NRA had the balls to call me tonight....
I laughed when they asked for the dues.....
I told the guy I belong to a real Gun Rights Organization that will fight for the second amendment.....unlike the NRA!
The guy asked what the name was.
I told him "Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass"
and where he can learn and read about it.
He was speachless and then hung up.
Is everyone prepared to stand their ground when the new government outlaws your grandfather's Winchester or your uncle's AR-15 ????
I don't care what happens but my sidearm is a part of my skin and there is no way I am giving that up !
I told the guy I belong to a real Gun Rights Organization that will fight for the second amendment.....unlike the NRA!
The guy asked what the name was.
I told him "Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass"
and where he can learn and read about it.
He was speachless and then hung up.
Is everyone prepared to stand their ground when the new government outlaws your grandfather's Winchester or your uncle's AR-15 ????
I don't care what happens but my sidearm is a part of my skin and there is no way I am giving that up !
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I too received a call from the NRA tonight. Telling me that my membership had expired. I said yes I know. It has been for over 10 years. That kind of threw her off. *L* Anyway. I told her I had no intention of renewing anything. I needed to save my money to buy more ammo and reloading supplies. She still wouldn't hush so I hung up. 0 -
quote:DO SOMETHING OR STFU!
Sorry..you don't get to lie, cheat, and steal anymore without it being pointed out.
Tough world, ain't it...you boys had it your own way for a loooong time...but that time is drawing to a close.
Seems there is panic setting in...among the lying, back-stabbing compromising, weak-kneed Quislings that have bartered away our Rights.0 -
TR I for one would like to see the acompolishments of a few of these individuals. For myself, I feel the urge to brag a bit. I was financialy able to retire comfortably by 55. I spent 4 years on my local school board and acompolished exactly what I set out to do in 3 years. After my term on the school board I spent another 5 years attending their meetings and writing an article for the local newspaper on the school systems activities. I spent 5 years on the board of a local not for profit day care center. I was their president when we bought property and built a new building. We did this with no capital and a little creative financing. The day care center is still alive and well today. I managed to stay married for 33 years. Raised 3 daughters to be self sufficient citizens. This includes my oldest who I, when she was 14, was sure would not surive her own self destructive behavior to 18. I have been an NRA member since before I can remember and am proud of it. I call my elected officials when I disagree with them as well as when I agree with them. I am a landlord and own and maintain enough rental property to maintain a reasonably comfortable life style. I was active with an Antique auto club for years and was their president for 4 years and on the board of directors for 4 years. This is the first time I ever wrote all this down. I did not realize how much I have actually done in my life so far. And I am far from done. I do not consider the time I spend on line to be all that important or impressive. I rest my case. 0 -
Trfaux tossed this gauntlet down...quote:Why don't JUST ONCE you posers tell us what you have actually done in the REAL WORLD? Hell, a kindergarten kid could do what you asses have done. Poster and pose on the internet.
DO SOMETHING OR STFU! Lord of Slums, an NRA friendly, Trfaux friendly, "staunch Second Amendment supporter" replies with...quote:I have been an NRA member since before I can remember and am proud of it. I call my elected officials when I disagree with them as well as when I agree with them. Out of that whole "look at me" dissertation, this is all you can list in the "NRA Style" holy war against gun control????
Impressive.[8)]
How about you step up and 'blaze a path' for we mere mortals to follow tr???
You can do this by listing all your "claimed" (after all, this IS the internet) accomplishments in the "NRA Holy War" against gun control, in the "Wayne "Iscariot" La Pee Air Brigade".
I'd love to hear what you "pose" and "posture", whilst you "pound your NRA issued keyboard" in righteous indignation, accusing those who stand on the founding principals and the Constitution of "pounding on their keyboard in internet commando-style", "posturing" and "posing" on the internet.
Don't disappoint us now trfaux. You are big on making demands of others and in asking questions whilst demanding answers. In stepping up and setting the example you demand of others, or in answering such questions yourself.....not so much.
Can't wait to see your reply though.[:)][8)][8)]0 -
I call my elected officials when I disagree with them
Slum,
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but 99.9% of elected officials do not give a rat's ass about what the people think.
You call, write, or email, stating your discontent with them. They respond with some 'warm-fuzzy', 'feel-good' bullschit designed to ease your troubled mind, then hang up the phone or hit the 'send' button, laugh, and think to themselves, 'What a sucker.'
There is but one thing, and one thing only, that will convince the majority of our elected officials to listen and adhere to the Constitution; when they come to the realization that the power resides with whom it rightfully belongs; the people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Bye, traitor.[:(!]
So Does My participation in NRA sanctioned Bullseye competition make me a Traitor??
There are 1000's of people that don't like the direction the NRA has taken itself over the yrs and choose to participate in their sanctioned events. myself included
Are you call'in them Traitors
I don't see you or anyone else for that matter sanctioning these events.
I DARE you to show up at a Bullseye match and call each and every shooter there a TRAITOR and you will see weather or not those people truly believe in their RTKBR
If you make it out of there alive I will be damned surprised0 -
quote:Originally posted by Odawgp
So Does My participation in NRA sanctioned Bullseye competition make me a Traitor??
There are 1000's of people that don't like the direction the NRA has taken itself over the yrs and choose to participate in their sanctioned events. myself included
Are you call'in them Traitors
I don't see you or anyone else for that matter sanctioning these events.
I DARE you to show up at a Bullseye match and call each and every shooter there a TRAITOR and you will see weather or not those people truly believe in their RTKBR
If you make it out of there alive I will be damned surprised
I hate it when these discussions get out of hand like this. As you may know, WS and TR have quite a history...nuff said about that.
The range of which I am a member is a strong NRA supporter. In fact dues to the range are discounted for NRA members greater than the cost of a year's NRA membership. I pay full price.
My objections to the NRA are only that they pretend to be a strong 2nd Amendment Rights Organization when they are actually a good shooting sports and self-defence-through-firearms advocacy group.
In doing so, they are participating in the re-definition of why we have a 2nd Amendment and dismiss the fact that the RTKBA exists to protect the security of our freedom not from bambi, targets, clay pigeons or even criminals, but from a government, any government, that would take those freedoms away.
To this end, the NRA supports Permission to Carry laws rather than the elimination of the entire permitting process. To this end, the NRA supports laws that further cement the Government's (local and Federal) powers to regulate and register firearms, license owners etc. It is couched in compromise, and in the concept that it is the best we can do, but it is, without doubt, support of policies and legislation that are not only unconstitutional but are better defined as anti-Constitutional.
Traitor is a specific term that historically only applies in times of war, and when viewed in that light is probably over the top. Promoting an agenda and owning a track record that is contrary to our Constitution when crowing from the roof-tops that your mission is the preservation of the 2nd Amendment is simply wrong.
Again, I quote Cam Edwards of NRA Radio's favorite phrase:
'Right to Carry Permit Holder'
It may be simple ignorance of what the word 'right' actually means. That, however, is a whole lot of ignorance and it simply forces one to consider something deeper. That something deeper is the selling out of the cause, the selling out of an individual right which does not and can not exist with registration, regulation, and licensing.
I personally think Cam Edwards and the NRA leadership know what a right is and know what infringed means, which forces one to accept the fact they are selling out that which they strongly profess to support.
This does, however force a question, a reasonable question, which is:
At what point and under what conditions does a sell-out become a traitor?0 -
I don't think anyone who chooses to participate in NRA sanctioned events would be considered a traitor. However, being an NRA sycophant, worshipping at the alter of Wayne La pee air, supporting a watered down version of the bill of rights, and peddling that as "the best you can do" is what gets some folks branded "traitor". The NRA has a long, sad history of compromising the founders intent of the second amendment, and supporting gun grabbing initiatives that have gone through the political system. That why we view them as treasonous tramps not deserving the adulation they get from some people. 0 -
So Does My participation in NRA sanctioned Bullseye competition make me a Traitor??
There are 1000's of people that don't like the direction the NRA has taken itself over the yrs and choose to participate in their sanctioned events. myself included
Are you call'in them Traitors
I don't see you or anyone else for that matter sanctioning these events.
I DARE you to show up at a Bullseye match and call each and every shooter there a TRAITOR and you will see weather or not those people truly believe in their RTKBR
If you make it out of there alive I will be damned surprised
Odawgp,
Easy, killer. No, I am neither referring to you nor the other folks who shoot Bullseye as 'traitors'. My comments were directed at an individual on here who has difficulties in understanding the meaning of 'shall not be infringed'.
I in no way, shape, or form intended to denigrate you by lumping you in with those I attacked, and I apologize if you found yourself within the bursting radius of the grenade I threw. You were not the intended target.
As far as I know, and until proven otherwise, you stand firm on the RTKBA and have a clear understanding of what it means.0 -
originally posted by Don McManus:
This does, however force a question, a reasonable question, which is:
At what point and under what conditions does a sell-out become a traitor?
Don,
Good question. I will explain my reasoning behind using that particular term.
I am a simple, and as such, it is in my nature to keep things simple. 'Shall not be infringed' is unambiguous; it's simple. I believe an individual, organization, or entity, with regard to the Constitution, either 1) stands for it, or 2) stands against it. There is no middle ground. If said individual, organization, or entity knows what is right, yet does what is wrong, then in my eyes, they fall under #2; they stand against the Constitution. That goes for TR, Rau, the NRA, and most of the folks in D.C.
In matters concerning individual liberty, for one to know the truth, yet advocate the opposite, makes one an enemy of the Constitution. To me, that is the epitome of a traitor.0 -
I might be out of line here since i'm a noob, but I'd rather have the NRA behind me concerning gun control issues, than no one at all.
I do not belong to them however. If they were truly a gun rights organization, they wouldn't charge for membership.0 -
but I'd rather have the NRA behind me concerning gun control issues, than no one at all.
I'll pass.
I'd take just one American who stands firm on individual liberty, rather than the entire leadership of the NRA.
I can count on that one American to watch my back; the NRA would just stab it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ryanek9freak
I might be out of line here since i'm a noob, but I'd rather have the NRA behind me concerning gun control issues, than no one at all.
I do not belong to them however. If they were truly a gun rights organization, they wouldn't charge for membership.
ryanek9freak:
Pickenup, one of our moderators, compiled an excellent listing of NRA positions that may cause you to re-consider your first statement. Hopefully someone will link to it for you.
Many, myself included, would be a little nervous having the NRA behind them if things became difficult. The NRA has fragged the 2nd Amendment on more than one occasion, and it would a major distraction having to continue looking over one's shoulder.
I entered this arena a number of years ago with a similar attitude, but have changed my mind completely. You will find members that agree with and those that disagree, but you owe it to yourself to dig a little deeper.
Welcome to the forum, BTW.
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I do stand for the Constitution. I agree with you 100%. You either abide by it's rules, or you're a traitor, plain and simple.
Every single one of the 20,000 plus gun laws on the books is unconstituional, and I would like to see them all repealed.
As a matter of fact, republicans and democrats alike have been raping the sacrosanct document for as long as I can remember, and it's making me sick. I've been predicting another Civil War in this country. Watch and see if it doesn't happen.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Some of this stuff is so funny it could go directly into being a weekly comedy television show. No professional writers needed, only reality.
Are you still here?
You know tr, I'm finished with you. I am finished trying to reason with you, Rau, and others. You either accept the Constitution or you do not. Period. I have tried to be diplomatic, and reason with you and others. You still do not get it, because you do not want to get it.
So be it. I will not sugar-coat it anymore, and I will not be diplomatic.
If you stand against the Constitution, any part of it, you are nothing more than a traitor.
This lay-down, compromising mentality has got us into the schithole we are in today, and I blame folks like you for being part of it. Liberty is on the chopping block, and you and others on here are helping to bear the axe.
So many asses here are so big, bold and tough when it comes to internet posting But so WEAK when it comes to actually going out into the world and actually CONFRONTING that horrible 'BEAST' that Highbail constantly makes mention of.
Why don't JUST ONCE you posers tell us what you have actually done in the REAL WORLD? Hell, a kindergarten kid could do what you asses have done. Poster and pose on the internet.
DO SOMETHING OR STFU!
Hey TR Fox, when are you gonna answer the questions I posted for you previously?
What's the deal here? I have never insulted you or talked trash to you, but you refuse to reply to these points. Will insulting or trashing you get a reply? I have reposted them again in the form of qoutes from the threads originally posted.
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 12:35:36 AM
What has NRA done recently or even not recently to further RKBA, please be specific.
How come NRA supporters are not bragging about their latest victory?
If you are not willing to give up RKBA then why always compromise.
Why not spend some of that member money on hard hitting public education programs instead of giving to backstabbing political campaigners?
When was the last time Wayne made a stink @ politicians fundraiser instead of kissing azz?
When was last time 1000 NRA members showed up @ state capital to tell governor if he signs newest bill he will not be re-elected?
if your not armed, you are a victim
Edited by - buffalobo on 02/24/2009 12:36:30 AM
quote:Posted - 02/24/2009 : 7:28:27 PM
Sammash, Support them at the local level, start your own organization, most legal issues if needed can often be handled pro bono by local attorney etc. and all funds can be directed to local groups you or members support. I regularly squeeze fellow members of my gun range for ammo and transport costs for our local Boy Scout troop and they always pony up generously.
TR Fox, come on man you and I have had similar topic discussion before, I specifically listed why not support compromise minded organizations, please list why anyone should and answer questions. I answered yours in previous threads. Hell I would think good answers would gain members for your organization.
I also will state that NRA does good things in area of training, safety, and even some certifications, BUT when it comes to RKBA and politics NRA SUX
if your not armed, you are a victim
If you look at the thread these were taken from others were also calling for you to answer. You never did reply. Care to take a stab at it now? You call others to state what they are doing or back up their statments. When will you back yours and your organization?0 -
Kevin, when called out, the fox returns to his normal "state" (snake) and slithers off to other threds tp preach his false doctrine. He will not reply to your questions.
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=287342
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=263795
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2922030 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
Kevin, when called out, the fox returns to his normal "state" (snake) and slithers off to other threds tp preach his false doctrine. He will not reply to your questions.
as for ryanfreak, here ya go... thanks again to pickenup...
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=287342
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=263795
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=292203
I know but I like to poke at him anyway. Rednecks like to ask people the questions they will not answer, especially in front of their friends or wives. Embarassing toads brings me great pleasure.0 -
Thank you JP, I will read them in depth when I get home 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ryanek9freak
Thank you JP, I will read them in depth when I get home
And a few more for you.
http://nrawol.net/
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=3247
http://www.notgovernmentapproved.com/mt-nratrojanhorse.html0 -
quote:Originally posted by ryanek9freak
Thank you JP, I will read them in depth when I get home
Thank pickenup, he did all the work, I just have it saved fro times like this.
Picken, you da man!0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Don,
Good question. I will explain my reasoning behind using that particular term.
I am a simple, and as such, it is in my nature to keep things simple. 'Shall not be infringed' is unambiguous; it's simple. I believe an individual, organization, or entity, with regard to the Constitution, either 1) stands for it, or 2) stands against it. There is no middle ground. If said individual, organization, or entity knows what is right, yet does what is wrong, then in my eyes, they fall under #2; they stand against the Constitution. That goes for TR, Rau, the NRA, and most of the folks in D.C.
In matters concerning individual liberty, for one to know the truth, yet advocate the opposite, makes one an enemy of the Constitution. To me, that is the epitome of a traitor.[/blue]
Shane:
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
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Shane:
I understand and agree with you, particularly '...knows what is right, yet does what is wrong...'. As you have seen, I tend to be less blunt, and will extend the benefit of the doubt perhaps longer than I should. It also probably takes me longer than most to finally reach the point where I know there is a deliberate decision being made to circumvent the 2nd through protestations of support.
It is, however, those that speak bluntly and simply that reach deeper into a man's conscience, and you and those who speak like you are needed now more than ever. It is only a strong man that will take the shot and consider why there is such passion behind it, and many times it takes that kind of a shot to reach him, the very type of man we need to reach.
All the best,
Don
Don,
I do have a predisposition to telling it like it is and keeping things 'matter of fact', however, there are times when I envy your eloquence. Having the ability to tell someone to go to hell, and have them looking forward to the journey, is an invaluable attribute.
Whichever method is used, what ultimately matters is that folks are provoked to thought.
All the best to you as well, my friend. You are an asset to both these forums, and above that, the cause of liberty[;)]0 -
quote:Having the ability to tell someone to go to hell, and have them looking forward to the journey,
That is the best I've heard Don's "way", described. Very good Shane, very good. Nailed it!0 -
Thanks jp.[;)]
The man (Don) has a way with words, and IMO, it borders on being an art form.
There's a few others on here within a well-known 'brotherhood' that have the same talent.[;)][:D]0 -
Envy is one of the curses of the deevil..but I am just a man...and I envy the eloquence of Don and Jeff.
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]0 -
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
Heh heh[:D]
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quote:Originally posted by Highball
Envy is one of the curses of the deevil..but I am just a man...and I envy the eloquence of Don and Jeff.
When I get done with the scene, it looks like the chainsaw massacre..blood dripping off the ceilings..Jeff and Don, now..they are smiling as their victims nod..unaware their throat has been cut from ear to ear...[:D][:D]
A brutal, bloody slaughter of a collectivist idea, brought to us by "freedom's old warhorse", is a grand thing to see at times Highball.
If I am the Jeff you speak of Highball, I simply don't hold a candle to the calm, thoughtful, reasoned approach of Don.
I may have a way with words, at times, but I often enjoy the rubbing of salt into what wounds that I create. Actually, I enjoy it far too much to be in Don's league, he is a gentleman.
I thrive on the riposte, the surgical cut, the well-aimed slash and the dismantling of straw-men and superfluous rhetoric.
I am simply flawed in this area, admittedly so.
Mayhap I am the "middle ground" between your style and that of Don. I share that middle ground with some fine company though.[;)]
The styles and methods we all bring to the table, are a complement to one another. It is a rare collectivist, anti-Constitutionalist, or gun-prohibitionist that makes it through the Gauntlet of the Order of The Brethren of The Canary Ass.[:)]0 -
Perhaps these induvidualistic representations can be of some use gentlemen(and I use that term loosly. 0
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