[b]DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Rem
DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers
The Shootist
March 16, 2009
AND SO IT BEGINS.
We all wondered when it was going to start.
When the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners. Oh, everyone got upset about HR45-I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress.
I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top-it would never get out of committee.
Tom said save your energy for when we really need it-don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere.
Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (www.georgia-arms.com), on Gun Talk (www.guntalk.com)-and Tom agrees, now is the time to ".unleash the hounds." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen.
Now it has come clear.now we know what they intend to do.
It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns-they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.
Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.
Think we jest?
Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening-effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
March 12, 2009
Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180
Re: Event 7084-6200:
Dear Larry Haynie,
Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.
If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.
Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.
Sincerely,
Government Liquidation.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD-actually from Government Liquidators, llc.-the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.
Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.
Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.
"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.
He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation-laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.
Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money-reducing the worth of the brass some 80%-from casings, to shredded bulk brass.
He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.
Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.
He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.
You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future-with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.
Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.
Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club.
What can you do?
Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in www.congress.org.
When you reach that site, type in your zip code-it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages.
Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to www.senate.gov and www.house.gov. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.
Here is a letter I just sent to Representative Bill Cassidy, Congressman from the 6th District of Louisiana, and Senator David Vitter of Louisiana. I will be sending it to every member of our congressional delegation. Feel free to copy it and paste in your own e-mail, sending it to your legislators.
We have to stop this now!
The Honorable Bill Cassidy
Member of Congress from Louisiana
Dear Congressman Cassidy:
It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.
You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.
Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way.
By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply.
Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition.
In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.
With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market.
Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition.
Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs.
Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country-if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs-and this is obviously the intent.
Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.
Sincerely,
Gordon Hutchinson
Author "The Great New Orleans Gun Grab"
Firearms Columnist for Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Mississippi Sportsman magazines.
The Shootist
March 16, 2009
AND SO IT BEGINS.
We all wondered when it was going to start.
When the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners. Oh, everyone got upset about HR45-I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress.
I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top-it would never get out of committee.
Tom said save your energy for when we really need it-don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere.
Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (www.georgia-arms.com), on Gun Talk (www.guntalk.com)-and Tom agrees, now is the time to ".unleash the hounds." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen.
Now it has come clear.now we know what they intend to do.
It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns-they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.
Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.
Think we jest?
Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening-effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:
Dear Valued Customer:
Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:
Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.
Thank you,
DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
March 12, 2009
Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180
Re: Event 7084-6200:
Dear Larry Haynie,
Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.
If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.
Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.
Sincerely,
Government Liquidation.
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD-actually from Government Liquidators, llc.-the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.
Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.
Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.
"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.
He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation-laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.
Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money-reducing the worth of the brass some 80%-from casings, to shredded bulk brass.
He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.
Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.
He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.
You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future-with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.
Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.
Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club.
What can you do?
Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in www.congress.org.
When you reach that site, type in your zip code-it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages.
Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to www.senate.gov and www.house.gov. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.
Here is a letter I just sent to Representative Bill Cassidy, Congressman from the 6th District of Louisiana, and Senator David Vitter of Louisiana. I will be sending it to every member of our congressional delegation. Feel free to copy it and paste in your own e-mail, sending it to your legislators.
We have to stop this now!
The Honorable Bill Cassidy
Member of Congress from Louisiana
Dear Congressman Cassidy:
It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.
You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.
Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way.
By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply.
Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition.
In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.
With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market.
Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition.
Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs.
Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country-if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs-and this is obviously the intent.
Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.
Sincerely,
Gordon Hutchinson
Author "The Great New Orleans Gun Grab"
Firearms Columnist for Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Mississippi Sportsman magazines.
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Go to their website. (Georgia Arms)
"Dear Loyal Customers,
Thanks to your voice, DOD has rescinded the order to mutilate all spent cases as of 4:30 pm on 3/17/09. We appreciate the time and effort that you expended, together we all made a difference. We will be posting the email we received from DOD as well as any additional information within the next 12-16 hours. Thanks so much and lets get to work!!!
Georgia Arms"
http://georgia-arms.com/0 -
hmmm wow, if this is true then thats surprising how easy it was to overturn that decision. especially considering how that would have been for the government to be able to cut off the flow of brass to civilians 0 -
The Government stockpile can't last forever. All ammo manufacturers need to get together and refuse to sell any ammo to the federal government. When the government decides to quit harassing gun and ammo manufacturers and owners then begin selling ammo to them again. 0 -
This situation has been rectified in the favor of gun owners, and it was True Blue democrats who kept it from happening, a little hope yet, it was because of folks just like us sending mail to there representitives that saw to this being stopped.. [:)][:)][:)][:)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by wittynbear
The Government stockpile can't last forever. All ammo manufacturers need to get together and refuse to sell any ammo to the federal government. When the government decides to quit harassing gun and ammo manufacturers and owners then begin selling ammo to them again.
didnt a manufacturer of guns do that at one point somewhere with great success, was it in Cali? and remington? im not sure anyone know?0 -
and why do you all think manufacturers would even think of doing something like that? they are in business to make money, not support political causes. 0 -
didnt a manufacturer of guns do that at one point somewhere with great success, was it in Cali? and remington? im not sure anyone know?
therock,
I believe you are referring to Ronnie Barrett, creator of the iconic Model 82 .50. When California passed a ban on ownership of rifles chmbered for the .50 BMG cartridge, Mr. Barrett took a stand, and refused to sell any of his products to LE agencies in Cali, or service any existing Barrett products they possessed.
Basically, he rubbed their nose in the Constitution and advised them to go engage in sexual intercourse with themselves.[;)][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by pickenup
Go to their website. (Georgia Arms)
"Dear Loyal Customers,
Thanks to your voice, DOD has rescinded the order to mutilate all spent cases as of 4:30 pm on 3/17/09. We appreciate the time and effort that you expended, together we all made a difference. We will be posting the email we received from DOD as well as any additional information within the next 12-16 hours. Thanks so much and lets get to work!!!
Georgia Arms"
http://georgia-arms.com/
Man! This is the first I've heard of this. I'm truly amazed. It almost leads one to believe that we can make our voices loud enough to be heard.
Let's hope we can be as vociferous when Pelosi's Pukes realize that the only way they will be able to effectively screw us is by the usual method - pass an 1100 page bill that nobody reads prior to voting on it.0 -
One of the gun manufactures that put it to Cali was Glock. Glock refused to submit to Cali's latest round of useless "Safety" testing. They basically told Cali that if they had to submit to such costly testing, then they would simply stop doing business with california. To include stopping ALL Glock sales, (to include parts), to California. Since the majority of Ca. Law Enforcement had Glocks, California gave Glock a pass. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
One of the gun manufactures that put it to Cali was Glock. Glock refused to submit to Cali's latest round of useless "Safety" testing. They basically told Cali that if they had to submit to such costly testing, then they would simply stop doing business with california. To include stopping ALL Glock sales, (to include parts), to California. Since the majority of Ca. Law Enforcement had Glocks, California gave Glock a pass.
hearsay, or rather utter bs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
didnt a manufacturer of guns do that at one point somewhere with great success, was it in Cali? and remington? im not sure anyone know?
therock,
I believe you are referring to Ronnie Barrett, creator of the iconic Model 82 .50. When California passed a ban on ownership of rifles chmbered for the .50 BMG cartridge, Mr. Barrett took a stand, and refused to sell any of his products to LE agencies in Cali, or service any existing Barrett products they possessed.
Basically, he rubbed their nose in the Constitution and advised them to go engage in sexual intercourse with themselves.[;)][:D]
Does anyone has any proof of this? I have not been able to confirm this at any reputable source. The only reference I could find was Barrett's 2003 letter to some CA state senator.
Besides, manufacturer's usually have a number of distributors, do you honestly believe that manufacturers have any control over how and to whom their products are sold? Barrett, according to their website, distributes via RSR group. I could not locate any information on either website to confirm Barrett's .50BMG unavailability to CA law enforcement agencies.
I find it amusing, in a way, how most of you, if not all, conveniently ignore logic and reality over some make-belief feelgood fairy tails. (Whiny Wendies don't take this too personally.)0 -
My congressman are mostly Dems, I bitched hard when I heard about that garbage. Hammered Peter DeFazio with several letters in several days. 0 -
I should thank Mr. Battet for his dedication to us, I would like to by one of his rifles,but how do I break it to my wife? 0 -
i thnk th policw were also yhe smallest client of barret between mil. and civiian sales 0
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