are the brains behind the operation, the 5000 are the fodder.
quote:Originally posted by chaoslodge
How many of you are actually in good enough shape to be worth a damn?
Owning a gun is only part of the equation. Can you hump it and the ammunition to feed it to the fight?
I see a lot of bellies at any gun show I ever go to.
And I would take 2 of the ones with the knowledge you describe plus the physical conditioning it takes to put that knowledge to use and leave the rest to their fate. If it comes down to survival of the fittest, fit is going to be a holistic metric.
Ever wonder why our elite forces are called Special Forces. They have to think too. How many of them do you see with beer bellies?0 -
Abstract and rational intellegence is a big part of being a good fighter.. That i can vouch for, because I still have a full set of teeth and 8 broken nuckles. 0 -
There is a place for EVERYBODY.
A leader finds that place and puts them there.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
There is a place for EVERYBODY.
A leader finds that place and puts them there.
Agreed.
I will reiterate again that I might not have worded this as well as I would have in the intitial posting. It was aimed at getting people to think about something as simple as a mind/body connection and that keeping oneself in as good a shape as possible is every bit as important as the tools and smarts one has. That some took it so personally speaks volumes but I will leave that alone.0 -
quote:Originally posted by chaoslodge
quote:Originally posted by Highball
There is a place for EVERYBODY.
A leader finds that place and puts them there.
Agreed.
I will reiterate again that I might not have worded this as well as I would have in the intitial posting. It was aimed at getting people to think about something as simple as a mind/body connection and that keeping oneself in as good a shape as possible is every bit as important as the tools and smarts one has. That some took it so personally speaks volumes but I will leave that alone.
chaos, I understand not saying what you meant, though your words were poorly chosen. At first took offense to them, but through further clarification, I am fine with them. All I request is to realize there is a function for everyone. From cooking to fighting there are MANY, MANY rolls to be filled. What we are pointing out is that experiance has its uses> Did you ever see the movie "The Postman"? What "things" did the Vietnam vet know?
NO HARM, NO FOUL!
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quote:Originally posted by chaoslodge
quote:Originally posted by cwi555
Well isn't that just special.
blah blah blah, puff puff puff,...
I would take 10 such men over 5,000 "physically fit" boys with nothing but sewer water between their ears.
Those kind of men can land anywhere, anytime, under nearly any condition and survive, thrive, and overcome.
I promise you this, 10 such men are far and above more dangerous than those 5000 steroid advertisements. They are the brains behind the operation, the 5000 are the fodder.
quote:Originally posted by chaoslodge
How many of you are actually in good enough shape to be worth a damn?
Owning a gun is only part of the equation. Can you hump it and the ammunition to feed it to the fight?
I see a lot of bellies at any gun show I ever go to.
And I would take 2 of the ones with the knowledge you describe plus the physical conditioning it takes to put that knowledge to use and leave the rest to their fate. If it comes down to survival of the fittest, fit is going to be a holistic metric.
Ever wonder why our elite forces are called Special Forces. They have to think too. How many of them do you see with beer bellies?
I am aware of the "special forces". Yes they do have to think.
The key words are If it comes down to survival of the fittest
Fit will not be a holistic metric unless it is referring to fitness of mind and spirit. Do you think even half of the great minds and leaders of the last 10 centuries were "physically fit"?
No they were not. Argue what you will, I know I am right.
For that matter, do you think the Generals, Admirals, Presidents etc who are giving the orders to the "special forces" could run jump and play as the current SF soldiers do? Not likely, but they are the brains behind the operation.
Years down the road, when the military career is over, and those guys have a beer belly, they still have their mind if they haven't pickled it. It is the force of mind that makes them formidable. Everything else is just a tool.
One thing that is clear to me, your continued attempts at defending an indefensible position is proving my point for me.0 -
chaos i resemble that remark about the bellys, but i could could probably stand toe to toe with anyone my age, i can stalk to within bow range of whitetail bucks and turkeys so i think i could hold my own in a battle situation 0 -
I never really got how the 2nd amendment is possible to play out as intended. lets say the worst happens if every gun owner in america owened an m16 we are still no match for appache gunship helicopters! so no matter how many guns you have or how in shape you are the state is always way stronger. please enlighten me this question has been on my mind a while 0 -
quote:Originally posted by eric55
I never really got how the 2nd amendment is possible to play out as intended. lets say the worst happens if every gun owner in america owened an m16 we are still no match for appache gunship helicopters! so no matter how many guns you have or how in shape you are the state is always way stronger. please enlighten me this question has been on my mind a while
Well we could all throw our hands up and surrender! I forgot about how much LIBERATED stuff was used against us in WWII, Korea, Vietnam and that that is presently used against us now. If I recall I don't see too many Taliban giving up, and what weapons are they using? Ballistics and the use of explosives made of household chemicals in the right proportions are amazing in what they become.0 -
quote:Originally posted by chaoslodgeI will say that allowing one's self to become overweight and out of shape is as unpatriotic as sending the Brady campaign a check. Fat people are useless in the struggle that is coming, except as cannon fodder.
I have to hope you are kidding. I am 6'2" and weigh 280 lbs - 50 pounds more than I weighed when I was in the 82nd. I am "overweight". But I also know how to live off the land. I was an Army Ranger for 18 months, a Pathfinder for a year and was in the 82nd for 3 years not to mention my time as grunt in Korea. I am a veteran of both Operation Just (be)Cause and Operation Desert Storm. I hike for a hobby and can still hump 20 miles a day with ~50 pounds. I am 45 years old and I know how to fight - both with tactical weapons and bare-handed.
You really need to get yourself a narrower brush before you start painting again. You may be able to outrun me but any militia group would benefit from my experience and capacity.
You just called me unpatriotic and I do not appreciate it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by eric55
I never really got how the 2nd amendment is possible to play out as intended. lets say the worst happens if every gun owner in america owened an m16 we are still no match for appache gunship helicopters! so no matter how many guns you have or how in shape you are the state is always way stronger. please enlighten me this question has been on my mind a while
If you just look at how much damage the ragg heads have done you can just think what trained people could do. I am not real sure the US Military will fight us. ('[:)]') SGM ('[:)]')0 -
quote:Originally posted by eric55
I never really got how the 2nd amendment is possible to play out as intended. lets say the worst happens if every gun owner in america owened an m16 we are still no match for appache gunship helicopters! so no matter how many guns you have or how in shape you are the state is always way stronger. please enlighten me this question has been on my mind a while
Many examples of major armies not being able to overcome a gurilla/militia forces. You think the British really expected to lose our war for independance? The Soviets were sure they would march into Afganistan and crush (I think it was still) the Taliban. In Vietnam, we had superior firepower but still could not "win". These are just recent history examples.0 -
quote:Originally posted by eric55
I never really got how the 2nd amendment is possible to play out as intended. lets say the worst happens if every gun owner in america owened an m16 we are still no match for appache gunship helicopters! so no matter how many guns you have or how in shape you are the state is always way stronger. please enlighten me this question has been on my mind a while
It's not about M16s or AH-64s.
The biggest concern would not be the weapon in the man's hands, but what lies between his ears and what is in his heart.
IMO, an individual armed with a 30-30 lever action who is fighting for his liberty and that of his family's, represents a formidable opponent.
King George and Lord Cornwallis didn't think too much of the small group of rag-tag peasants they faced 200+ years ago either, yet they got their asses handed to them because that small group yearned for liberty, and preferred to be dead free men than living slaves.0 -
Belly and all and 54 but one dam good shot, I gun never asked hey bro can you pass the test. I have been shooting since I was 9 years old and can hunker down on a hill in a fox hole as good as the next guy.
I'm not running 300 yards though but some one needs to keep and hold positions anyway.
there's no such thing as to much ammo. If H.R. 2159 goes through will you be allowed to buy guns legally? Better wake up folks the Government is on its way to your door!0
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